Classic & Vintage - Define blasphemy....

Fundamentalists, avert your eyes;)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/Bulldozer27/P1080769_zps064c8e18.jpg

Not too bad, at least they aren't "Antlers"! Headset....CLUNKY....but it IS what it is. All together, it works pretty well together, but definitely a MODERN look to it. The shape of the bars does clash a bit with "Old School" but I suppose they are more comfy on the hands. Looks like a sweet ride to me....but MAY get kicked out of the C&V area! :-O

You bad, bad man. :thumb: That's a great way to evangelize the carbon fibre crowd, so prepare for the attention it's going to recieve.

The seat post and stem are a little much but other than that it looks good to me.

It's not like you turned it into a fixie!

I don't get it.

I just dressed a Colnago Neuvo Mexico in black and carbon fiber :)

For what it's worth, ergo bend bars came about in the 80s and predate a good number of "c&v" frames.

Yet another perfect build ruined by the owner failing to align the tire labels with the valve stems.

Yet another perfect build ruined by the owner failing to align the tire labels with the valve stems.

I consider perpendicular acceptable (and standard with some tubulars)

Yet another perfect build ruined by the owner failing to align the tire labels with the valve stems.

Heretic.

Better pic:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/Bulldozer27/P1080769_zps064c8e18.jpg

Aside from the stem, not horrible.

At least you will not be subject to the HORRORS of...

THE COMFY CHAIR!


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Nice hot rod you have there!

As long as you ride the tires off her, it's all good by me.

Red, Italian and Campy.

It's all there!

What wheelset did you go with?

Belongs somewhere else besides the C&V forum, perhaps, but that doesn't stop a third of the posts here. Nice bike.

You've transgressed the unwritten rules - don't ask me what they are, I've never read them!

Seriously sweet-looking ride!

I agree, it is all there.
Very nice ride.
If you riding it, that is all that counts.

Belongs somewhere else besides the C&V forum, perhaps, but that doesn't stop a third of the posts here. Nice bike.

A mid 80's steel, lugged De Rosa with Record 8s doesn't belong here?

The stem should be quill, but apart from that, it belongs.

A mid 80's steel, lugged De Rosa with Record 8s doesn't belong here?

The stem should be quill, but apart from that, it belongs.

Agreed.

This matter is very simple.

If the post doesn't interest me, I simply don't read it.

A mid 80's steel, lugged De Rosa with Record 8s doesn't belong here?

+1! My view is the frame and fork with original paint and decals accounts for 51% of a bikes identity. That's the heart and soul of a bike.

Yet another perfect build ruined by the owner failing to align the tire labels with the valve stems.

Sorry about that, it was kinda late last night when I mounted them.

The headset (early C Record) looks clunky because it and the bottle cages (Blackburn) are the only C&V components, unless the 9spd Record Ti group is considered C&V.

The wheels are NOS '10 Ksyrium Elites.

I have a Tommasini that is fully C&V, and that's enough for me. While I love vintage steel for comfort and soul, i don't care for skinny noodly bars and stems, heavy and noodly vintage wheels, or downtube shifters that cause butt-clenching moments while descending. This is maybe my main ride, hence the modern components on the vintage frameset. Thanks for both the kind words and the damnation:)

Sweet bike! I personally think the stem in particular is kinda ugly and bulky on that frame(should be on some thick, pointy tubed carbon something-or-other frame) and I'd change out the post for something in silver to match a silver vintage stem, but that's just being picky. It's a really nice bike. Maybe it's because I'm younger than most here, but I love a modern drive-train on a nice vintage frame. Best of both worlds.

It looks fast standing still

fantastic bike and build. Though the seatpost is a little iffy, but it still looks like a million bucks. Congratulations on the build and many happy miles to you, sir.

Better pic:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/Bulldozer27/P1080769_zps064c8e18.jpg

Aside from the stem, not horrible.

Well, actually the chain needs to be on the big ring for a photograph, and the background should be plain white, or light colour! ;)

- Wil

Oh thank God it was only a De Rosa!

Still a mechanical group? It takes more than that to shock us. ;)

This matter is very simple.

If the post doesn't interest me, I simply don't read it.

talk about blasphemy!

Well, actually the chain needs to be on the big ring for a photograph, and the background should be plain white, or light colour, so better change the garage-door next time! ;)

- Wil

and remove those heavy valve stem caps

At least you will not be subject to the HORRORS of...

THE COMFY CHAIR!


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No one ever expects the DeRosa Inquisition!! :lol:

OK, I have a rail and a bucket of tar but I'm out of feathers. Who has some chicken feathers? Let's get this party started.

Silver Thomson

I warned my best friend about using this Asian crank assembly on an otherwise completely Italian equipped bicycle...

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Then, a few years later, my friend broke the bike up and the new owner did this...

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You decide which was blasphemous in nature..?

Personally, I like the OP's DeRosa!

Belongs somewhere else besides the C&V forum, perhaps, but that doesn't stop a third of the posts here. Nice bike.

I think it's a great bike, and it's no more off-topic than the other "ergos/modern gruppo on vintage steel" thread, that has been going on for maybe 5 years.

Like!
If it was bought as a bare frame and not something insanely rare I'm good with it as long is it doesn't come out as looking like a hipster bike with 200mm rims. I happen to really like STI and Ergo shifting and it can be done in a tasteful manner as was done on this DeRosa.

"Bolt on" parts are just as easily "bolted off" so no harm was done to the frame just the ego of purists.

If this is C&V blasphemy then there are a lot of them here. Between the Retro Roadie thread and ones like this it would seem we are here in numbers.

Like the De Rosa BTW except the stem choice.

OK. Point taken. It's all a matter of opinion. Nothing about that bike, aside from the frame perhaps, is C&V to me. But I did add that I thought it was a nice bike. How we each define "Classic and Vintage" is of course very subjective. If my opinion has offended anyone, my apologies.

Belongs somewhere else besides the C&V forum, perhaps, but that doesn't stop a third of the posts here. Nice bike.
Well I'll say that it covers 2/3rds since a significant portion of vintage bikes posted here aren't classics ;)

For me this De Rosa build is really ruined by the stem and post...and I don't think the weight/function advantage justifies the aesthetic disadvantage...but it's really about what you like, and a red de rosa with ergos gets my seal of approval!

I think that 9sp gruppo is one of the most beautiful, and awesome, ever assembled. The alloy campy groups are, for me, perfection. I think that's also the most attractive cotter less crankset man has built.

OK. Point taken. It's all a matter of opinion. Nothing about that bike, aside from the frame perhaps, is C&V to me. But I did add that I thought it was a nice bike. How we each define "Classic and Vintage" is of course very subjective. If my opinion has offended anyone, my apologies.

Here's the thing though.

Look at the wide range of topics on this forum.

Food
Hi fi equipment
Mountain bikes
Classic touring bicycles
Classic racing bicycles
Modern bicycles with classic lines/appeal
Diego Garcia
Schwinns
Confente
Music
Books
Lance
TDF
L 'Eroica
Gravel Grinders
Etc.

That a De Rosa is posted with modern Campy parts certainly doesn't ruffle my feathers.

Makes as much "sense" as anything else around here.

Well, you are right Gomango. Plenty of stuff on here that isn't C&V. Including stuff I've posted, to be sure. But it might be mistaken to assume that that bike ruffled my feathers. It didn't. The OP asked members to define blasphemy. While I wouldn't go that far, I did include an opinion. I did compliment the bike. I stand by my opinion, but I should have kept it to myself.

Well, you are right Gomango. Plenty of stuff on here that isn't C&V. Including stuff I've posted, to be sure. But it might be mistaken to assume that that bike ruffled my feathers. It didn't. The OP asked members to define blasphemy. While I wouldn't go that far, I did include an opinion. I did compliment the bike. I stand by my opinion, but I should have kept it to myself.

No feathers have been ruffled in the creating of this post!

No worries Rootboy! :)

No feathers have been ruffled in the creating of this post!

No worries Rootboy! :)

Thanks Gomango. Though I'm not sure I didn't ruffle some feathers. I obviously did. I tried, maybe not hard enough , to not disparage the OP's bike. I would never do that. Of course , what constitutes Classic & Vintage is different to different people and we've gone round and round on that one, ad nauseum. This forum is all inclusive, and that's a good thing. So my suggestion that the bike might be better posted elsewhere was off base.

Then, a few years later, my friend broke the bike up and the new owner did this...

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This should bother be on several levels but I actually like it.

The white look typically goes horribly wrong when you mount white tires on white wheels but somehow the Bianchi makes it work.

Well, you are right Gomango. Plenty of stuff on here that isn't C&V. Including stuff I've posted, to be sure. But it might be mistaken to assume that that bike ruffled my feathers. It didn't. The OP asked members to define blasphemy. While I wouldn't go that far, I did include an opinion. I did compliment the bike. I stand by my opinion, but I should have kept it to myself.

No feathers ruffled here. It's not like you're militant about your opinion and I can certainly respect your point of view. The way I see it there are a number of opinions concerning C&V and I don't think there is really a wrong or right position.

Yet another perfect build ruined by the owner failing to align the tire labels with the valve stems.
The horror, the horror......*

but not worthy of C&V's version of Taliban wrath. :thumb:
Killer build. Right in line with my take on things.

*a little Joseph Conrad.....

So I broke it in today, and I have to say that straying from doctrine has opened my eyes to a whole new world. I'm proud to be a heretic :D

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/Bulldozer27/20130121_165517_zpsae3019e8.jpg

I love it! Nicely done. I agree with others that a silver seatpost and stem would top it off nicely, but it's a beautiful bike as is.

The key for me is I feel that you've done a respectful and tasteful build, which in my mind transcends when the components happened to be manufactured.

Cheers! :thumb:

Edit: I think your bike is up to the task of the sometimes brutal 41 (the Road subforum). They have a "hot r not" thread, and I know your bike will get some love (and perhaps some "duh, that's thin for carbon" responses).

OK. Point taken. It's all a matter of opinion. Nothing about that bike, aside from the frame perhaps, is C&V to me. But I did add that I thought it was a nice bike. How we each define "Classic and Vintage" is of course very subjective. If my opinion has offended anyone, my apologies.

I don't think you offended anyone. It's not like you went on a rant full of four-letter-words. Don't worry about it. :)

And you're 100% correct that nothing about it is C&V except the frame. We just like it anyway. :P

This should bother be on several levels but I actually like it.

The white look typically goes horribly wrong when you mount white tires on white wheels but somehow the Bianchi makes it work.


Actually, I kind of like the way the build turned out, myself, though it is nothing I would ever do - again. In days gone bye, I did shoot for "bling" or what ever high visibility builds are called. These days, I shoot for subtly or elegant, as is the case with my ALAN Super Record (http://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpeeds_1/Feature_Bicycles/Feature_Bicycles_Itlay/ALAN_SuperRecord/ALAN_SUPER_RECORD_1_Start.htm).

Nice lookin' ride... :thumb:

I like the build as well ~ looks fast...! Although, I do agree that the only parts I'd most likely change would be the stem & seat post...but tain't my bike. As for the Ergos, why not? They've only been around for about 25 years or so...lol. I have them mounted on 3 vint bikes...function over form!

Fundamentalists, avert your eyes;)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/Bulldozer27/P1080769_zps064c8e18.jpg
I like it but remember, I'm an odd duck around here. Is that black on the seatpost normal, or a marker for height?

Very Nice bike. and if bits are not "100% vintage style" so be it Beauty and C&V are in the eye of the beholder.

Try as I might to keep an open mind, I simply don't like threadless headsets. For me they take away from the elegance of a bike, despite their technical superiority.