Touring - French and Italian riviera

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Pekka
01-23-05, 12:00 PM
Has anyone cycled along the French riviera past Nice and on through Italy as far as Pisa? I would like to know whether it is possible to cycle the route, or is there too much traffic.


axolotl
01-23-05, 02:29 PM
I did it in reverse many years ago and would strongly advise against it. It's OK between Pisa & Genoa (and also hilly, because it's not along the coastline). But between Genoa & Nice, it's pretty much nonstop development & traffic. I don't recall any portion of the Italian Riviera which was not developed.

tulip
01-23-05, 06:36 PM
there are much nicer places in both countries to ride. The Rivieras have alot of traffic, and rude traffic at that (even for France and Italy!)


cyclezealot
01-23-05, 06:58 PM
Go inland to Provence...Not Cote de Azur...I rode about Apt to Orange..Stayed in the Luberon Valley..Great cycling.

BryanKeith
01-24-05, 01:12 PM
My wife and I rode from St Maxime to Vingtimilia last September. Lots of traffic. It was the least favorite part of our tour because of the traffic and endless development. We preferred the Alps, Vercors, La Drome, Provence, Luberon, and Verdon to the Cote d'Azur. Of course it's possible.

Pekka
01-24-05, 10:10 PM
I had planned flying into Nice. If I don't do the Riviera, what is the best route out of Nice.

ilse
01-24-05, 10:30 PM
www.eurovelo.org/route/ ........ maybe that will help?

cyclezealot
01-24-05, 10:51 PM
Should you want to cycle about the Mediterranean..I suggest not Cote De Azur..Much too busy...Head west towards Roussillon...Much less crowed..Mediterranean is just as blue and the coast offers beautiful scenery..

axolotl
01-25-05, 07:27 AM
It would help if you said where you ultimately wish to go, how much time you have, do you like or hate mountains, etc. I think I could give you some helpful suggestions if I had more information.

BryanKeith
01-25-05, 08:10 AM
Pekka,

Like axolotl said, if you give more info, you'll get better info. I'll tell you what we did:

Headed north out of Nice over Col de La Bonnette and continued through the Alps to Annecy via Col de Vars, Lautaret, Alpe d'Huez, Col du Glandon, and Col de la Madeliene. We skipped a couple good passes (Galibier, Izoard). Don't do this route if you don't like mountains...

From Annecy we took easier routes to Chambery, Grenoble, Vercors (very nice cycling), La Drome (fantastic), Avignon, Luberon (beautiful but hot when we were there in September), and Verdon (all like I said in my last post). You can return to Nice via Grasse and have barely pedalled along the coast at all.

tulip
01-25-05, 04:13 PM
I'd have to agree with cyclezealot (again!?). You could go west toward Perpignan, Coulioure, even down to the Spanish Catalan coast--there might be good cycling roads down there. Worth checking out at least.

Have fun!

cyclezealot
01-25-05, 09:59 PM
Velogirl...Twice have stayed in the Collioure area..Love the area..Peaceful , beautiful...A part of France iadjacent to the northern secton of Spain called the Costa Brava... My daily ride was from Collioure to Spain..Traffic not too bad, roads good...Scenery on the coast great...Should you be a diver try out the national Marine park off of Banylus..They call it the 'undiscovered coast' ..Sort of hate to report its splendors for that very reason.
Collioure with it's chateau on the harbor..A real gem.. Harbor a quite place for a little snorkling.
When you cross over into Spain, the road quickly resembles the area about California's Big Sur..Roads a little twisty and narrow.

axolotl
01-26-05, 06:51 AM
From Nice, there are both ferries and short 15 minutes flights to Corsica, which is one of the best places I've ever toured. However, my absolute favorite region in the entire world for touring is the Dordogne & Lot valleys in SW France (north of Toulouse & east of Bordeaux). Gorgeous landscape, outstanding network of secondary roads with little traffic, wonderful medieval villages, river gorges, a wealth of castles and caves to visit, and some of the best cooking in France.

Pekka
01-26-05, 10:59 PM
Thanks for all the great advice. I have ten to twelve days and would like to do something like a thousand kilometres.

axolotl
01-27-05, 07:20 PM
With the amount of time you have, I would suggest either Corsica, inland Provence, or Provence/Alps. I would also suggest that you take a train AT LEAST one direction to or from Nice if you tour in Provence. A high percentage of regional trains in France allow you to easily bring your bike. I imagine if you ride along the coast west of Nice, you'll quickly see what we all have said about traffic along the Riviera and you'll want to take a train back to Nice for your flight home.

If you don't have to fly into Nice, I would suggest you fly into Bordeaux, and preferably fly home from Toulouse, or the reverse. My very favorite touring area. I'd be happy to give you route suggestions in the Dordogne & Lot valleys.

gf71
01-27-05, 11:01 PM
I agree with most comments on bad traffic on the Rivieras although I have only cycled the Cote d'Azur part. Sure enough go along the coast in Summer, holiday season and maybe weekends and it won't be much fun. The crucial choice is when to go. I went last October from the 1st to the 10th and rode from Nice along the coast to St Tropez ( mid week ) and it was a wonderful ride for the entire 2 days with little traffic and many bikers enjoying the sun and great views. Also the weather is at its best then still nice and warm but not extreme. If you go in high season move inland as soon as you can and enjoy the beautiful landscape of Provence. You can find a good article here http://www.cyclingtheworld.org/tours/provence.php

good luck

Noah Scape
01-28-05, 07:41 AM
In 1987 I toured the Italian/French Riviera. The trip started (and ended) in Munich and proceeded down through Austria, northern Italy to Venice, Florence and over to Pisa. I rode the coast all the way to Marseille… then went up the Rhone river sampling wine all the way. It was an extremely wonderful trip. The only really bad traffic I remember was in Genoa and around Florence. You have to remember, cycling is part of the fabric of life there and they are more aware of cyclist. Also, the Italians do drive kind of crazy, but they are alert drivers and when they honk at you it’s to let you know they are there. Lots of great beaches, food, coffee, wine, beer. I was hassled by the cops a couple of times but nothing serious. (Once in Monaco a cop made me put on my shirt! Maybe it’s because I’m so ugly… three blocks away there were hundreds of topless women!)

Noah

cyclezealot
01-28-05, 09:29 AM
In 1987 I toured the Italian/French Riviera. The nd they are more aware of cyclist. Also, the Italians do drive kind of crazy, but they are alert drivers and when they honk at you it’s to let you know they are there. Lots of great beaches, food, coffee, wine, beer. I was hassled by the cops a couple of times but nothing serious. (Once in Monaco a cop made me put on my shirt! Maybe it’s because I’m so ugly… three blocks away there were hundreds of topless women!)

Noah
Can't help but notice your Monaco entry.. Might as well be in Switzerland... Prudes...Well, must have good relations as the billionaires come out of the casinos and go into their billion $ yachts. Where they covort about the Mediterranean often nekid..

marmotte
02-02-05, 01:52 PM
I agree with most comments, specially with axolotl and his comment on CORSICA, one of the finest places I've ever been (I was there 6 times). If you have enough time for a special ride, then you can fly into GENEVE (Geneva, Genf) and travel all the cols and villages of the ROUTE DES GRANDES ALPES, pass the frontier to italy (my favorite: col agnel) and the PO plain. It takes about 1 week to 10 days (depending on your luggage and your evening meal)