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I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing, if we should encourage bike lanes, and whether we should wear helmets....
Please, don't tell them about the chain lube wars.
Haha. Helps put it all in perspective doesn't it?
PaperBoy
02-09-05, 11:27 AM
Hey, didn't we take some sort of blood oath or something not to talk about the sanctum sanctorum to outsiders? I'm horrified at the thought of blinkies and helmets in the hands of the uninitiated! <GASP>
Daily Commute
02-09-05, 11:32 AM
I recognize the humor of the post, but, on a serious note. . .
Although things may get overheated from time to time, I think debate over the fine points of cycling shows the passion people on this forum have for cycling. Only someone who truly cares about cycling will get worked up about how to lube a chain. And, to be fair, bike lanes can radically change (for better or worse) the quality of cycling.
I'd much rather scroll through a heated discussion about what (mostly) experienced cyclists think about chain lube than what cyclists think about US policy in Iraq.
Hey, didn't we take some sort of blood oath or something not to talk about the sanctum sanctorum to outsiders? I'm horrified at the thought of blinkies and helmets in the hands of the uninitiated! <GASP>
Shoot, we haven't even worked out the issues of a handshake yet.
Daily Commute
02-09-05, 11:42 AM
Hey, didn't we take some sort of blood oath or something not to talk about the sanctum sanctorum to outsiders? I'm horrified at the thought of blinkies and helmets in the hands of the uninitiated! <GASP>
I think he has to kill his students, except for the ones who ride at least 2K non-trainer miles a year on a non-Wally-World bike, with proper lighting, a helmet, and a properly lubed chains (NO WD-40), while wearing non-team but otherwise cycling-specific clothes. In which case we can let them into the club.
P.S. They also have to both admire LA for his accomplishments and be annoyed by his fame.
I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing, if we should encourage bike lanes, and whether we should wear helmets....
Take that back, you hole!
;)
Tell that to your students. I just want to add to the acidity of the environment you say is in this forum. ;) :D
Koffee
zbicyclist
02-09-05, 11:44 AM
I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing,....
Makes at least as much sense as getting heated up over Michigan vs. Ohio State.
Oh, wait, they are GRAD students and therefore can pretend to be above all that. That's what they did when they were undergrads ... and will do again when they are asylumni.
Shoot, we haven't even worked out the issues of a handshake yet.
Well, at least we worked out the issue of the password...(squints in suspicion)... you DO know the password. Right?
Keep in mind that the arguments are so heated because the stakes are so small.
CMcMahon
02-09-05, 01:30 PM
I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing, if we should encourage bike lanes, and whether we should wear helmets....
If you think that's funny, you should have seen the reaction of the guys at the skatepark when I mentioned the thread where the guy got pissed off at me for calling him an idiot... for wanting to clear coat the expensive stickers he'd put on his carbon fiber wheel for protection.
I'd much rather scroll through a heated discussion about what (mostly) experienced cyclists think about chain lube than what cyclists think about US policy in Iraq.Don't get me started It'll be bad.
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/7903/easy1test3hw.jpg
Real bad. Part of the reason I stay out of P&R these days
trekkie820
02-09-05, 01:44 PM
At least it wasn't the obsession over grams or the trigger vs. gripshift wars that you told them about. Dare I ask what kind of lesson brought this up?
CrimsonEclipse
02-09-05, 02:02 PM
I think he has to kill his students, except for the ones who ride at least 2K non-trainer miles a year on a non-Wally-World bike, with proper lighting, a helmet, and a properly lubed chains (NO WD-40), while wearing non-team but otherwise cycling-specific clothes. In which case we can let them into the club.
wow, that was beautiful. 75% of the arguments in one easy paragraph.
CE
I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing, if we should encourage bike lanes, and whether we should wear helmets....
How about if it's sensible to support an arguement based on unfounded data and paraphrased studies?
2manybikes
02-09-05, 02:20 PM
How about if it's sensible to support an arguement based on unfounded data and paraphrased studies?
I really like this one!~ I'm a believer in not basing everything on a study in one location that may not agree with other studys. It's a big world out there.
At least it wasn't the obsession over grams or the trigger vs. gripshift wars that you told them about. Dare I ask what kind of lesson brought this up?
I was talking about how a lot of our face to face communication actually occurs on a non-verbal level. And, if you can't have things like body language, voice, facial expressions, and so forth to help convey meaning, it is harder to communicate. I was trying to think of people communicating completely without voice/non-verbal cues and these forums came to mind. I noticed that a lot of communications involve the perception that someone else doesn't understand or is misinterpreting something they wrote.
A student asked what the arguments were about. I told them - and they LAUGHED!!! :rolleyes:
Hey, didn't we take some sort of blood oath or something not to talk about the sanctum sanctorum to outsiders? I'm horrified at the thought of blinkies and helmets in the hands of the uninitiated! <GASP>
The first rule about bikeforums is you don't talk about about bikeforums...
I frequently laugh at some of the arguments also. It's as though the bike and this forum are sometimes all that we do in life. Much of the best parts of my life are off-topic to virtually al the threads in this forum, but when I'm here, this is what I am doing.
operator
02-09-05, 08:55 PM
The first rule about bikeforums is you don't talk about about bikeforums...
Looks like you broke your own rule already.
slotibartfast
02-09-05, 09:45 PM
Get them started on Campy vs. Shimano. They could get a thesis or two out of that.
Looks like you broke your own rule already.
The second rule of bikeforums is, you don't talk about bikeforums....
Looks like you broke your own rule already.
What do you expect from a dog that was launched into space 47 years ago?
Da Tinker
02-10-05, 05:07 AM
Let's introduce his class to the Underwear Nazi.
Travelinguyrt
02-10-05, 05:25 AM
NOW this is why I enjoy this place
Underwear Nazi
02-10-05, 07:32 AM
Let's introduce his class to the Underwear Nazi.
Yes. I think I'd enjoy being a guest lecturer.
Underwear Nazi
Achtung, baby!
closetbiker
02-10-05, 08:39 AM
How about if it's sensible to support an arguement based on unfounded data and paraphrased studies?
What about using selection bias, subjective validation, anecdotal evidence, and personal involvement to sway opinion?
Daily Commute
02-10-05, 09:46 AM
My favorite forum technique is to provide no evidence to support a claim, and then to say that you're right because no one else has produced evidence that you're wrong.
a2psyklnut
02-10-05, 09:54 AM
My favorite forum technique is provide no evidence to support a claim, and then to say that you're right because no one else has produced evidence that you're wrong.
You've just figured out Politics my friend. You running for President? I'll vote for you!
DnvrFox
02-10-05, 09:55 AM
Yes. I think I'd enjoy being a guest lecturer.
Underwear Nazi
Achtung, baby!
Only if I get equal time!
If you tell someone outside of BFN that you are a member of BFN, you DO have to kill them.
PaperBoy
02-10-05, 09:59 AM
My favorite forum technique is provide no evidence to support a claim, and then to say that you're right because no one else has produced evidence that you're wrong.
That sounds like my wife when she claims that I'm fooling around!
james Haury
02-10-05, 10:18 AM
I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing, if we should encourage bike lanes, and whether we should wear helmets....
I am regularly raked over the coals in the politics and religion forum and was vicously attacked for saying did not care for helmets personally, on a manufacturers folding bike forum it gets really nasty.
Underwear Nazi
02-10-05, 10:23 AM
Only if I get equal time!
You might want to re-think that Dnvr. Look at the controversy surrounding Harvard President Lawrence Summers who recently said that there may be a biological reason for the lack of women teaching mathematics and science. Or, consider the flap caused by Univeristy of Colorado professor Ward Churchill who wrote an essay blaming the victims of 9-11 for their own demise. This is not a good time to spout silly, baseless, unfactual opinions in an academic setting. I could easily see you getting tarred and feathered for telling college students to wear panties under their bike shorts. Really.
UN
Just looking out for your ass, Dnvr
DnvrFox
02-10-05, 10:39 AM
Just looking out for your ass, Dnvr
Which, by the way, is in great shape, due to my advanced prevention techniques.
A better comparison would be that I emulate Galileo and Copernicus, who knew the TRUTH despite religious ond other doctrine to the contrary.
"Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the truth shall make your ass sore free."
closetbiker
02-10-05, 12:42 PM
My favorite forum technique is to provide no evidence to support a claim, and then to say that you're right because no one else has produced evidence that you're wrong.
How about the technique of using counter-arguments based on points that have never been made?
PainTrain
02-10-05, 12:48 PM
What do you expect from a doh that was launched into space 47 years ago?
Did you mean to say 'dog'? Because the Simpsons has only been on since '89.
I find the idea of graduate students laughing at me . . . disconcerting. How bout THIS for extra credit: put them on a bike and have them ride through city traffic for an hour. Then see if they laugh. HARRUMPFFF.
Did you mean to say 'dog'? Because the Simpsons has only been on since '89.et tu PainTrain? et tu? :lol:
Typo that's been fixed sheesh
PainTrain
02-10-05, 03:38 PM
"Just hackin' on ya"
"Say, what did you kill that guy for?"
"He was hackin' on me."
-- 'Young Guns'
I thought this was supposed to be as secret society....crap....now the secret is out.....what will we do now that we have been "ratted out"?
Dchiefransom
02-10-05, 10:37 PM
What about using selection bias, subjective validation, anecdotal evidence, and personal involvement to sway opinion?
Is that another way to say "Life's Experiences"??
closetbiker
02-11-05, 07:57 AM
Is that another way to say "Life's Experiences"??
Kinda like, this is what happened in my life, so it's gonna happen to you weather you think so or not.
SamHouston
02-11-05, 08:01 AM
Kinda like, this is what happened in my life, so it's gonna happen to you weather you think so or not.
But much more like, this is what happened in my life, so it could happen to you whether you think so or not.
closetbiker
02-11-05, 08:28 AM
But much more like, this is what happened in my life, so it could happen to you whether you think so or not.
Oh, it could happen to you.
Is that the same as, I know someone (or knew someone who knew someone) who won the lottery, so I better buy a ticket too?
Now that's something grad students can laugh at!
I find the idea of graduate students laughing at me . . . disconcerting. How bout THIS for extra credit: put them on a bike and have them ride through city traffic for an hour. Then see if they laugh. HARRUMPFFF.
Actually, a couple of these students are pretty good cyclists. One is a tri-athlete whose husband was a Cat 1 racer...
iowarose
02-11-05, 11:44 AM
It's good for them to hear about stuff like this - maybe it will give them some perspective on their own debates. Because we all know that academics never get too charged up over what seem to be minor matters, right? (note that this is coming from an academic...)
Mars, what caused you to bring up bikeforums in class?
chicharron
02-11-05, 12:51 PM
I told my grad students today about how people on these forums get really mad at each other over issues like whether our blinkies should be steady or flashing, if we should encourage bike lanes, and whether we should wear helmets....
you should direct your students to the thread in "COMMUTING", about the "Professor in Handcuffs" People got really irate on that thread.
Ha, and I was the most irate one there. I actually mentioned that story to them as well. A lot of them had stories of campus police excesses, but no one had heard of a professor being cuffed before.
Iowarose: the topic came up when I was discussiong non-verbal communication and how much harder it is to convey meaning with just words. I mentioned the bike forums as an example of people communicating things that they care about without the benefit of gestures, facial expressions, voice tone, and so forth. I told them how many folks get pretty incensed and feel that they are not understood or are misquoted. One student asked what issues people got mad over....
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