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Wins are now losses. More fuel for the fire...
Pack 12
Hawks 14

I realize the NFL is rigged but that was ridiculous.

Agreed, that was rediculous!

The NFL is officially a complete joke. I am done watching for the season or at least until the real refs come back.

it's like a slow moving train wreck, I can't look away. How the players manage to keep their composure, I don't know

It is completely ridiculous, when they can't even call blatant fouls that are the same in college, horse collar for example, it's time to cave to the real refs and get them back as soon as possible.

it's like a slow moving train wreck, I can't look away. How the players manage to keep their composure, I don't know
In Atlanta they don't. We've had two players arrested in the last week.

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To be fair, the NFL rule book states that a reception that is ruled a simultaneous reception on the field is non reviewable. That appears to be the case here.

To be fair, the NFL rule book states that a reception that is ruled a simultaneous reception on the field is non reviewable. That appears to be the case here.

Touche'....bizarro thread deserves a bizarro comment :rolleyes:
Opposite George agrees with you.
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To be fair, the NFL rule book states that a reception that is ruled a simultaneous reception on the field is non reviewable. That appears to be the case here.

It looked like it was not simultaneous though. The GB player looked like he had possession - moreso anyway than the Seattle player.

it's like a slow moving train wreck, I can't look away. How the players manage to keep their composure, I don't know

It's the coaches who are losing their composure. John Fox and his D-coordinator just got fined $45,000. Belicek, Kyle Shanahan, and John Harbaugh are soon to fined similarly it sounds like. It's a total farce.

It looked like it was not simultaneous though. The GB player looked like he had possession - moreso anyway than the Seattle player.

This. I haven't heard anyone on any network call that a touchdown. The CB pulled the ball to his chest with both hands while in the air. There was nothing simultaneous about it. There isn't anything more that he could have done.

A much younger me would've been truly pissed. Now? Meh. I'm getting more entertainment listening to the fallout.

It looked like it was not simultaneous though. The GB player looked like he had possession - moreso anyway than the Seattle player.

I did not see the play, only repeating what I heard an NFL analyst say on the radio this AM. He was talking about defender clearly had it in the air, but by the time they came to the ground, both players had possession and thus it was ruled simultaneous on the field and thus was not reviewable.

This. I haven't heard anyone on any network call that a touchdown. The CB pulled the ball to his chest with both hands while in the air. There was nothing simultaneous about it. There isn't anything more that he could have done.

A much younger me would've been truly pissed. Now? Meh. I'm getting more entertainment listening to the fallout.

The in the air is the crux of this. In the air is not possession. On the ground with control is. Or that is how I heard it explained.

The players should walk out in solidarity w/ the refs.

I did not see the play, only repeating what I heard an NFL analyst say on the radio this AM. He was talking about defender clearly had it in the air, but by the time they came to the ground, both players had possession and thus it was ruled simultaneous on the field and thus was not reviewable.

I saw it over and over on ESPN this morning. The two were rolling on the ground fighting for it but it still looked like the GB player had "more" possession of it than the Seattle player. The two refs there signaled TD and touchback respectively. Listening to John Clayton of ESPN this AM - he said the head ref should have conferenced with the two refs to make a call on the field - instead he went straight to replay review. It was pretty bizarre.

What is the premise behind declaring a certain call 'not reviewable'? What is the point of a review process if it is made useless during many obvious bad calls that decide games?

Allow the coaches flag to start a review for any reason the coach decides is worthy. The worst that could happen is burning a couple minutes a game.

The worry is games like the previous Monday where the first half took forever. With games that are already 3 hrs long they don't want to add much more interruption to the "flow" of the game. At least that's what the talking heads keep saying. It is confusing as to what can and can't be reviewed though.

The in the air is the crux of this. In the air is not possession. On the ground with control is. Or that is how I heard it explained.

I should have added that he came down with it too. Is this simultaneous?
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I still have not seen the play, only repeating what some NFL rules analyst said on the radio. I am a contrarian and typically have no basis on which to support my stance, you should know this by now.

The worry is games like the previous Monday where the first half took forever. With games that are already 3 hrs long they don't want to add much more interruption to the "flow" of the game. At least that's what the talking heads keep saying. It is confusing as to what can and can't be reviewed though.

Time to switch to a real game like rugby or hockey if you don't want the flow disrupted.

I still have not seen the play, only repeating what some NFL rules analyst said on the radio. I am a contrarian and typically have no basis on which to support my stance, you should know this by now.

Supreme Court Justice jsharr...I like the sound of that :D

Time to switch to a real game like rugby or hockey if you don't want the flow disrupted.

Or [yawn] soccer...er...futbol.

Yeah that was as bad as it gets...........until Thursdays game.

Or [yawn] soccer...er...futbol.

I didn't want to go that far.

A much younger me would've been truly pissed. Now? Meh. I'm getting more entertainment listening to the fallout.

This! I think that the replacement refs have added a totally new dimension to the game. Like watching HS football.

In addition to not having possession of the ball, the Seahawks' player should have been flagged for offensive pass interference. He shoved one of the Packers' defenders forward just before jumping for the ball. That wasn't called either.

The call on the hail mary play was bad but the interference call against GB earlier was worse.

You guys could always watch the CFL for some real football. Wider, longer field, more players, backfeild in motion legal and only three downs. :)

i'm with skijor on this...the entertainment factor of the replacement refs cannot be truly appreciated yet. they keep upping the ante. the best reality teevee yet.
just wait till a ref throws a game...oh could be a work in progress. personally hoping the replacements stick for at least two years.
this is much more exciting than a simple players strike/owners lockout.
and to all of you that complained about the regular refs before, be careful what you wish for...
if this were happening in soccer/football internationally, at least one of these replacement refs woulda been pummel(l)ed/killed by an angry mob by now.

The NFL should switch to Aussie rules instead.

Or replace the refs with robots.

"ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

I turned the TV off after there was less then 2 minutes left in the game Green Bay had the ball, and the Seahawks had 2 time outs. I figured the game was over, why didn't Green Bay seal the deal? They were able to move the ball all 2nd half, did they play conservative at the end? The score was too close to just play conservative, hind sight tells me if GB could have a least got another 1st down the game would have been over. I am not a Packer fan, but they played well enough to win that game, blame the officials if you want but it shouldn't have got that far. I am a MLB fan, and if you strike out on a boarder line pitch, its your bad. Just my 2 cents

any such thing as a DO-OVER?

Yeah, with the offensive pass interference before the catch even if Tate had simultaneously caught the ball (and all touchdowns and interceptions are reviewable), it shouldn't have been a complete pass. Either way, game over. I didn't watch any of the game (other than highlights afterwards - the problem with having to get up early is I better not start watching a sporting event or I won't be able to drag myself away), but that was awful. All in all, the officiating is getting funny, but it's not hurting the NFL's bottom line, so it's not going to change until the players union threatens a walkout because conditions threaten their safety.

any such thing as a DO-OVER?

On the last play of the game like that, you'd think they could retroactively change score to reflect the Packers winning. I don't get why everyone was complaining about having to come back to kick the extra point. It wasn't a done deal, a block and return the other way could have won it for Green Bay.

I'm still waiting for some big guy from Vegas to have a quiet word with the NFL management about how the current situation is hurting their bottom line and the NFL management is going to start having some problems if the games don't get more predictable from a betting standpoint so they can set their lines more easily.

Arkansans just want to know what was it that Jessica Dorrell was doing to Bobby Petrino that made him crash the motorcycle and set off the horrible chain of events that have destroyed Alabama,(ooops, I mean Arkansas) football. Didn't she know she was supposed to wrap her arms around his chest and not lower?

This. I haven't heard anyone on any network call that a touchdown. The CB pulled the ball to his chest with both hands while in the air. There was nothing simultaneous about it. There isn't anything more that he could have done.

A much younger me would've been truly pissed. Now? Meh. I'm getting more entertainment listening to the fallout.

Could you imagine what the Cheeseheads would of done if this was a home game?

You guys could always watch the CFL for some real football. Wider, longer field, more players, backfeild in motion legal and only three downs. :)

You no longer have winning hockey and this is the best you can come up with?No one watches that stuff.

How "aboot" promoting your excellent fishing/hunting,good beer,black bacon,loose women......

Could you imagine what the Cheeseheads would of done if this was a home game?

The correct call probably would have been made at Lambeau. I'd expect fan noise/reaction would've influenced the call the other way...unless Vegas (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-09-25/packers-seahawks-final-play-las-vegas-betting-replacement-refs) had some play in this.

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Crazy weather this morning :)

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Robots! Replace the refs with robots!

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Robots! Replace the refs with robots!

For all of the league's insane emphasis on instantaneous rate of gyration as lines are crossed I don't see why they don't put RFIDs all over the balls and players and just mix sensors into all the chalk marks and resolve possession/position questions that way. Maybe something to do w/ positive in one hand, negative in the other so 2 hands completes a circuit...

If IBM can make a computer that can play Jeopardy, they can make one to be a better ref than these guys. Image recognition, sensors on the field... it's just a question of integration.

Yeah, I've long thought at the very least we need to start putting a couple of chips in the ball to judge whether it crosses the plane. Ball spotting is the next logical stem, but you'd have to somehow sync that with when the player is down. Not sure how that'd help any of Monday's problems (might have solved the question for the Sunday night late game field goal, but that's a different story). I've heard soccer might be going toward this, and it's time football does too. It seems like this is the perfect issue for Romney to get on to show he's a regular guy and I'm quite surprised that Obama hasn't said anything about this given that he talked about setting up a playoff in college before the last election. Probably too busy with other stuff, but it really seems like the way for a candidate to show they're a "regular guy" and it seems that the first guy on it would get a boost.

Yeah, I've long thought at the very least we need to start putting a couple of chips in the ball to judge whether it crosses the plane. Ball spotting is the next logical stem, but you'd have to somehow sync that with when the player is down.

Again maybe play w/ polarity so a knee or 2 and the ground complete a circuit? I do think the frame-by-frame replay sagas mean we're thinking about it too hard though. I like hockey where the players don't get the aerobic break for a replay after stopping to whine about a call or noncall, all they get is the puck moved farther past them.