Fixed Gear Freestyle - No handed track stand

SO I have a Bianchi Pista (2004) and it's great and everything... but something about the geometry doesn't let me do no handed trackstands. When I take my hands off the wheel uncontrollably swings to whichever side im standing on. I can do them fine on my friends bikes, my old bike, any other frame, but not this one. I would like a frame that let's me do this. I also don't want to pay a lot. Can any of you tell me whether or not the 2009 version of the Pista can do it? From looking at photos the geometry does ook different. Or if anyone knows why this happens and if there's a fix (new fork, etc.) or ay other steel frame worth looking into.

Maybe it's a problem with your headset. Also, if you want another/newer Pista, you're probably gonna have to pay a lot.

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Yeah, try slightly tightening your headset first.

I have a Cane Creek S2 that I cleaned out last tuesday. That was my first though too.

2009 frame won't help.

Edit to add: are you in the northern hemisphere? How long have you had the bike?

I'm in massachusetts. And I bought the frame, headset, and stem all together used from my LBS.

Maybe it's a problem with your head.

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That was uncalled for..

What? I'm saying maybe your equilibrium is a little off.

Headset adjustment.

I'd uninstall your headset, makes it too easy to turn.

What? I'm saying maybe your equilibrium is a little off.

Misunderstanding. I thought you were hinting at me being ********.


To everyone telling me to adjust my headset. I have taken it out, cleaned it, WD40'd it, greased it, reinstalled it. Is there something else I shoud do?

******** meanng r3t4rded

haha, Scrod.

But yeah, if you got the proper tools, how about trying to switch your headset with another bike that works with you? Then you'll really be able to tell if it's a problem with the geometry or the headset.

I don't have the proper tools, just alan wrench set and 15mm.

What? I'm saying maybe your equilibrium is a little off.

lol nice recovery?

I know that everyone is entitled to do whatever they like with their bikes but is this really an issue that bothers you? I mean, is it just curiosity or are you actually pondering doing something crazy like switching bikes just because you can't track stand with no hands?

I told myself it didn't matter so much when I first got the frame. But when I'm riding with friends (or a really cute girl walks by) I'd like to not be limited. And I want to learn how to do a full backwards circle with no hands soon.

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Can you hang in there until the winter solstice? I think it's a gravitational problem.

I told myself it didn't matter so much when I first got the frame. But when I'm riding with friends (or a really cute girl walks by) I'd like to not be limited. And I want to learn how to do a full backwards circle with no hands soon.

Three beautiful sentences in one post. You seem like a really deep and genuine person. Can I adopt you?

Honesty or depth? Which do you want? Is there a difference? Is one the other, but not reciprocated?

At least I'm not crackin' wise. (till now)

Are you guys serious about this winter solstice thing? I can't tell if you're joking or if I'm gullible. (same thing)

The Bullies have been surprisingly gentle in this thread. I thought the first response and every one thereafterwardsfollowing would be an insult. But the thread's still young...

Have you tried consulting with a track stand coach? Sounds like your technique maybe off.

Make sure your saddle is straight. I realized recently that mine was slightly skewed and causing numbness in my left side, could probably throw off equilibrium enough to make no-hand-tarck-stands impossible if I ever tried to do them.

Would you guys shut the **** up? I joined this forum to learn and be part of a community. Not to get made fun of for wanting to have fun. My bike doesn't do what I want it to do, so I'm asking for help on how to fix that.

Thank you to the human beings that actually tried to help.

Step 1: Ask about useless trick
Step 2: Get Smart ass answers
Step 3: u mad bro?
Step 4: ????

Would you guys shut the **** up? I joined this forum to learn and be part of a community. Not to get made fun of for wanting to have fun. My bike doesn't do what I want it to do, so I'm asking for help on how to fix that.

Thank you to the human beings that actually tried to help.

Unfortunately, 90% of cyclists are complete ********. The rest of me are hypocrites.

Sorry, that "track stand coach" comment set me off.

@Seau - My saddle is perfectly straight. I've had this frame for a few months now and I've never been able to do them.

Could be an issue with the frame's geometry, depending on what you're used to.

gear ratio maybe? I dont understand what you mean by "wheel swings uncontrollably to whichever side i'm on"
usually once i have my cranks parallel and my bars turned one way, the wheel stays in that direction.
are you shifting back and forth alot to correct it?

Sorry, that "track stand coach" comment set me off.



.........track stand coaches are legitimate things.

What about riding no handed? Does that feel different on this bike?

What other frames have you been riding? How long have you been riding this bike for? Is the headset extra sticky or loose? If you pick up your bike into the air and tilt it from side to side, the handlebars should be able to freely move by gravity alone. If they are binding, that could be an issue.

But you would feel all this stuff 10 fold while riding no handed.

Can anyone else trackstand no handed on your bike?

EDIT: I think he is saying his wheel flops hard to one side as soon as he lets go of the bars. You might just need more practice because some of the best trackstanders I have seen have been on pista concepts, and I am pretty sure those have the same geo as the 2004 pista. There shouldn't be anything geometry wise that is holding you back.

Ive had a few frames with slightly different head tube angles/fork rake and it made a pretty big difference trying to ride with no hands if you're used to your previous frame geo.

@Seau - That's my thought.
@Jacks - When I let go, my front wheel just turns all the way. Never happens to me on my friends bikes.
@Nagrom_ - Actually? I need evidence for that one.
@Diff - No handed is fine. Everything is like a normal bike until I come to a stop and take my hands off. None of my friends know how to except for one who's way too tall for my bike. He rides a 61 and has the seat a foot from his TT.

Somewhat slack headtube on them bikes makes bars floppy @ zero mph no-hands. The longer your stem the worse it is.

@Lester - My stem is pretty damn long. Riding bullhorns now so there's two reasons to get a shorter stem!

Thanks!

@Nagrom_ - Actually? I need evidence for that one.


Yeah, I've been one for about 22 years now.

i still cant do a trackstand.

you literally train people how to do a "circus trick"?

You're a fixed gear rider in NY and you can't track stand?

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you literally train people how to do a "circus trick"?

Yeah, I guess if you want to belittle my profession.

You're a fixed gear rider in NY and you can't track stand?

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who has time to slow down?

cant stop dont want to.

You should have an Excalibur-type contest where you test if anyone can track stand on your bike. In all seriousness though, you're probably not gonna find your answers unless you start switching up parts. Start with the fork, bearings, stem, and bars from another bike. It'll get you closer to pinpointing the problem. Who knows, maybe someone hid their weed in one of the bar ends and it's offsetting the weight. Mmmm.. free weed.

you literally train people how to do a "circus trick"?
Which circus has "no-handed" track stands?
When I do "no-handed" track stands, I use my massive **** to hold the handlebars steady while I release my hands. A track stand coach can show you how to safely do this, provided you have the equipment.

Can this thread be moved to a different forum? Maybe a different Internet even. Is that possible?

Can this thread be moved to a different forum? Maybe a different Internet even. Is that possible?

I tried moving it to a different internet but it turns out I don't have access. I'll forward the request to someone who does.

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Fixed.


What? I'm saying maybe your equilibrium is a little off.

If that were true then his equilibrium must only be affected by certain bikes because OP stated he could do it on other models.

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