Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Need some wheelset and setup advice

Hey all, new guy here. I've been lurking for about two months reading everything I can find, and am reaching the point of "analysis paralysis."

I built up my first fixed gear about a month ago. It is a bit of a beater build based on a 1975 Schwinn Continental and a strange combination of whatever parts I came across.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s6nk26kKibU/UNNKyXoWcgI/AAAAAAAABHg/tdJEpAm4_wM/s800/IMG_4432.JPG

As you can see, the wheels are mis-matched, 27in rear with wally world 700c front (both came free with the CL frame set :innocent:). I've experimentally determined that the hub and cog setup is unsafe (no one was injured if you were curious). I was looking at the wheel sets on Velomine (as they seem to come well recommended). That is where I've been stuck since putting the bike together.

The bike is mostly used for putting around campus and the city, it's never seen a ride more than about 5 miles. Strength is a bit of a concern, as I weigh 185lbs, but I am not big on the fixie freestyle thing. I'd like to keep the wheels reasonably light, but am not seriously concerned with weight.

The "keep it classic" side of me says go with the 27in Sun M13 set. Tire selection seems okay, I don't have a problem with something basic like Vittoria's or Panaracer's (or perhaps spring for Conti's). Is there a good reason to switch to 700c or pick a different wheel set? I would really like a fixed/fixed hub, unless there are some tricks I'm missing for using the freewheel side of a flip-flop safely (other than blue loctite, rota-fix, and English BB lock rings).

Also, you guys seem good at picking out random setup details about these bikes. Is there anything simple to improve in this case, keeping in mind the bike's purpose? I'm thinking the fork has been tweaked, though the down tube shows no signs of distress. My plan for the frame was to strip it properly and coat it in Eastwood Diamond Clear, since I have a thing for nice looking frame joints (I'm a mechanical engineering student :p). Noticing the original Schwinn Kool Lemon under the head badge has sort of complicated that decision...

I think that's it at the moment, though it seems like I had more questions... Any thoughts would be much appreciated!

Replace the fork, it is bent. I'd go 700 for the wider tire selection.

They fork is really bent, which is very very unsafe. But putting on a 700 fork messes with the ride of the bike a lot. I would find another 27 fork (if you have a bike works I bet they can hook you up) and a good quality brake.

I think a nice 27" wheelset is what you are looking for. There are a few tires that fit what you need, and your bike will look a lot nicer. At some point you might decide you want a purpose built fixed gear, and that will most likely be 700, but there isn't really much need for you to put 700s on this bike.

I'd take my experience building this bike up and apply it to a nicer bike. Don't spend any more money on this bike.

As was stated, if you have a bike co-op/kitchen/whatever near you I would go there and get a fork and a 27" wheel from them. I wouldn't buy anything new for that bike, not really worth putting money into.

They fork is really bent, which is very very unsafe. But putting on a 700 fork messes with the ride of the bike a lot.

The fork is obviously bent, but probably not dangerous. 700C and 27" wheels are only different by 4mm...I'm willing to be no one here could ever tell the difference.
Personally, I wouldn't want to ride that bike, but I think its perfectly fine as a beater. I wouldn't spend any money attempting to upgrade it.

The bend in the fork does have a little bit of stress showing (small surface crack). Since it's steel, I'm not as concerned; however, I will definitely keep an eye on it while tracking down a replacement.

I agree that it's foolish to spend too much on this bike, but it doesn't seem like a bad base to work from. I could buy a $300 bike that I'd never really be happy with (speaking from experience), or enjoy this one. I want it to last for 2-3 years of service, then it will probably hang around as part of my bike garage if for no other reason than the fact that it is quirky. It's not the coolest or most practical thing around, but it gets the job done without any drama.

With that in mind, will Velomine's Sun M13/Formula wheel set fit the bill? It's not terribly expensive, and it would give the extra benefits of clincher rims and a proper lock ring. If there is some benefit to a particular other wheel set in a similar price range, even a 700c, I'm open to suggestions.

I don't mean to come across as a hard headed newbie, I really am open to learning. I tend to pick out enough to know what needs to be done, then get lost in finding the best way to accomplish it.

It's really easy to spend too much money when updating a bike. Simply buying new tyres for that bike MAY be overdoing it.
One route is to slowly buy good components and upgrade it as you go. This route treats the frame as just another component, provides the greatest chance of spending too much and leaves you with one bike.

A second route is to buy a cheap(ish) bike already built and use that to learn about fixed gear - there's a really good chance you'll find the reality doesn't match your expectations but you WILL learn where you fit in and enable you to plan your next, expensive bike. A bike that's too poor to ride properly will not give you this experience. As a bonus, your current bike will still be there for beater duties.

The third route is to spend up and buy a really good bike now which carries the danger of buying something you discover later isn't appropriate for your needs ( the number of low mileage roadies for sale speaks to this).

My suggestion is the second route, I've spent too much money pursuing the other two not to :(

A second route is to buy a cheap(ish) bike already built and use that to learn about fixed gear - there's a really good chance you'll find the reality doesn't match your expectations but you WILL learn where you fit in and enable you to plan your next, expensive bike. A bike that's too poor to ride properly will not give you this experience. As a bonus, your current bike will still be there for beater duties.


This +1

A schwinn continental is not really a good candidate for conversion, it has a one - piece ashtabula (I think that's how it's spelled) crank and a matching BB for it. For starters you'll need an adapter to retrofit the frame for modern 2 piece cranksets if you plan to do so in the future. The continental is made of cheap high tensile steel tubing meaning it'll be heavy to boot. Considering the amount of cro-mo 80's bikes out there with modern BB shells and lighter tubing and not to mention not in need of fork replacement, I'd definitely leave this as is and start elsewhere unless this bike embodies some emotional or sentimental ties to you worth spending on.

If you choose the path of retaining a more stock geometry by going with another 27" fork but upgrading to a modern 700C wheelset out of convenience and modern dual pivot brake caliper, you'll need a long reach caliper.

I see your point there... Obviously it's not very sentimental coming off of CL, the main attraction is the quirky factor.

Out of curiosity at this point, what would be considered an "intermediate" step in fixed gear? Is that something in the Kilo TT range or perhaps a bike that I could build up starting with a nicer 80s/90s road frame? I enjoy the build almost as much as the ride.

While I haven't had the bike for long or had a taste of a "real" fixed gear, I really like the experience. The fun and feeling of speed is something completely missing from my geared bikes (which are all off-road, but still).

Why do so many 70's Continentals have bent forks? It seems like they all have this problem.

They were made to crash.

Out of curiosity at this point, what would be considered an "intermediate" step in fixed gear? Is that something in the Kilo TT range or perhaps a bike that I could build up starting with a nicer 80s/90s road frame? I enjoy the build almost as much as the ride.

The only way to really figure out what works for you is to just start riding. The fastest and cheapest way to get started with something good is to just get a complete bike. A Kilo TT would be a good choice and will work tens times better than your current bike. As you ride you will develop opinions about what works for you and what doesn't. Then you can build the perfect bike. If you go the other route, and build a bike from scratch without much riding experience, you'll probably end up spending more money than necessary and likely end up with something that doesn't suit your needs well.

careful there, the kilo uses a 1" steerer tube not 1 1/8thmihlbach (http://www.bikeforums.net/member.php/44824-mihlbach)

careful there, the kilo uses obsolete steerer tube not 1 1/8thmihlbach (http://www.bikeforums.net/member.php/44824-mihlbach)





ftfy

careful there, the kilo uses a 1" steerer tube not 1 1/8thmihlbach (http://www.bikeforums.net/member.php/44824-mihlbach)






Makes no sense...the OP isn't trying to retrofit the Kilo TT fork to his beater. Who cares if its 1" or 1 1/8" If I were spending $1000 I might worry about those details. Its a non issue.

careful there, the kilo uses a 1" steerer tube not 1 1/8thmihlbach (http://www.bikeforums.net/member.php/44824-mihlbach)






Might have been funny if the Kilo had a threaded stem.

thanks bat that is what i was getting at.

Anyone who argues that threaded stems are obsolete better argue that threaded stems' brother, the one inch steerer, is also obsolete.

Shims mang.

Anyone who argues that threaded stems are obsolete better argue that threaded stems' brother, the one inch steerer, is also obsolete.
What's a threaded stem? Do you mean a quill stem?

I would say that a 1" steerer tube nearly obsolete. It's days are certainly numbered.

I would say that a 1" steerer tube nearly obsolete. It's days are certainly numbered.

I doubt it. There are a lot of quality steel frame manufacturers utilizing a 1" steerer.

And yes, I can provide examples: Pelizzoli and Dodici.

I doubt it. There are a lot of quality steel frame manufacturers utilizing a 1" steerer.

And yes, I can provide examples: Pelizzoli and Dodici.It's not dead yet, but it is circling the drain.

There is no benefit in a 1" steerer, over a 1.125. It's just a matter of time before it's gone.

I doubt it. There are a lot of quality steel frame manufacturers utilizing a 1" steerer.

And yes, I can provide examples: Pelizzoli and Dodici.

Richard Sachs

That derailed quickly... If you guys don't watch it, I'm going to pick up a "sw8" Thruster fixie and start asking questions about that.

I spent some time browsing bike shops and the interwebs today, and finally come to the conclusion that "the right bike" isn't really there at this point. As I see it, the only thing fundamentally wrong with this one is the bent fork and the wheels. I have a non-tweaked fork from a Ross Gran Tour II, and a 3-piece Takagi Tourney 170mm crank set that may go on with an adapter (if it's not too long). I'll pick up a better quality ~$200 700c wheel set that wouldn't be out of place on a more advanced frame in the future. It won't be super light or trackstar whatever, but I think it'll get the job done.

Completely off base or ?

I doubt it. There are a lot of quality steel frame manufacturers utilizing a 1" steerer.

And yes, I can provide examples: Pelizzoli and Dodici .

+Richard SachsThanks for making my point more clear. The 1" steerer is dead.

There are a few custom builders that make pennyfarthings, but I'd still say they are obsolete.

Its kinda silly to say that 1" threadless headsets are obsolete and at the same time poke fun of me for saying that threaded systems are obsolete.
Threadless headsets of any diameter are not obsolete. 1" threadless is the same technology as 1 1/8". The only difference is the steering tube diameter. Its nonsensical to say that an inch is obsolete.

Threaded, regardless of diameter, on the other hand, is a technology that is being gradually replaced, except for a few backwards holdouts. Its obsolete.

You all can go cry and ***** about it more of you want to. This has nothing to do with what I think about threaded steereer systems (I do own a few). Just because you happen like something doesn't make it immune from obsolescence.

Thanks for making my point more clear. The 1" steerer is dead.

There are a few custom builders that make pennyfarthings, but I'd still say they are obsolete.

Just what this forum needs - more snobbery.

I'll call EAI on Monday and tell Dave he needs to throw all those useless Godzilla framesets in the dumpster.

correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Richard Sachs' cyclocross team wins a lot of races also.

Threaded, regardless of diameter, on the other hand, is a technology that is being gradually replaced, except for a few backwards holdouts. Its obsolete.

While I do understand what you're saying, I think "obsolete" is the wrong word. Four-barrel carburetors may be "obsolete" in some sense too - but there are a lot of people into classic muscle cars (simply because they are classic muscle cars) who are still buying them. The same goes for bikes and some people really enjoy the classic aesthetic of a quill stem and threaded headset.

I know, I know..."A bike is nothing more than a tool and bla bla bla". I disagree.

he sounds like the kind of person who would try and convince the guy building of a 55 chevy 2 door that he should use EFI instead of a carb setup because its more efficient or that the corvette motor is obsolete because they use pushrods.

Lots of people make hobbies out of obsolete things. Theres nothing wrong with that. And just because some people still use them doesnt invalidate obsolescence either.

Threaded stems are either obsolete or trending that direction. Threaded stem technology has stopped evolving, and good quill stems are meant to mimick old designs, not push boundaries.
You cant easily make the same case for fixed gears, since fg gear bikes are still state of the art in trackracing. and fg technology design is still evolving. There are a wide variety of hub-cog interfaces, for example. The jury is still out on which of these is really the best.

Bikes, in general, are not obsolete. Bikes are in widespread use all over the world, and for many people are the most practical and/or only available mode of mechanical transportation. Bike technology is rapidly evolving (rendering some of it obsolete). And bikes are still THE most efficient mode of human powered transportation.
Bikes are far from obsolete.

alot of people would say bikes in general are obsolete as well. but you dont see people going around here and spouting that drivel?

the thing is, for those of us who prefer 1" threaded, we dont care if its obsolete, heavier or less stiff and we also dont want to hear you chime in with your stupid opinions about them.

so save your reasons and opinions and "facts" for those who actually want to debate it.

Thank you for your brilliant insight. I am a a better person for having read your post.

glad to know i could be of some assistant.

Allow me to return the favor...

http://www.englishmaven.org/Pages/Reading%20Comprehension.htm

brilliant retort my dear chap.

I'm not sure you got the joke.
Who brought the headset debate to this thread?

do you like butter on your toast?

do you like butter on your toast?

Paleo, but grape nuts and bran on occasion.

Lots of people make hobbies out of obsolete things.

Yours is obviously being a db on the internet.

Hello Pot.


When will you learn to not feed the troll?
Merry xmas!

You're right, man. Saying that people are allowed to like what they want regardless of someone else's opinion is totally out of line. I'm sorry.

For lunch today I had homemade french onion soup and toasted french bread.

I made a grilled chorizo, poblano pepper and jack cheese quesadilla on a habanero lime tortilla topped with a dab of sour cream and homemade pico de gallo. It was delicious.

That derailed quickly... If you guys don't watch it, I'm going to pick up a "sw8" Thruster fixie and start asking questions about that.

I spent some time browsing bike shops and the interwebs today, and finally come to the conclusion that "the right bike" isn't really there at this point. As I see it, the only thing fundamentally wrong with this one is the bent fork and the wheels. I have a non-tweaked fork from a Ross Gran Tour II, and a 3-piece Takagi Tourney 170mm crank set that may go on with an adapter (if it's not too long). I'll pick up a better quality ~$200 700c wheel set that wouldn't be out of place on a more advanced frame in the future. It won't be super light or trackstar whatever, but I think it'll get the job done.

Completely off base or ?


That's a fine plan. 700c is a good idea if you want to switch over the parts you put on this bike to a nicer frame in the future. It sounds like you've got the "on a budget" thing figured out so just make the necessary changes and keep riding.

I made a grilled chorizo, poblano pepper and jack cheese quesadilla on a habanero lime tortilla topped with a dab of sour cream and homemade pico de gallo. It was delicious.

If I ever come to MA can I pay you to be my chef?

I made a grilled chorizo, poblano pepper and jack cheese quesadilla on a habanero lime tortilla topped with a dab of sour cream and homemade pico de gallo. It was delicious.

Sounds delicious.

So we have Poblano and Habanero peppers disclosed and probably Serranos or Jalapenos in the pico.

Pepper power!

That's a fine plan. 700c is a good idea if you want to switch over the parts you put on this bike to a nicer frame in the future. It sounds like you've got the "on a budget" thing figured out so just make the necessary changes and keep riding.

I umm.. might have made the mistake of test riding a few bikes yesterday, and that whole new wheel set thing didn't work out so well. A rather attractive 2010 Felt Gridloc in showroom condition followed me home for about half the original price (with a one speed fixed wheel set). It took some time for the aluminum/carbon and colors to grow on me, but that was only before riding it. Still need to adjust it some. I've already put about 20+ miles on it. Snagged a cell phone picture at the beach this morning (complete with dog photo bomb):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ljng6vEu3aE/UNcgmoYl3FI/AAAAAAAABHw/XDwTTpuHIvY/s800/IMG_20121223_074506.jpg

glad to know i could be of some assistant.

Someone has to sig this.

also, shut up y'all.