"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Is Greg Lemond on Crack?

Ok so I was reading over some news bits at velonews and I read about Lemond being in court and telling the jury "neither his stardom nor his marketing appeal has been eclipsed by Armstrong,"

What is he smoking? I mean maybe I am new school or something, I remember Greg Winning the TDF and sure he was a star and one of my favs but to say Armstrong isn't bigger now is just crazy and delusional even.

How about this line "LeMond explained further that he believed his "LeMond" brand could become a household name "like Calvin Klein" in testimony Monday."?

Dude needs to put down the crack pipe. :D

I think he's actually HURT his marketing appeal with some of the asinine stuff he's had to say about Armstrong over the years. I hate it when athletes can't relinquish their crown gracefully. Hinault and Merckx are always gracious in their interviews, as far as I can tell.

Eclipse means to obscure. Have Armstrong's accomplishments obscured/eclipsed Lemonds? Not to me. Perhaps his accomplishments have surpassed Greg's, but not eclipsed. And Lemond says LA hasn't pushed Lemond out of the marketing spotlight, which is true. Just look at all the users of Lemond products on this forum.

And just because he believed something could happen with the proper marketing, doesn't mean he's deluded(on crack :rolleyes: ). Business plans fail because of bad marketing.

Looks like someone owns a Lemond... ;)

I think he's actually HURT his marketing appeal with some of the asinine stuff he's had to say about Armstrong over the years. I hate it when athletes can't relinquish their crown gracefully. Hinault and Merckx are always gracious in their interviews, as far as I can tell.
Agreed. In fact, I'll never buy a Lemond bike.

No one knows Greg outside of cycling. Non-cyclists know who Lance. You wear a yellow jersey on your bike and non-cyclists will yell "go lance!" :lol:

Looks like someone owns a Lemond... ;)

Actually I don't and wouldn't, because I don't like their frame designs, not because of anything related to Greg.

But on this topic, I read an article about this a few days ago on Yahoo, and when I read it, I wondered if anyone had seen Lemond branded products at Target? I don't shop in Target but rarely and have never had a reason to go into their bike section. Do they or did they carry Lemond products there?

...I wondered if anyone had seen Lemond branded products at Target? I don't shop in Target but rarely and have never had a reason to go into their bike section. Do they or did they carry Lemond products there?
That would be the death of any high-end brand, so I'd be shocked.

Ok so I was reading over some news bits at velonews and I read about Lemond being in court and telling the jury "neither his stardom nor his marketing appeal has been eclipsed by Armstrong,"

Add ",in his own mind" to the end of that statement, and ding, ding, you've got yourself a winner! :D

I'll walk over to a 40 year old co-worker non-cyclist right now and ask who LA is and ask who LeMond is. She was around in the LeMond era, I bet she's never haerd of him.

And I think eclipse would mean to cast a shodow on something by stepping into the light. Which Lance has done.

I won't say LeMond is on crack because that would be pulling a 'LeMond', accusing someone of drug use with no evidence.

That would be the death of any high-end brand, so I'd be shocked.

Really. Considering that Target is one of the two largest, most successful retailers in the country, and that Target has made it's name by marketing discounted brand name products and is known as the "designer label" discounter, why would you say this?

Add to this that Lemond's lawsuit against the company in question is specifically related to their removal of his products from Target and their replacement of those products with the Schwinn branded products, why would you be shocked to see his products in Target when he had a contract with this distributor to have them there?

I agree with Lord Opie. Selling your product in Target would make your brand drop off the side of the cycling world and into the realm of bike owners. When I want a cheap bag of nachos, I'll go to a dept store. When I want a Bicycle, I'll go to a bike shop.

Granted it is a little odd if Greg said his product line will become a household name, as no bike or related product I can think of would fall into the "household name" category. But to say LA's accomplishments have not eclipsed his own is a totally resonable thing to say. Greg will always be remembered for his unique and various accomplishments and acheivements, Lance will be remebered for different things. Perhaps Lance will be remebered by more people than Greg but that doesn't detract from what Greg has done in anyway.

Maybe Greg will also be remebered as one of the few cyclists to speak his opinion and not worry about how it will be perceived by the public even if it hurts his business. Greg has a lot more conviction (not to mention balls) than a lot of people in the cycling world.

I own a Rocky Mountain, Pinarello, Eddy Merckx, and a LeMond. Go Greg!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd heard Lemond had his name on some X-mart junk, but haven't seen any because I don't shop at those places! (I'm so LA-DEE-DA!)

Not to badmouth his bikes, they are very nice!

Really. Considering that Target is one of the two largest, most successful retailers in the country, and that Target has made it's name by marketing discounted brand name products and is known as the "designer label" discounter, why would you say this?

Add to this that Lemond's lawsuit against the company in question is specifically related to their removal of his products from Target and their replacement of those products with the Schwinn branded products, why would you be shocked to see his products in Target when he had a contract with this distributor to have them there?
you're confusing "brand" with "revenue".

Perfect example is Vlassic pickles at Wal-Mart. They were the elite, now they're just one of the many. And that's just a pickle :)

Ha! Huffy track bike! (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=86638) is a perfect example... who respects Huffy? No one. Once the ignorant (like me) learn it's a serotta, our opinions change completely.

you're confusing "brand" with "revenue".

Perfect example is Vlassic pickles at Wal-Mart. They were the elite, now they're just one of the many. And that's just a pickle :)

Really. So you're saying what, that Target is the second largest retailer, not of brands, but of revenues? And I'm confused? OK. :roflmao:

If Lemond wanted his "brand"(no confusion there about what I'm trying to say, Lorddopie) in Target, don't you think there is a reason for that? Do you think he makes decisions based on your perceptions of what happens to brands or based on marketing studies of what happens to brands? Why does Schwinn what it's "brand" in Target? Possibly to maximise sales and exposure?

no bike or related product I can think of would fall into the "household name" category.

I might argue that Schwinn is just such a product. Maybe not so much anymore, now that they've had so much financial difficulty, and the new move into Target. But just a few years back when I was working at an IBD every day some mom and pop looking for a Bike would come in ask where the Schwinn's where.

I can't quite figure LeMond out. Every time he opens his mouth in the public he seems like he says something that makes him look crazy. But he doesn't do it very often and the rest of his life is managed so well it's hard to give much weight to the weird stuff.

Really. So you're saying what, that Target is the second largest retailer, not of brands, but of revenues? And I'm confused? OK. :roflmao:

If Lemond wanted his "brand"(no confusion there about what I'm trying to say, Lorddopie) in Target, don't you think there is a reason for that? Do you think he makes decisions based on your perceptions of what happens to brands or based on marketing studies of what happens to brands? Why does Schwinn what it's "brand" in Target? Possibly to maximise sales and exposure?
yes yes, you don't like me, get over yourself.

I said Target, et al. would be the death of any high-end brand. Would you agree with that?

yes yes, you don't like me, get over yourself.
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I said Target, et al. would be the death of any high-end brand. Would you agree with that?
By et al, I'm assuming you mean all discounters and mass retailers, like say Kmart?...and the Martha Stewart brand? :rolleyes:

*sigh*

okay, you win. I won't type with you any more.

wow this has taken a strange personally attacking turn. Play nice folks.

Ok so I was reading over some news bits at velonews and I read about Lemond being in court and telling the jury "neither his stardom nor his marketing appeal has been eclipsed by Armstrong,"

What is he smoking? I mean maybe I am new school or something, I remember Greg Winning the TDF and sure he was a star and one of my favs but to say Armstrong isn't bigger now is just crazy and delusional even.

How about this line "LeMond explained further that he believed his "LeMond" brand could become a household name "like Calvin Klein" in testimony Monday."?

Dude needs to put down the crack pipe. :D


I don't know the details of the court case he's involved in, but LeMond has a nice, juicy contract with StairMaster. StairMaster was it's own monster until it was acquired by Nautilus (who also bought Schwinn Fitness and Bowflex). The moneymaking potential for LeMond to have his RevMaster indoor bikes and all products from the RevMaster line of his indoor cycling bikes have enormous potential for Greg to bank some serious cash. Schwinn fitness had a relationship with Johnny G to make the Johnny G bikes, and until that relationship soured (when Nautilus bought Schwinn), Schwinn made the Johnny G bikes. Once Johnny G broke off his relationship with Schwinn and allied himself with StarTrac, Schwinn was free to take the Johnny G design (the only thing Johnny G owned from the bike he created was the seat design) and develop their own fitness program and bike. With the money backing of Nautilus, Schwinn was able to pull themselves out of bankruptcy and do just that, and at the same time, mass produce bikes for stores like Target and Walmart. Now, it looks as though Lemond, who was part of the Stairmaster group, could have also benefitted greatly from the same type of support from Nautilus and positioned himself as a huge player in the fitness industry. If I were in his shoes, I'd go to court and tell them just about anything to make sure Target honored their contract with me. He'd be crazy not to go to court over this. The money lost from the Revmaster line would be too great a potential to not go to court and sue.

I am just speculating, but if this is the issue (which I suspect it is, since Nautilus has a huge contract with these big time stores to sell its subsidiaries' products on its shelves), he better be saying he made the moon too.... he's about to lose a lot of money if he loses in court.

Stairmaster and Nautilus could stand to lose also. I'm sure Lemond had a contract with Stairmaster, and when that contract expires, Lemond is free to walk with his bike and ally himself with other major players in the fitness industry. I'm sure Stairmaster doesn't want that.

Koffee

Ya, I go to Target for all my Gucci needs.

Schwinn I guess would be a household name. But don't try to deny that if you went into the mall and saw new LEMONDS Disco Jeans you would snag a pair right then and there. ;)

The article was quoting Greg when he was discussing how the distributor he was working with wasn't holding up their end of the contract in regards to marketing. He lent his name to some lower end bike stuff and they were supposed to market the heck out of it and distribute the stuff in low end retail markets like target and kmart. Basically, they decided to not market him, his image, or even let him know about it until much later. Even though he was getting paid big bucks, I think he was screwed. Greg was not on crack IMHO.

play nice..?

greg lemond was the first, second and third american to win the tour. that is his legacy. he is still the greatest in my mind, because he won before his stint on his death bead then came back to win more. and he was no less near death than lance was. how many would lemond have won had he not been shot? i'm sorry, but i don't think lance armstrong is any more of a hero than greg lemond just because he had cancer and greg was shot. *****, i think i'm gonna go have some "hunting accident awareness" bracelettes made. also, no one ever accused greg lemond of doping, while lance can't seem to disassociate himself from that discussion.

lance armstrong is only marketable because nike made it that way. nike has shoved lance down our throats for about 7 years now. i can't believe no one is sick of it. do not be surprised if we find out that lance's bat is corked, because if it isn't then he's the ONLY "super athlete" that isn't carrying one.

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By et al, I'm assuming you mean all discounters and mass retailers, like say Kmart?...and the Martha Stewart brand? :rolleyes:
Opie's not the only one who's noticed the fact that you're an "internet stalker". I think Lemond must've passed the crackpipe to you. What a loser.

The article was quoting Greg when he was discussing how the distributor he was working with wasn't holding up their end of the contract in regards to marketing. He lent his name to some lower end bike stuff and they were supposed to market the heck out of it and distribute the stuff in low end retail markets like target and kmart. Basically, they decided to not market him, his image, or even let him know about it until much later. Even though he was getting paid big bucks, I think he was screwed. Greg was not on crack IMHO.

You're right he is getting screwed. They had a contract worth 5 million to Greg and they now want to buy it out for 1.1 million. I'd say that the 4.9 million Lemond stands to lose is worth going to court over.

The article was quoting Greg when he was discussing how the distributor he was working with wasn't holding up their end of the contract in regards to marketing. He lent his name to some lower end bike stuff and they were supposed to market the heck out of it and distribute the stuff in low end retail markets like target and kmart. Basically, they decided to not market him, his image, or even let him know about it until much later. Even though he was getting paid big bucks, I think he was screwed. Greg was not on crack IMHO.


Yes. The court case was related to Pacific, the company that owns Nautilus. So I'm sure bikes are involved, but Pacific has a lot to do with the fitness industry in general. LeMond had a huge money making potential with doing the mass produced stuff- bikes and indoor fitness equipment. That's exactly what Pacific did with Schwinn- they mass produced the Schwinn bikes, but part 2 of the Schwinn story was to mass produce as much as they could for the fitness industry too and push the Schwinn product throughout the fitness industry, both in the clubs as well as these Target and Walmart stores. If LeMond knew the history of Schwinn and how much money was made off the Schwinn deal, he would have known how much money he could have made.

The only thing that surprises me about the whole deal is that LeMond wasn't on top of all the stuff from the get-go... all the marketing and promotional stuff, and making sure his image was front and center. The fact that he was off-guard when he "discovered" he'd been dropped tells me he didn't follow through or take the time to ensure that his name would be advertised enough so that he would have the name recognition of Armstrong. He's probably kicking himself for slacking off.

Koffee

...do not be surprised if we find out that lance's bat is corked, because if it isn't then he's the ONLY "super athlete" that isn't carrying one.
did you see the South Park episode where Jimmy is doping? At the end, he confeses and standing beside him, looking sheepish is Bonds, and two others accused of doping. :lol:

My point? uhh, did I have to have one?

Ok so I was reading over some news bits at velonews and I read about Lemond being in court and telling the jury "neither his stardom nor his marketing appeal has been eclipsed by Armstrong,"

What is he smoking? I mean maybe I am new school or something, I remember Greg Winning the TDF and sure he was a star and one of my favs but to say Armstrong isn't bigger now is just crazy and delusional even.

How about this line "LeMond explained further that he believed his "LeMond" brand could become a household name "like Calvin Klein" in testimony Monday."?

Dude needs to put down the crack pipe. :D

Just another case of an ex great who can't stand being out of the limelight, but unfortunately has found a way to enter in a negative way.

Opie's not the only one who's noticed the fact that you're an "internet stalker". I think Lemond must've passed the crackpipe to you. What a loser. Some posts just make sense.

You're right he is getting screwed. They had a contract worth 5 million to Greg and they now want to buy it out for 1.1 million. I'd say that the 4.9 million Lemond stands to lose is worth going to court over.

Umm I know 5 minus 1.1 is 3.9. Is it different if you mulltiply by one million?

Some posts just make sense.
Click on don d's user name. Click on "find more posts by don d" It won't take long to figure out.

Opie's not the only one who's noticed the fact that you're an "internet stalker". I think Lemond must've passed the crackpipe to you. What a loser.

So someone disagrees with lorddopie and he's an internet stalker? :roflmao:

Please. If he doesn't want me to respond to him, then he shouldn't quote my posts. It's quite simple. Since he quoted me first in this thread, I guess he's the stalker here? :rolleyes:

Just another case of an ex great who can't stand being out of the limelight, but unfortunately has found a way to enter in a negative way.
Agreed.

What's really sad is that Greg, before he started saying stupid stuff, should've gotten a publicist to help him, cuz his story really is amazing.

Actually I don't and wouldn't, because I don't like their frame designs, not because of anything related to Greg.

But on this topic, I read an article about this a few days ago on Yahoo, and when I read it, I wondered if anyone had seen Lemond branded products at Target? I don't shop in Target but rarely and have never had a reason to go into their bike section. Do they or did they carry Lemond products there?

Actually it is a little funny. I don't like a lot of the things Greg says and have issues with a lot of it but I DO like the Lemond Bikes and use Lemond Le Wedges in my shoes. As for the stuff from Target I had a Lemond mini pump from Target. Worked pretty well but it broke. The Target here doesn't sell the stuff anymore and it has been replaced with Schwinn stuff.

Click on don d's user name. Click on "find more posts by don d" It won't take long to figure out.
Go back and look at your own posts? :roflmao: I'm not the first one who's leveled the accusation. Play dumb. Use smilies.

I won't say LeMond is on crack because that would be pulling a 'LeMond', accusing someone of drug use with no evidence.

I dont' know I would think that these statements are a bit of evidence that he must be on crack. LOL :D

Click on don d's user name. Click on "find more posts by don d" It won't take long to figure out. I agree with you, I have seen some of his posts.

Click on don d's user name. Click on "find more posts by don d" It won't take long to figure out.


yechhh, amazing how some people can be so insipid. Maybe he has trouble at home.
I guess the people you meet and have a good time with equal it out enough to keep coming back.

I agree with you, I have seen some of his posts.

You mean like this one by lorddopie where he posts inaccurate information to a thread, is corrected, then responds with an obscenity laced diatribe? This is the stuff you're defending, coldspark?

www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=878511#post878511

Of course the thread had to be taken down which contained his derisive photo of children in the Special Olympics with Downs Syndrome.

Chose your friends carefully. Since I responded to your post, am I stalking you now too? :rolleyes:

uhh, oldspark isn't defending me. In fact, whatever I said to you, doesn't compare to how I truly upset him. I posted something that affected him on a personal level.

Anyway, I'm a dick. I piss people off, but really, you should've left that garbage in that thread or PMed me to complain instead of ruining Grasschopper's thread.

Can we get back to Greg being a crackhead? ;)

uhh, oldspark isn't defending me. In fact, whatever I said to you, doesn't compare to how I truly upset him. I posted something that affected him on a personal level.

Anyway, I'm a dick. I piss people off, but really, you should've left that garbage in that thread or PMed me to complain instead of ruining Grasschopper's thread.

Can we get back to Greg being a crackhead? ;)

I suggest you look back in this thread and see who quoted who first, who called who confused, etc.... Then see who ruined the thread. Transference of responsibility is a basic form of self delusion.

my apologies everyone. Don, check your PMs.

play nice..?



I was referring to LordOpie and Don D. See further comments that followed.

Hmmm... if we can't get the thread on track, maybe we can just close it?

Koffee

Hmmm... if we can't get the thread on track, maybe we can just close it?

Koffee

Actually I wanted to respond to your posts but can't find the original article I read about this.

Sorry to everyone if I can't sit by and let someone take a ***** on me, but that's just me. :(

This article?

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/10783041.htm

Koffee