Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Cinlli Pista Stem ... Short or long?

Just about to order a cinelli pista stem (threadless type, 31.8) for my 2003 Cannondale...

I already ordered the cinelli pista bar but can't descide on the stem length...

If this bike were geared, with a normal stem, based on the top tube length, I would use a 120mm stem...

This is a pista stem so the drop is steeper... Also I will spend more time on the top part then in the drops (it's a single speed so the brake levers will be clamped to the 31.8 part)

What size stem would you recommend based on:

1. Proper fit

2. Proper look


Thanks!!

This may help: http://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html

Use the stem calculator:

http://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html

pay careful attention to the stem height and stem reach. Use your current stem as a starting point and compare it to the pista stem. Typically if you go lower, you're gonna want to go shorter if you want somewhat of a similar feel. Of course, you can't be 100% sure about how it will fit until your new stem is installed.

This may help: http://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html

Say whaaaaaaaaaaat? :crash:

Whichever one puts your forward-most hand position in-line/in front of the front axle.

This is so wrong. Proper fit. Proper look. Pista bar with brake. Hands on the flats not the drops. Pista stem.

Stop now.

Use the stem calculator:

http://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html

pay careful attention to the stem height and stem reach. Use your current stem as a starting point and compare it to the pista stem. Typically if you go lower, you're gonna want to go shorter if you want somewhat of a similar feel. Of course, you can't be 100% sure about how it will fit until your new stem is installed.

Ok... Help me out with this one... One of my road bikes is a Pinarello Montello with a cinelli Xa stem.. What is the head tube Abd stem angle?

Also what would the head tube angle be on a cannondale caad5??

Thanks!

This is so wrong. Proper fit. Proper look. Pista bar with brake. Hands on the flats not the drops. Pista stem.

Stop now.

This response is a waste of my time...

Really, dude?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Pinarello+Montello+geometry
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cannondale+caad5+geometry

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^thanks Double D, saved me the trouble.

This response is a waste of my time...

Your original post is a waste of ours.

Your original post is a waste of ours.

Oh boy......

Well... Thanks for those who gave me the following link

http://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html

I will bookmark it and put it to good use, I do appreciate it.

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Ditto.

Let me go ahead and waste the time of the people who might come after you, since you have made up your mind. If there is a glimmer of listen left in you, let me repeat - stop.

That stem calculator helps if you are trying to (for example) replicate (or deviate from a baseline) a current bar placement while using a different length steerer tube with a different angle stem. For example, if you have a riser stem and now you want a zero degree stem but want to end up with the bars in the same place.

OP is asking a question about a totally different bar placement.


If this bike were geared, with a normal stem, based on the top tube length

Where does OP like his hands with this road set up? We do not know. I assume the hoods. So, is OP trying to get his hands on the flats of the pista bars to be in the same place as his hands on the hoods of the road set up? We do not know, yet he is asking us to answer the question.

Further, his priorities as stated are fit and looks. Riding the "flats" on track bars pretty much eliminates any potential for "proper" in the fit department. Putting a brake lever on track bars pretty much eliminates any potential for "proper" in the looks department. Which is why I said stop. OP is not heading in the direction of meeting his priorities.

And another thing, I realize that I should go ahead and answer the question - short or long... meet in the middle:

shlong

Let me go ahead and waste the time of the people who might come after you, since you have made up your mind. If there is a glimmer of listen left in you, let me repeat - stop.

That stem calculator helps if you are trying to (for example) replicate (or deviate from a baseline) a current bar placement while using a different length steerer tube with a different angle stem. For example, if you have a riser stem and now you want a zero degree stem but want to end up with the bars in the same place.

OP is asking a question about a totally different bar placement.



Where does OP like his hands with this road set up? We do not know. I assume the hoods. So, is OP trying to get his hands on the flats of the pista bars to be in the same place as his hands on the hoods of the road set up? We do not know, yet he is asking us to answer the question.

Further, his priorities as stated are fit and looks. Riding the "flats" on track bars pretty much eliminates any potential for "proper" in the fit department. Putting a brake lever on track bars pretty much eliminates any potential for "proper" in the looks department. Which is why I said stop. OP is not heading in the direction of meeting his priorities.

Hi, you make some very good points, thanks for that...

I do get chewed out on this forum quite often for making track style bikes then adding brakes...

I don't like riding fixed but I like having one gear

I think the only way to determine a length is to order one and test it out...

http://www.tollandbicycle.com/images/fitbike.jpg

Call around your local bike shops and ask if they have a fitting bike or something along that lines. See if you can bring in your bars. Trial and error kinda sucks, unless you like stockpiling parts.

http://www.tollandbicycle.com/images/fitbike.jpg

Call around your local bike shops and ask if they have a fitting bike or something along that lines. See if you can bring in your bars. Trial and error kinda sucks, unless you like stockpiling parts.

Cool! There is a shop that may have one... I will investigate to see if they will let me use it

Luckily the pista stem is only $33 including tax and shipping so I will probably take the advise and start a little shorter to account for the drop (instead of 120 I will go for 100 to start)

100 to start

good idea

http://www.tollandbicycle.com/images/fitbike.jpg

Call around your local bike shops and ask if they have a fitting bike or something along that lines. See if you can bring in your bars. Trial and error kinda sucks, unless you like stockpiling parts.

If this doesn't work, bike shops usually have tons of cheapo stems they've pulled off to help people fit bikes. See if you can go test a couple lengths. They'd probably be happy to if you tell them you'd like to order the stem through their shop. The slight extra cost of buying at your LBS would probably save you in the long run if you only have to order one size in the end.

But dude Pista bro ha.

But dude Pista bro ha.

god you are so lame.

god you are so lame.

Please don't call me God. My name is Dave.

Why don't you just give up this bike hobby? Didn't you just bought a $400 crankset+bb that doesn't even fit on your frame? And now u want to install a negative rise stem and track drops on a street bike? :rolleyes:

If this doesn't work, bike shops usually have tons of cheapo stems they've pulled off to help people fit bikes. See if you can go test a couple lengths. They'd probably be happy to if you tell them you'd like to order the stem through their shop. The slight extra cost of buying at your LBS would probably save you in the long run if you only have to order one size in the end.



Goop idea! But they probably won't have many Pista type stems as spares... mostly regular ones... thanks though!

What exactly is a pista type stem?

Why don't you just give up this bike hobby? Didn't you just bought a $400 crankset+bb that doesn't even fit on your frame? And now u want to install a negative rise stem and track drops on a street bike? :rolleyes:


Oh look.. it's another person with a non-related comment...

if you really want me to get into it... I got the bike frame, wheels, crank, BB, and another bin full of parts for free from buying a couple bikes and parting them out... (sold the other parts and frames to pay for the two bikes...) so I have spent Nothing.... I'm just trying to make it work for a fun little project... In the other thread I said that I bought them to keep it simple... This is my 9th bike so I am just trying something different for a winter project with what I have laying around...

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What exactly is a pista type stem?

It is a stem with a very steep downward angle

It is a stem with a very steep downward angle

....so just a 17deg stem?

A bike shop will have those, that aren't anything special.

....so just a 17deg stem?

A bike shop will have those, that aren't anything special.

it's actually 25 deg...

Why on earth do you need that much drop?

Because Pista!

Ah, got it. A MTB riser stem with upside down logos = pista.

:lol:

Oh look.. it's another person with a non-related comment...

if you really want me to get into it... I got the bike frame, wheels, crank, BB, and another bin full of parts for free from buying a couple bikes and parting them out... (sold the other parts and frames to pay for the two bikes...) so I have spent Nothing.... I'm just trying to make it work for a fun little project... In the other thread I said that I bought them to keep it simple... This is my 9th bike so I am just trying something different for a winter project with what I have laying around...

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So far either nothing is working or making sense. I suggest you to stay in the jackass thread along with the guy that wants to zip-tie his cog.

Ah, got it. A MTB riser stem with upside down logos = pista.

man's got a point.

So far either nothing is working or making sense. I suggest you to stay in the jackass thread along with the guy that wants to zip-tie his cog.

Nothing is working? All I need to make it work is a BB with a longer spindle... simple solution... Not sure what you are talking about?

Nothing is making sense? Not sure what you are referring to... this is MY thread... I started it... I did not start it for you to chime in with a little comment... I started it for some suggestions... I got several that were very helpful...

this is MY thread... I started it... I did not start it for you to chime in with a little comment... I started it for some suggestions...

Oh, so you started a thread on the world wide web hoping to only receive responses telling you exactly what you wanted to hear? Makes perfect sense.

Oh, so you started a thread on the world wide web hoping to only receive responses telling you exactly what you wanted to hear? Makes perfect sense.

hahaha... no... I'm used to ppl chiming in every couple posts... always good for a laugh =)

it's always fun to craft up a nice response..... just as you did to me... =)

So, lemme make sure I got this right. You're going for that "pista" look on a single speed converted American road frame, using a high end track crank, which has to be rigged to even work, coupled with a flipped 25deg stem and track drops. Correct?

So, lemme make sure I got this right. You're going for that "pista" look on a single speed converted American road frame, using a high end track crank, which has to be rigged to even work, coupled with a flipped 25deg stem and track drops. Correct?

Well... when you say it like that it sounds like a frankenbike =)

An pista ha.

An pista ha.

Huh?

Exactly.

Exactly.

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You got it now.

You got it now ha.

/LessonLearned

You got it now ha.

/LessonLearned
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