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Tom_The_Bikeman
01-22-05, 02:39 AM
A Bellvue Pastor got pushed off his bike training for the STP (Seattle to Portland) and sued the people who pushed him off (from a car), winning his court case.

More here

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002157766_pastor22m.html

ride carefully,
Tom

royalflash
01-22-05, 03:28 AM
nice one - I knew that forgiveness stuff is very overrated -- sue the cr@p out of them - thats the only way to make them think twice

mirona
01-22-05, 05:35 AM
Hahaha. Finally, there's a penalty for raising stupid children!

In addition to the money, I would have asked to have the teens' faces rubbed in a pile of various animal feces. But that's just me.

MattP.
01-22-05, 01:30 PM
holy cow, he really got hurt :(

Stupid teenagers think they own the world :(

Crazy Cyclist
01-22-05, 01:47 PM
What about the parents? They should have been sued as well for being poor parents. I bet the parents are just as stupid as the kids are. That's the problem with society these days, people bring kids into the world and then they don't want to raise them properly, in my opinion this is neglect.

glowingrod
01-22-05, 04:04 PM
Usually in a suit like this one, in the states anyway the plaintiffs attorney is careful to name all parties involved as defendents. Probably in this case the parents ,kids, carowner and insurance company if he had to sue for their refusal to pay a claim he felt was legitimate.

LittleBigMan
01-22-05, 04:45 PM
I had three teenagers punch me off my bike in August, 2001. I told the policewoman on the scene that I would have forgiven them if they had only come back (they ran.) I went to the hospital in an ambulance.

I do forgive them, even today. But forgiveness does not mean there are no consequences to an action. Consequences can teach.

RegularGuy
01-22-05, 06:13 PM
I do forgive them, even today. But forgiveness does not mean there are no consequences to an action. Consequences can teach.

Amen, brother.

GeezerGeek
01-23-05, 06:24 AM
I do forgive them, even today. But forgiveness does not mean there are no consequences to an action. Consequences can teach. Yes it does! That is exactly what forgiveness means. Read definition #2.

"WordNet (r) 2.0"
forgiveness
n 1: compassionate feelings that support a willingness to forgive
2: the act of excusing a mistake or offense [syn: pardon]

I hate when the dictionary uses a word to define itself.

Daily Commute
01-23-05, 06:46 AM
But forgiveness can (and should) come AFTER the consequences.

And to the people who want the parents to pay, they will. The settlement was with the families of the kids.

GeezerGeek
01-23-05, 09:10 AM
But forgiveness can (and should) come AFTER the consequences.

And to the people who want the parents to pay, they will. The settlement was with the families of the kids.
Sorry, but a $710,000 settlement would take me a lifetime to pay off. There will be no time for forgiveness. You can forgive or you can make them pay but you cannot have it both ways.

rule
01-23-05, 09:35 AM
Sure you can...I forgive you. Now pay up. ;)

slvoid
01-23-05, 09:47 AM
The article says the parents of the boy paid $60,000 (ouch). Insurance from both parties took care of the $710,000.
In my opinion, that amount sounds right. Not easy forking over $60,000 in non-insurance money for most families, I hope this teaches them a lesson.
I personally would've had them tried as adults.

Ganesha
01-23-05, 11:46 AM
Funny thing is, from the article, it sounds like this all could have been avoiding if the teens apologized and said they were sorry.

LittleBigMan
01-23-05, 06:50 PM
Yes it does! That is exactly what forgiveness means. Read definition #2.

"WordNet (r) 2.0"
forgiveness
n 1: compassionate feelings that support a willingness to forgive
2: the act of excusing a mistake or offense [syn: pardon]

I hate when the dictionary uses a word to define itself.
I can forgive my children for an offense, but if I remove all consequences for that action, I am a lousy parent.

LittleBigMan
01-23-05, 06:54 PM
Sorry, but a $710,000 settlement would take me a lifetime to pay off. There will be no time for forgiveness. You can forgive or you can make them pay but you cannot have it both ways.
Well, that's a good point.

To look at it another way, who has responsibility for someone's expenses?

The Rob
01-23-05, 07:03 PM
My parents were good people and strove mightily to guide me, and on a few occasions I ignored them and did something terrible. I'm not so quick to blame parents for the actions of their children.