Commuting - Sad Confession... I'm scared to commute to school.

Ever since I traded my $730+utilities apartment for moving back in w/the 'rent, I'm scared to commute to school.

The location of my last car v bike crash is on the only real path from home to school, and there are a lot of right hook aplenty areas along this commute. Despite all my lights, all my reflective tape, and all my caution, I can't get it out of my mind that I could be seriously hurt or killed trying to get to and from school.

Before, my commute was 8 miles, on mostly trails and residential streets. Now my commute is on the side of a highway with hills galore... It's not the 20 mile distance, or climbing the hills, that's the problem. It's the downhills that scare me. I don't mind being passed by cars and having them turn in front of me when I'm doing 6-12 mph, but when I'm doing 20-40 mph it's a different story.

I hate being stuffed into a bus twice a day (not to mention the truly awe-inspiring lunacy of it's F-d up schedule), but I can't get over my fear. This SUCKS! That, and I've gained back ALL of the weight I had lost. I can't wait to get out of here.

That's a bummer man. Only a few options really.

1. Don't ride
2. Come to terms with the fear and realize even the bus could have issues causing a wreck
3. Slow down on the hills. No need to ride 20-40 mph if you don't have to

Only you can decide what is best for you. I don't know the hills or the are so I would not feel right telling you to "man up" or what not about the fear. It is all up to you.

You could also get kill in a car or crossing a street. I think you should do it once or twice at a slower pace or on a week end day just to get some confidence back.

Good luck :thumb:

2. Come to terms with the fear and realize even the bus could have issues causing a wreck
3. Slow down on the hills. No need to ride 20-40 mph if you don't have to


There's no reason to faster than you feel comfortable. Ever. Slow down on the hills to a speed that makes you happy.

Cheers,
Charles

+1 on reducing speed on the downhills. I take it easy myself. You'll wear out your brake pads quicker, but that is a small price to pay for peace of mind.

I think this is inevitable endpoint of a fear-based mindset. Take off the reflective tape and most of the lights, ride your bike. These things don't make you any safer.

I was going to say 'leave the helmet at home' but I figured that would fork the thread.

Can you move someplace else that will fit your budget and allow for a safer ride? Maybe share rent?

My advice:

When on a down hill, I usually always take the lane if there is no shoulder. That is the best safety advice I follow. If there is a shoulder, then no worries.

I love your lights but its overkill really and I can see how the weight can effect the downhill trip.

You just have to do it bro. Yeah, it will be nerve racking at first but you will get used to it.

There are risks for everything. But what makes you grow, as a person, is by putting yourself in situations that feel uncomfortable Then you "master" those and become a better person and a stronger person.

I think this is inevitable endpoint of a fear-based mindset. Take off the reflective tape and most of the lights, ride your bike. These things don't make you any safer.

I was going to say 'leave the helmet at home' but I figured that would fork the thread.

Had to put on the ol' glasses for that one! lol

Take off the reflective tape and most of the lights ...

I was going to say 'leave the helmet at home' but I figured that would fork the thread.
I'd much rather do that than forgo my lights and reflectors (but I don't have as many of the latter as the OP).

You know what? When you're ready, you'll know it. If the fear is too fresh right now then maybe the time isn't right. Give it some time.

How bright are your lights, front and rear? I travel that kind of traffic too, but I got real bright with the lights. Helmet light, blinking strips,and several rear lights. The more you are seen the safer you are.

Last point, the ride is supposed to be fun. If the fear factor overcomes the fun factor, IMO, it would be time to give up the commute. Just my opinion.

How bright are your lights, front and rear? I travel that kind of traffic too, but I got real bright with the lights. Helmet light, blinking strips,and several rear lights. The more you are seen the safer you are.

Last point, the ride is supposed to be fun. If the fear factor overcomes the fun factor, IMO, it would be time to give up the commute. Just my opinion.

In OP's case, I don't think lights are an issue. Gotta agree with cyclefreaksix - give it time.

My routine daytime light level is a MiNewt 600 Cordless on flash, and a Serfas UTL-6 (Thunderbolt) on high flash (35 lumens). Held in reserve is my PB Superflash, a MiNewt X2, PB Beamer 5LED, and the helmet mounted MiNewt 200 and PB blinky 3H. All of the other lights seen on my Captain Dashboard photos do belong to me, but are only pulled out when I'm in a playful (read: night ride) mood.

The problem here is not the night time, nor the lights or reflective film. The problem is that during the day, I'm almost just as invisible as any other person on a bike out there..

I also think that this cold and wet weather has been making my old knee injury hurt more reminding me of what happened.

As to moving, I don't have a job, I'm not on welfare, despite my lack of income. I can't afford to move (let alone do necessary bike maintenance (new rear cassette and chain)). Having that J**K*$$ knock my bike over and snap off my brake lever didn't help my bottom line at all either.

Nowadays I take the lane on a downhill (even when there's a shoulder (or bike lane)) if there's a driveway on my right. I was hit while riding in the bike lane. Bikelanes on uphills... Awesome!!! Level ground... Great! Downhills??? Get me out of here (if there's a driveway anywhere near)

My advice:

When on a down hill, I usually always take the lane if there is no shoulder. That is the best safety advice I follow. +1

Nowadays I take the lane on a downhill (even when there's a shoulder (or bike lane)) if there's a driveway on my right. I was hit while riding in the bike lane. Bikelanes on uphills... Awesome!!! Level ground... Great! Downhills??? Get me out of here (if there's a driveway anywhere near)Sounds like you have the skill that you need to handle the ride.

Sounds like you have the skill that you need to handle the ride.

+1

What the OP has started doing is what I would have suggested: take the lane when going fast, down hill. More to the left part of your lane. That way if a car pulls in in front of you, you will have room to avoid him (to the left, "between" two lanes). While those that overtake you will have remembered and noticed you (since they had to get out of their lane to pass you).


This is a nice video on lane positioning. It's for motorcycles, but I guess it works for fast-downhill cycling as well. That's somethin I always have in mind:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l4puJm66fk&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb2gZVuoNU4&feature=relmfu

a few comments:

1. just ride, you'll die some day anyway. why not enjoy your life while you have it?
2. if you live with the 'rents, you don't have a wife/kid, so no reason not to do it?
3. is $730+utils cheap or expensive?
4. i highly recommend move out of the 'rents house and living in the dorms / student slum areas near the university because university is about three things ... learning how to make/maintain/dissolve personal connections, learning how to learn (this is most critical), attaining position-specific knowledge.
5. the first two will become much more developed if you live on/near campus and not with the 'rents because you'll be surrounded by students 24/7 and more importantly, outside of an academic setting.

good luck and just ride.

Not trying to be mean K'Tesh.. but you're just being a nancy. Your light situation is fine obviously, and you know how to handle the ride situation so it's simply a matter of confidence, you can do it!!!!!!

I've been thinking about this, and thought a (much as I hate to say it) a scooter might be the answer for you. If you buy something used to not too neglected you should be able to get it roadworthy and compromise on the bicycle or car dilemma.

Not only are those video's for motorcycles they are also shot in Great Brtitain somewhere. That makes them relevant in the U.K., Australia and maybe two other civilized countries. Always find it interesting that the multiple flasher advocates are the ones getting hit. Cyclists don't get hit because they aren't seen. They get hit because they failed to ride like they weren't seen. They think that because they have a week's wages worth of safety equipment that will make them seen... ... drivers fail to see semi-tractor-trailers. But, I'm not here to slow anyone's roll. Use all the flashing equipment and safety vestage you want. Then go ride. Buying all that junk and then taking the car anyway is what will make me laugh at you.

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I'd start with riding at off-hours. Skip the morning class and test out the route at 10 am... it's a lot less scary when it's not rush hour. And, as others have said, don't feel bad about riding the brakes downhill. It won't impact your overall time all that much, and it could help with the feeling of control.

Alternatively, if you can keep up with the traffic on the downhills (residential streets) then take the lane. If you're right behind the vehicle in front of you then the ones behind you shouldn't have much of an excuse to pass you.

Finally, I second the move out recommendations! Find some roommates, eat rice and beans for a while... it's part of university.

I've been thinking about this, and thought a (much as I hate to say it) a scooter might be the answer for you. If you buy something used to not too neglected you should be able to get it roadworthy and compromise on the bicycle or car dilemma.

I don't follow your logic. From his post the o.p. needs to take the bus or the train. I wouldn't trust him to be good behind the wheel of anything. Fear is likely replaced by overconfidence when fear types get behind the wheel. Since I ride so much, when I drive, I look out for my fellow cyclists. I give them lots of room when passing them and if they are riding something cool like a recumbent I'll flash my brights or wave or something. Fearful, self-hating cyclists don't treat cyclists well or they wouldn't fear drivers so much. Doesn't sound like the o.p. can afford a car anyway.

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Not only are those video's for motorcycles they are also shot in Great Brtitain somewhere. That makes them relevant in the U.K., Australia and maybe two other civilized countries. Always find it interesting that the multiple flasher advocates are the ones getting hit. Cyclists don't get hit because they aren't seen. They get hit because they failed to ride like they weren't seen. They think that because they have a week's wages worth of safety equipment that will make them seen... ... drivers fail to see semi-tractor-trailers. But, I'm not here to slow anyone's roll. Use all the flashing equipment and safety vestage you want. Then go ride. Buying all that junk and then taking the car anyway is what will make me laugh at you.

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I don't follow your logic. From his post the o.p. needs to take the bus or the train. I wouldn't trust him to be good behind the wheel of anything. Fear is likely replaced by overconfidence when fear types get behind the wheel. Since I ride so much, when I drive, I look out for my fellow cyclists. I give them lots of room when passing them and if they are riding something cool like a recumbent I'll flash my brights or wave or something. Fearful, self-hating cyclists don't treat cyclists well or they wouldn't fear drivers so much. Doesn't sound like the o.p. can afford a car anyway.

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I don't want to derail this too badly but it seems to me that you are just inserting a tons of assumptions from personal anecdotal evidence... and feel free to correct me if you've got a psych degree of some sort and know K'Tesh in person. The scooter option actually sounds like a good one despite your reservations..and the OP is already taking the bus..

K'Tesh keep on riding man!

Not only are those video's for motorcycles they are also shot in Great Brtitain somewhere. That makes them relevant in the U.K., Australia and maybe two other civilized countries. Always find it interesting that the multiple flasher advocates are the ones getting hit. Cyclists don't get hit because they aren't seen. They get hit because they failed to ride like they weren't seen. They think that because they have a week's wages worth of safety equipment that will make them seen... ... drivers fail to see semi-tractor-trailers. But, I'm not here to slow anyone's roll. Use all the flashing equipment and safety vestage you want. Then go ride. Buying all that junk and then taking the car anyway is what will make me laugh at you.

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Pincipal is the same. I'd just flip sides of the road, and +1 on acifast's post, that is spot on! Acidfast's post covers the "philosophical" aspect, and I quite agree. The videos cover the technical aspect of safe lane positioning, which is important when going fast downhill on a bicycle.

I don't follow your logic. From his post the o.p. needs to take the bus or the train. I wouldn't trust him to be good behind the wheel of anything. Fear is likely replaced by overconfidence when fear types get behind the wheel. Since I ride so much, when I drive, I look out for my fellow cyclists. I give them lots of room when passing them and if they are riding something cool like a recumbent I'll flash my brights or wave or something. Fearful, self-hating cyclists don't treat cyclists well or they wouldn't fear drivers so much. Doesn't sound like the o.p. can afford a car anyway.

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I wrote that before considering the economic portion. If a scooter was affordable, it's be a lot cheaper than a car or motorcycle, but still be able to keep up with in town traffic. And easier to park.
I rode for over 100,000 miles before I stopped riding motorcycles, and riding a bicycle in traffic terrified me at first (just like most of my biker friends who did the same) because I felt so vulnerable. I'd lost my ability to accelerate, stop and signal when I switched to bicycles - and a scooter would have given me some of that back.

Pincipal is the same. I'd just flip sides of the road, and +1 on acifast's post, that is spot on! Acidfast's post covers the "philosophical" aspect, and I quite agree. The videos cover the technical aspect of safe lane positioning, which is important when going fast downhill on a bicycle.

Exactly!

I don't have any good answers.

If you can't find a good alternate route can you find the time to just go for a ride before or after school? Even if it's just 3 days a week. Better than nothing. I know that's hard when going to college but...

Whatever you do good luck.

I didn't read ALL the posts in this thread, but I did read the OP's statement about going downhill at 20 to 40mph. I think the OP stated that he would reach these speeds going downhill while intersecting with driveways or; I presume side-streets? I mean no disrespect to the OP but this behavior for a commuter is silly. Whats the rush? You are commuting; not racing! Also, I don't care how many lights you can attach to your bike, as a cyclist you can never assume the motorist "sees" you. Slow down and commute defensively, save the radical downhills for the Tour-de-France!

I feel for ya man. After my car vs. bike collision, some of the joy of riding to work has been stolen from me. I'm back at it, but I spend too much time in my mirror and on the sidewalk. It's PTSD and all you can do is work through it.

Dude, if you're scared then don't do it. A little fear is good but too much can be dangerous.

Speed is your friend! I feel scared at slow speed when it's going to tick off a cager, at decent speeds it aint no biggie as i keep the flow of traffic + it's more fun. If they try something at speed then get the plates and see if you report them. (And this is with hardly any lights) Taking the bus is nice once in a while though, you can get some reading done or listen to music.

Sometimes reality sucks. But if you're all too aware that 'you could get seriously hurt or killed' on your commute - its probably a survival thing - fear can keep you alive. So I'm guessing the commute is pretty risky in spots and much as you hate it - you are probably better off on the bus. There have been enough posts here already demonstrating our mortality and fragility so caution isn't a bad thing. It won't be forever.

For the weight thing - what are the chances of either setting up your bike in a training stand or taking rides around the area you live in before or after school?

I disagree. You need to overcome the fear and do it. That increases your tolerance for fear, which is a good thing in the long term.

I disagree. You need to overcome the fear and do it. That increases your tolerance for fear, which is a good thing in the long term.

So there's absolutely no place you wouldn't drive? And nothing you feel pushes things too far? Would that include jumping out of an airplane without a parachute? Risk management needs to be part of life - in a way that keeps us alive without compromising our overall quality of life. There's some places in my own city that I personally avoid in a car. I can't imagine trying to deal with those areas by bicycle and every city probably has places like that.

So there's absolutely no place you wouldn't drive? And nothing you feel pushes things too far? Would that include jumping out of an airplane without a parachute? Risk management needs to be part of life - in a way that keeps us alive without compromising our overall quality of life. There's some places in my own city that I personally avoid in a car. I can't imagine trying to deal with those areas by bicycle and every city probably has places like that.

I think the real argument is about priorities. If the OP wants to ride a bike to "school" then he/she should live in a place where it's possible. Personally, I think living with the parents is a horrible idea (for the reasons I stated above), and poor location with respect to commuting compounds these poor qualities.

I also think that jumping out of a plane without a parachute is a very poor analogy to riding a bicycle on a busy street and given that I'm spent extensive amount time in Montreal (not so much any of the suburbs), I can say that I wouldn't hesitate to ride/drive anywhere in that city.

When you fall off of a horse, the best thing you can do is get right back on. Same with bikes. I am pretty sure that after a few rides, you'll get your confidence back. Just take it slow at first, and ease back into it.

So there's absolutely no place you wouldn't drive? And nothing you feel pushes things too far? Would that include jumping out of an airplane without a parachute? I have jumped out of an airplane without a parachute.

99W? (Or have you been hit again since that one?)

If so, I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to ride there either. You could take a longer route, but at 20 miles starting that's not very appealing either.

I have jumped out of an airplane without a parachute.

You can skydive without a parachute, but you have better odds of doing it twice if you have one.


99W? (Or have you been hit again since that one?)

If so, I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to ride there either. You could take a longer route, but at 20 miles starting that's not very appealing either.

No, just hit the once there. And you're right I could change the route, but it adds about 5 miles to it.

As for others who suggest I move, I'd say with what? I have a whopping $400 to my name, that's all that's left of my 401K, and my personal savings. I'd rather live with the 'rent than live on the street.

Am 80 years old. Have bicycled over 300,000 miles.
Commuted to work daily for 16 years.
If you are descending faster than what's comfortable to you, gently apply brakes.
Still pedalin' 6 days week.

You can skydive without a parachute, but you have better odds of doing it twice if you have one.



No, just hit the once there. And you're right I could change the route, but it adds about 5 miles to it.

As for others who suggest I move, I'd say with what? I have a whopping $400 to my name, that's all that's left of my 401K, and my personal savings. I'd rather live with the 'rent than live on the street.

Maybe adding the fives miles is the best thing. I did that and it helped me burn more cals and loose more weight. Plus the extra miles really gave me time to think and unwind.

Not trying to be mean K'Tesh.. but you're just being a nancy. Your light situation is fine obviously, and you know how to handle the ride situation so it's simply a matter of confidence, you can do it!!!!!!

Maybe splitting the commute between bike and bus might be a good interim step towards getting his confidence back.