General Cycling Discussion - Need help buying my first bike!

Hello all. I'm new to this forum and I think I'm ready to devote a part of my life to biking. I live in New York City and ride mainly on the city streets and bike paths. I want a bike that's easy to ride fast. I do not want a mt. bike. I was thinking about road bikes, but the skinny tire worries me. I will have to jump on and off 1"-6" curbs.

I've been reading lots and lots of topics here and I'm amazed of how much there is to learn about biking!

My budget is around $700 (I know I know I know...you can't get a real bike for that right? :( )

After net research, I've came down to these bikes:

- Jamis Coda (don't know price)
- Specialized Sirrus
- Jamis Aurora or Nova (don't know prices)

I thought the Sirrus was the perfect, but after reading lots of posts here, a few have complained about the handlebar's only position may get you tired.

That was the reason I included the Aurora & the Nova. I have questions about the drops. I've never owned a road bike before...so this may seem like a stupid question, but please bear with me. When I see others riding on the drops (is that what it's called?), it looks sooooooo tiring. I can't imagine myself riding like that for a long period of time. When I ride, I usually go with my friends who are more into slower/group/chat/riding (yes, most of them are females). Would I look like a fool if I ride on the drops with them? Can I ride on the top or on top of the brakes for a long period of time? Is it comfortable?

Are there bikes out there with the drops that have slightly fatter tires that I can use for the city? I do not want to worry about going on and off the curb. I also want a bike that would allow me to ride on easy dirt roads if I have to (roads such as parks, baseball fields, etc.)

I know I'm asking lots of questions, but I really want to get started on biking and would like to keep this bike for the long term.

Now in terms of frame materials....what's the difference between steal and the others? What can I get for my price range. How about the gears? What type is good and what should I stay away from?

Please list other bikes that are in my price range that you feel is a good beginner's bike for me. Thanks:)

BTW, I'm 5'8 and a huge 120-125lbs (bikers' body?). Not sure if height and weight plays a factor on the bike or not.

Hi,

I like the Sirrus since it doesn't seem as fragile as some other more-racing type bikes (though I'm sure they're sturdy too). About the hand positions on the Sirrus, I plan on getting bar ends put on, so that should be fine for adding a little variety.
I wrote more to one of your posts, I think in the introductions section.
I was on a pretty tight budget. Actually it started much less than the Sirrus but I don't think there's much out there for what I was looking to spend. Anyway last year I was riding a thrift-store Schwinn, so I just think of the money I saved, or something like that, and rewarded myself this year ;)
Brian

Originally posted by Cadd
BTW, I'm 5'8 and a huge 120-125lbs (bikers' body?). Not sure if height and weight plays a factor on the bike or not.
I am 5'9" and i am using a52 cm center to center frame bike, with the as a yardstick you can go from there, but if your spending $700.00 that's serious money go to your LBS, ask them to help you out the size of the bike frame that will fit you to T, then bike the bike you want and will be comfortable with it.

Originally posted by Cadd
When I ride, I usually go with my friends who are more into slower/group/chat/riding (yes, most of them are females).

Hey, watch it! There are a few women on this site that would probably whip you in a race...



Would I look like a fool if I ride on the drops with them? Can I ride on the top or on top of the brakes for a long period of time? Is it comfortable?


I ride on the drops going slowly because I get more control that way. I also ride a lot on the brakes and the top. That's the point. You can switch position a lot more to wherever is comfortable. And I wouldn't worry too much what you look like. I shouldn't have thought you'll get any more comments riding slowly on the drops than you will otherwise.

Good luck getting your bike. $700 is about 10 times what I spent on my last bike, but that was second hand and I have upgraded parts since.

Ellie

HI
I was in the same spot you are. My wife and I are new to biking this year. We went to many different shops and rode everything we could. By everything I mean from mt.bikes to x-country bikes and rode all the models we could find. When we started looking at bikes I was convinced I wanted a x-country bike untill I test rode a mt. bike. after riding a mt. I couldnt see myself riding a x-country. I spent alittle over 400.00 for my Raleigh m-60. My advice is do what my wife and I did and shop around and ride everything you can from Mt. to x-country to rode bikes. Then find one you no you will ride for a few years then if you want you can upgrade. Just alittle advice if you are looking at x-c for any reason you can always upgrade the tires to something with more of a bite.
Just my 2 cents.

Jason :crash:

Originally posted by Ellie
Hey, watch it! There are a few women on this site that would probably whip you in a race...

I ride on the drops going slowly because I get more control that way. I also ride a lot on the brakes and the top. That's the point. You can switch position a lot more to wherever is comfortable. And I wouldn't worry too much what you look like. I shouldn't have thought you'll get any more comments riding slowly on the drops than you will otherwise.

Good luck getting your bike. $700 is about 10 times what I spent on my last bike, but that was second hand and I have upgraded parts since.

Ellie

Ellie, I apologize for that comment. I didn't mean anything by it, honest. I'm sure most females can out ride me. For a 24 year old, I'm not as fit as I would like to be. Again, I am sincerely sorry for what I said. :(

Thanks for the advice :) I actually went to a LBS (local bike shop...I'm assuming) and looked around today after work...it went pretty well.

This is what happened at the bike shop today. I explained the situation and he pointed at the Specialized Sirrus and the Sirrus Sport.

The Sirrus was for 500 (tax included)
and the Sirrus Sport is 700 (tax included)

First off, does anyone know if this is a good deal? Secondly, does the sport version justify the $200 increase in price?

Can someone look at the specs of these two bikes and let me know....it would be real helpful if someone can give me an honest opinion here's the website for:

Sirrus (http://www.specialized.com/SBCBkModel.jsp?san=SirrusA1&browselevel=roadbikes)

Sirrus Sport (http://www.specialized.com/SBCBkModel.jsp?san=SirrusA1Sport&browselevel=roadbikes)

The guy in the bike shop said the main difference are the brake lever/shifter (one piece in sirrus vs. 2 pieces in sirrus sport), crank and the gears.

Now my other question is: does anyone know anything about the Specialized Crossroad A1 Limited? It's a women's bike with thinner tires. He wants $300 for for that bike. This bike is for my girlfriend...he says it's a limited edition, which is why it's not in Specialized's website or catalogs.

I also asked him about the Jamis Coda. He said the Sirrus and Coda are about the same...and that there isn't much difference. He carries Jamis, but doesn't not have any in stock. He can order bikes from Jamis if I want. I also asked about the Jamis Nova and Aurora, and he gave me the same answer.

Could someone also check out these bikes for me and tell me what you think

Jamis Coda (http://www.jamisbikes.com/bikes/spec&geo/codaspec02.html)
Jamis Nova (http://www.jamisbikes.com/bikes/spec&geo/novaspec02.html)
Jamis Aurora (http://www.jamisbikes.com/bikes/spec&geo/auroraspec02.html)

If someone who is bike savvy and can do this for me I would greatly appreciate it.

Another thing....sorry, but what else should I expect from the bike shop when I get the bikes? Any freebies (ie. water bottle, the holder, kick stand, gloves, shoes, helmet, etc.)....i know i know, i'm pushing it...but do they ususal give you free items if you ask for them? What should I ask for? What do they give?

What did you guys get with your bikes? How about upgraded parts? Anything?

Originally posted by Cadd
Another thing....sorry, but what else should I expect from the bike shop when I get the bikes? Any freebies (ie. water bottle, the holder, kick stand, gloves, shoes, helmet, etc.)....i know i know, i'm pushing it...but do they ususal give you free items if you ask for them? What should I ask for? What do they give?

What did you guys get with your bikes? How about upgraded parts? Anything?

I got a good discount on the accessories I bought, but I wouldn't have had the cheek to ask for one-not to say you shouldn't.

Richard

Bought a Coda last summer. I think you get a lot bike for your money. It's light, and has top quality components, and I love the polished (not painted) steel (cromoly) frame. The ONLY thing I don't like about the bike is the straight handlebar. I get numb hands, due to (IMHO) the lack of hand positions.

Thinking about converting the bar to a drop, or switching to the Aurora, which is in the light touring class. Converting means new brake levers, barend shifters, HB, and stem.

The Aurora lists arounf 550$, and the Coda 799$. Fuji Touring is very similar to the Aurora, but might be a little more expensive.

Whatever bike you buy, be sure you get it from a GOOD LBS that has your riding pleasure and continued patronage at heart, not just a sale and inventory reduction.

Hope this helps.

Finding an LBS (local bike shop I’m assuming….) shouldn’t be a problem for me….but finding a good one is might be because I have too many to choose from. Within a 30 mile radius, I have over 30 LBS here in Brooklyn, NY! :eek: Now, how would I know who to buy from. I don’t have many friends who ride. So getting an opinion is difficult. I guess the best way is to go in and take a look right? What should I look for? Which shops should I avoid? Most shops close around 7pm….most of the time I don’t get home from work until 7! I don’t want to go on weekends because of the volume of people who will be there.

Please give me some pointers for choosing a LBS. Thanks

There are a few sites that have good information on what to look for in a LBS. I'm at work and don't have those URLs.

Basically, you need to feel good about the shop and the sales person. It shouldn't feel like a used car sales person. They should be willing to take all the time you need to decide. You need to test ride it more than just around the parking lot, a mile or so minimum. Feel confidant that they recommending a bike that fits you and your riding, not one that's "close enough" to one they have in stock. If they don't have your size in stock, they should be will to order one.

Shop around, not for price, but for a shop you feel good about. Buying a bicycle shouldn't feel like buying a used car. If you decide on a brand, visit a couple shops that sell it, see if their suggestions match.

Ted

This site has some good information.

http://www.bikesrnottoys.com/

Look around this forum for suggestions about what to look for in a good bike shop.

BTW, the standard saddle on the Coda isn't very comfortable. Ask the shop if they'll swap it something more comfortable. I have a Brooks B17 leather saddle. I also put narrower tires on it. I think they are 700x28 and smooth, no tread.

Of the bikes you listed, the Jamis Nova is the best one. I do not know what the bike retails for, but from the description of the frame and components it may exceed your price point. The most important consideration is proper fit. You could spend $6000 on a high zoot bike and if it does not fit you properly, you have wasted your money. To reiterate fit, fit, fit.
:beer:

I went to another LBS today...just about 6 blocks from my house (1/4 mile away)....they carried lots of C'dale, Trek, Bianchi, Specialized, Reliegh, but no Jamis.....they told me that Jamis is a different breed of bike, they are not bad bikes, but different class...

But anyways, they have lots of bikes. The sales lady showed me around and showed me bikes that may fit. She also mentioned that the Sirrus might not be that great of a bike for me because 28c is the fattest tires I can put on it. I asked her many many times and stressed to her that I'm worried about the curbs....she says that 28 is the fattest that bike holds....can anyone confirm this? Here are the Specs (http://www.specialized.com/SBCBkModel.jsp?san=SirrusA1Sport&browselevel=roadbikes) for the Sirrus again.

She showed me a nice C'dale for $969 it was a 2001 Road Warrior 500. Is that a steal or is it "just an ok deal"?

Thanks. Now, about fit....everyone tells me FIT IS EVERYTHING! That a $2,000 bike sold at a discount for $700 that doesn't fit well is worst than a $700 msrp bike. Is this true? How would I know if the LBS I'm buying from is fitting me properly? Is there anyway I can fit myself or just to give myself a guide line before I goto the LBS?

Again, I greatly appreciate all of your help. I hope to become a bike addict one day....and there's no better place to start than here! ;)

Originally posted by FROryder
Of the bikes you listed, the Jamis Nova is the best one. I do not know what the bike retails for, but from the description of the frame and components it may exceed your price point. The most important consideration is proper fit. You could spend $6000 on a high zoot bike and if it does not fit you properly, you have wasted your money. To reiterate fit, fit, fit.
:beer:

Yes the Nova is out of my ballpark. I haven't personally seen the bike, but everyone tells me that it's the best bike on my list. It's $899. That's a little too much for me (remember this is my first "REAL" bike).

Other than the Nova, who would say is second best (in terms of materal, components used, quality, etc.)?

Don't know what she meant by "Jamis is a different class..." other than they don't sell Jamis, and she probably doesn't know anything about them. Kinda like asking a Chevy dealer what he thinks about the BMW.

If you're still open to a Jamis, find a dealer and ride one, get their opinion. IMHO, any Jamis is a great value.

Just to let you know my bias...My LBS carried Trek, it's a small shop and priced his bikes fairly. Last summer Trek pulled their bikes and gave the line to a large bike retailer. That store is notorious for running lost leader specials. They "fit" the customer to what ever size they have in stock.

Compare the components, not the brand name.

Ted

If the Jamis Coda falls within your price range this should be your next choice, the steel frame will offer a more compliant ride. Aluminium frames at your price point tend to be overbuilt and are too rigid for someone of your weight, after a few hours in the saddle you’ll be cursing your bike. In addition, switch out the suspension seatpost, adds a lot of unnecessary weight.
Gustavo
:beer:

I agree, I was getting some bounce with the suspension seatpost. I also replaced the saddle with a Brooks b17 and put 28c smooth tires on it. I ride mostly bike path. I think the Coda comes with 35c tires and presta valves. The wheels are drilled to accept schrader valves, and I would suggest swapping out the presta tubes for schrader tubes.

Ted

I know Jamis are good bikes...or a real good bang for your buck type of bike, my friend has a '94 Jamis mtb. But the Coda msrp for $800...I'm having a difficult time with $700 already....I'm not sure about $800.

Actually, the lady at the LBS is a Jamis dealer but doesn't have inventory (and will not unless a specific customer orders one).

How much negotiating room would I have on any bike?

Cadd,

Actually, I had emailed Specialized about the possible tire sizes that could be used on the Sirrus.
Here's the reply I got from them:

**
I am running some 32 c knobbies on my Sirrus Pro and have no problem with clearance, I could probably run up to 38 c width. Thank you for your interest in Specialized.
**

For what it's worth!
Brian

Originally posted by meradi
Cadd,

Actually, I had emailed Specialized about the possible tire sizes that could be used on the Sirrus.
Here's the reply I got from them:

**
I am running some 32 c knobbies on my Sirrus Pro and have no problem with clearance, I could probably run up to 38 c width. Thank you for your interest in Specialized.
**

For what it's worth!
Brian

Wow! That's great! :D

Let's just put it this way....I guess that LBS didn't know what they were talking about.

I e-mailed Specialized too! This was what I wrote:

"Hello, I'm in the market for an aggresive city bike (this will be my
first "real" bike). When I saw the Sirrus (or sirrus sport), I knew
it would be my next bike. I visited my LBS and voice my concern of
the 28c tires. I live and ride in New York City. I mostly ride on
bike paths, but occasionally I would have to ride on the streets
which means going up and down the curb (1" - 5" curbs on average).
Now the LBS told me that the Sirrus can not have any tires thicker
than 28c on it. Would you please confirm this for me....if this is
true should it be a concern of mine? I really like thinner tires for
the speed, but I really do not want to have damaged rims to worry
about.

Thanks for your help and advice."

This was the e-mail I got from them:

"This is an automatic reply e-mail, please do not respond. Please read
though,
as
it may help lead you in the right direction for questions not pertaining
to the
Specialized Online Store. We will however answer your e-mail as soon as
possible.


Thank you for your interest in the Specialized On-Line Store. We are
available
to answer your questions regarding the Store and its products during our
regular
business hours, M-F 7am to 4:00 pm Mountain Time.

If you have received this message during business hours we are assisting
other
customers and will reply to your e-mail as soon as possible. If you have
contacted us after hours, we will make every effort to provide a
response as
soon as possible, the following business day.

Should you have a questions regarding anything other than an order you
have
placed or products currently carried in the Store, you may want to use
the
Dealer Locator feature, on our main website, to find the location and
phone
numbers of Dealers in your area. Your local Specialized dealer is going
to be
the best source of information for Specialized products. The URL to go
directly
to the Dealer Locator is:

http://direct.where2getit.com/specialized/

You may also want to use our "FAQ" page. You can find this feature
located in
the Support section of the main website or can go directly to it using
this
direct URL:


http://www.specialized.com/SBCFAQ.jsp?a=b#


The Specialized On-Line Store Customer Service Team"

I guess you got human contact...

The Serris has an alum. frame. Compared to steel, alum has a harsh ride, and when they fail, they go suddenly. Steel (CroMoly) will crack slowly. Going with the wider lower pressure tire will help the ride. The type of riding that you'll be doing is going to be rough on the inexpensive alum frame.

Don't let a salesperson tell you that a CroMoly frame is cheap, heavy or old fashioned, custom frame makers like Rivendell (1000-2500$ frames) and Bruce Gordon (same price range) are steel frames.

Try this site for info in steel frames:

http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/bikes_riv9.html

You stated that you don't want a mt. bike, but then you looked at a Cannondale Road Warrior. Did you happen to notice the "Bad Boy"? What the Bad Boy is, is essentially a mt. bike w/o suspension and 1" tires on it! Basically a hybrid, and that's what you're looking at.

What I'm trying to say is that you can take a decent mt. bike in your price range and put on a pair of 26 x 1.0" or up to 1.5" slick tires on it! Viola, a sturdy bike with high pressure (less rolling resistance) tires.

This may open up more options for you and may get you into a more comfortable riding position!

BTW, the Bad Boy has a MSRP of $799.99, but you can get a lot of mt. bikes in the $500-700 range!

Just trying to "THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX".

Also, bikes made by GIANT, TREK, GARY FISHER,....etc. have bikes similar to those mentioned and deserve a looksie!

L8R

Cadd,

I got the same automatic reply from Specialized, but after a day or two, a real person from there responded.

Good luck in finding the perfect bike!
Brian

Thanks for the suggestions guys....I'll look into them.

I just got a human reply from Specialized:

****I have a Sirrus and run 32c tires on it and I am pretty sure I could get
at
least a 37/38 on it with out issue. Thank you for your interest in
Specialized.

Sincerely,

Bart****

So what's up with that? Should I trust the LBS that told me that 28c is the fattest I could go? Should I cross them off my list?

The sirrus sport seems to have upgraded derailleurs and armadillo tires. $200 worth over the regular sirrus? Personally, no. Both have the same A1 db alloy frameset and very similar component spec. The basic sirrus will not be as easy to maintain because the derailleurs are less precisely made but I say get your use out of them and upgrade to the bulletproof Deore stuff. Deore stuff is really cheap and well made--stuff is tuff. Deore derailleurs are like, $20? You are going to get fat tires anyway so who cares about what's on there now.
My thought is that the base sirrus will get you going for a good while and upgrading parts here and there as you need to will still be alot less than $200.

Aluminum is a great material. Yes, it has different characteristics than steel - like light weight, stiff, responsive. I would say a catastrophic frame failure is so remote that it is not worth discussion for any frame material. you can use any good frame for many years.

Do you have a more experienced rider that can come with you to check fit? That might be the best if you don't quite trust the shop.
My generic guess is that you would fit the 54cm sirrus since a 50cm is really small.

Thanks RacerX (are you a member in the roadandtrack forums???) I think there’s a RacerX there too! Small world huh? Anyway, I will not abuse the bike….so I don’t think material really matters for me. I’ll just be a recreational rider….riding on weekends and maybe some evenings (if I’m not too tired from work). Wow, I didn’t know derailleurs are that cheap!

You mentioned Deore. Is that better or is Tiagra better? I also noticed that the crank is different (larger) on the Sport and by looking at the pictures, the front gears are larger (sorry, don’t know the terminology for it).

Now the LBS says the brake & shift lever are much better on the Sport too since they come in two pieces as opposed to the base model. How much would it be to upgrade that stuff in the future?

The reason I’m having a difficult time deciding between these two model is because:

1 – I’m new to this and really want a bike that will last me at least 5 years (I don’t want to outgrow it).

2 – If and when I am ready to upgrade the base model, would it cost more (or would it be more of a hassle) to do so than to just buy a better model (ie. Sport) from the start.

Thanks for listening... :)

I’ll just be a recreational rider….riding on weekends and maybe some evenings
Cadd,
I'd watch that, you start riding on weekends, then an
occaisional evening, and next thing you know
you're signed up for a double century and you
base your entire schedule around riding time.
Don't know anything about the bike
your looking at so all I can say is take your
time, and make sure you get a proper
fit.
Marty

Originally posted by lotek

Cadd,
I'd watch that, you start riding on weekends, then an
occaisional evening, and next thing you know
you're signed up for a double century and you
base your entire schedule around riding time.
Live to ride.

Cadd... Deore is one of Shimano's MTB component groups. Tiagra is one of Shimano's road component groups. They are pretty much equivalent in terms of quality and performance and, in many cases, Shimano's road and MTB components are pretty much interchangeable. This is the Shimano road and MTB equivalents chart:

ROAD / MTB

Sora / Alivio
Tiagra / Deore
105 / Deore LX
Ultegra / Deore XT
Dura Ace / XTR

Most entry-level bikes will be specced with Sora/Alivio or Tiagra/Deore-level components. 105/LX and above are usually found on mid-to-high range bikes. Dura Ace/XTR is the kind of thing the pros use.

If you were to break down component spec by price-point, a VERY rough list would look like this.

Component Group... On bikes in this price range

Sora / Alivio ... $500-800
Tiagra / Deore ... $750-1000
105 / Deore LX ... $950-1300
Ultegra / Deore XT ... $1250-$2000
Dura Ace / XTR ... $1800+

Originally posted by velocipedio

Live to ride.

Cadd... Deore is one of Shimano's MTB component groups. Tiagra is one of Shimano's road component groups. They are pretty much equivalent in terms of quality and performance and, in many cases, Shimano's road and MTB components are pretty much interchangeable. This is the Shimano road and MTB equivalents chart:

ROAD / MTB

Sora / Alivio
Tiagra / Deore
105 / Deore LX
Ultegra / Deore XT
Dura Ace / XTR

Most entry-level bikes will be specced with Sora/Alivio or Tiagra/Deore-level components. 105/LX and above are usually found on mid-to-high range bikes. Dura Ace/XTR is the kind of thing the pros use.

If you were to break down component spec by price-point, a VERY rough list would look like this.

Component Group... On bikes in this price range

Sora / Alivio ... $500-800
Tiagra / Deore ... $750-1000
105 / Deore LX ... $950-1300
Ultegra / Deore XT ... $1250-$2000
Dura Ace / XTR ... $1800+

Don't forget Nexave which is their 'hybrid' line. Nexave 300 series bits seem to be about Alvio level, 400 series Deore, 900 series XT.

Richard

velocipedio, thanks for that great comparison! The jamis coda wih the Deore XT components at 799$ list does put in a different class.

CADD, if price is the only thing stopping you from looking at the Coda, find a good Jamis dealer, tell them what your budget is, maybe the shop will come close. They should have at least 50-75$ to work with. (That's what I like about dealing with a small full-service LBS, you're usually dealing with the owner and knows every bike he/she sells.) Most importantly, test ride the properly fitted bikes more than just in the parking lot.

Ted

Thanks for the comparison....that really helped me a lot! I didn't know the Coda use such expensive parts....wow...maybe I should spend a little more to get the higher quality stuff.

Now how about the frame for the Coda? Reynolds 520...is that good? That is steal right? Not aluminium....in general whould you prefer a frame like this or the Jamis' frame? and why? Again, I'm looking for a quality bike that won't break the bank....i guess the best bang for the buck type of bike....I guess the Coda is really ahead of the competition huh?

Again, velo thanks for the comparo :beer:

Not a member-I guess it's not a very original computer name! :)
If you are a recreational rider and just looking for the occaisional ride than you are looking for "a good bike". The sirrus is a good bike. Yes, Deore LX or whatever is a better component spec but will it matter for you and your cycling needs? Probably not. The parts on the sirrus will last at least 5 years of the type of riding you describe. Hey, even if you have to spend $100 to upgrade the rear derailleur and shifters in 3 years don't you still come out ahead? Of course! Good fit, comfort, appeal for the MINIMUM amount of money. You can easily nickel and dime your way up to another price range. So many people walk in wanting a $300 bike and walk out with a $600 one. Of course it is a better bike but if you are not going to use it as such, isn't it too much $ to spend? In this price range, $50 or $100 is alot of money.

I recommend Deore (to upgrade to later on) over road stuff because it is heavy-duty. That stuff is cheap and bullet proof. Freeriders and downhillers use that stuff. Perfect for the urban jungle!
Since the sirrus frame is the same for the top-of-the-line sirrus as the base model, it will be worthy of future upgrades. the A1 tubing is great stuff- they used that in their FSR XC, Stumpjumper, Rockhopper and Enduro frames up to last year. Those are upwards of $2000.00 bikes.
Plus you are free to upgrade as you wish--customize your bike to your needs as it were.

I didn't notice but my guess is that the sirrus has a compact drive crankset (slightly easier gears). It doesn't really affect anything and isn't "cheaper".


Originally posted by Cadd
Thanks RacerX (are you a member in the roadandtrack forums???) I think there’s a RacerX there too! Small world huh? Anyway, I will not abuse the bike….so I don’t think material really matters for me. I’ll just be a recreational rider….riding on weekends and maybe some evenings (if I’m not too tired from work). Wow, I didn’t know derailleurs are that cheap!

You mentioned Deore. Is that better or is Tiagra better? I also noticed that the crank is different (larger) on the Sport and by looking at the pictures, the front gears are larger (sorry, don’t know the terminology for it).

Now the LBS says the brake & shift lever are much better on the Sport too since they come in two pieces as opposed to the base model. How much would it be to upgrade that stuff in the future?

The reason I’m having a difficult time deciding between these two model is because:

1 – I’m new to this and really want a bike that will last me at least 5 years (I don’t want to outgrow it).

2 – If and when I am ready to upgrade the base model, would it cost more (or would it be more of a hassle) to do so than to just buy a better model (ie. Sport) from the start.

Thanks for listening... :)

I think I'm going with the Sirrus (base)....but it's so difficult to decide. I really really really like the drop bars though! Maybe a cyclocross is right for me, but they are so expensive (no one carries the Jamis Nova, Jake the Snake, or the Volpe around here :confused: ) I thought these are good bikes!??? I just want to take one out for a spin and see if it's "day and night" compared to the flat bars. I will be going to many many many LBS this week and will be asking lots of questions. Hopefully I have a bike at the end of the week.

I just don't know what's good for me :( I just don't want to get ripped off or get the "wrong" bike and have to end up buying the "right" bike in 2 years.

Originally posted by Cadd
I think I'm going with the Sirrus (base)....but it's so difficult to decide. I really really really like the drop bars though! Maybe a cyclocross is right for me, but they are so expensive (no one carries the Jamis Nova, Jake the Snake, or the Volpe around here :confused: ) I thought these are good bikes!??? I just want to take one out for a spin and see if it's "day and night" compared to the flat bars. I will be going to many many many LBS this week and will be asking lots of questions. Hopefully I have a bike at the end of the week.

I just don't know what's good for me :( I just don't want to get ripped off or get the "wrong" bike and have to end up buying the "right" bike in 2 years.

Cadd,

This site might be of some help with your test rides.
ChainReaction (http://www.chainreaction.com/roadbiketestrides.htm)

cadd,

i don't mean to throw a spanner in your works, especially if you've already settled on a bike. but if you're still in the market let me share you with you what i went through.

i'm 5'8", 150# so i'm not to far from your size (though the bikes we feel comfortable on can be far from the same!) and recently bought my first bike in 15 years -- my last bike was a bmx bike when i was in elementary school!

i live in san francisco in the very hilly parts and wanted something to ride around for fun and possibly to commute with downtown. i originally wanted a mountain bike because 80% of the bikes at the LBS' are mountain bikes and that was very similar in riding style to bmx bikes. however i rode my friends track bike -- single speed, no brakes other than your leg muscles -- and was totally blown away by how much easier to pedal up hills and on pavement compared to the mountain bikes i had been trying (treks, specialized, marin and giant around the $600 range). i loved it! but he was scared to ride off ANYTHING higher than 1" and i like doing minor hucks with my bike.

wouldn't it be great if i could get that feeling of ease of acceleration and gliding along with some minor ability to take in on dir and be able to bunny hop curbs higher than 3"'s? enter my current bike: redline (http://www.redlinebicycles.com/) cyclocross conquest.

it's alumnium, light, rigid EVERYTHING, entry-level parts (sora, vueltra and other "small-name" parts), but it has clearance and 35C knobbies and it's a blast! it does everything i want: hop curbs, ride small dirt trails, take the occasional root/rock, blast downtown and climb back up 20%+ grades; it feels nimble and i even like the yellow color. msrp is $799 but i negotiated 200 off the price because i was ready to walk out the store and apparently this isn't such a hot seller so the owner was willing to talk down the price to get it off his floor. :D

be aware if you try cyclocross bikes they tend to run larger than road bikes and they don't need as much stand-over height as mtn bikes. but to me they seem the perfect "city" bike with their mix of ruggedness (compared to strict road bikes) and their aggressive road handling (compared to the mtn bikes i tried in our price range). find the right fit and the drop handlebars are wonderful! i followed the rivendell recommendations and have the handlebars level with my seat post and my back hasn't hurt yet; i only have ridden about 30-45 minutes around town however and that includes a lot of changing position when at stop signs or if i have to get out of the saddle when climbing steep hills.

hope this helps! either way you go i'm sure you're going to love your bike IF it fits right!!

bt

bt, you got a nice bike there! It looks very aggressive. Most of the time I goto an LBS, all I see are road and mt. bikes.....they usually don't have much in the hybrid or cyclocross...I think I'll just stick to the Sirrus for now (unless the LBS finds a great deal for me for a cyclocross).

Originally posted by bt_
...i'm 5'8", 150# so i'm not to far from your size (though the bikes we feel comfortable on can be far from the same!)

What size frame did you get? I know cycloX frames are larger than mtb & roadies right?

Originally posted by Cadd
What size frame did you get? I know cycloX frames are larger than mtb & roadies right?
Actually, 'cross frames are generally measured the same way as road frames. The difference is the bottom bracket height, which can be 1.5-2 cm higher than on a road bike. Consequently, a 'cross frame will have a 1.5-2 cm higher standover height than a road frame of the same size.

The conventional wisdom, then, is to get a 'cross bike one size smaller than your usual road frame -- if you ride a 54 cm roadie, get a 53 or 52 cm 'cross bike. However, this is only a rough guideline, since 'cross bikes typically have shorter top tubes than road bikes, and top tube length is at least as important as vertical height.

To give you an ide of how complicated sizing can be... I ride a 50 cm, traditional geometry road bike, with a 53 cm top tube and a 12 cm stem. I have a "long back" [which basically means I have proportionally shortish legs], so I had trouble getting a fit on a 'cross bike. The 49 cm Kona that I tried had a 52 cm top tube which would have required a really long stem for me to be comfortable.

I settled for the 52 cm Kona -- going completely against conventional wisdom -- since the slightly sloping top tube gave me adequate standover height [about the same as my road bike] with a 53 cm top tube. I put an 11 cm stem on it which gives me 1 cm less reach than my road bike and provides me with what I think is a perfectly comfortable position riding in the drops.

Additional information on frame sizing:

Rivendell frame sizing page (http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/bikes_framesize.html)

It all boils down to...are you comfortable on the bike?:)

Ted

Originally posted by Cadd


What size frame did you get? I know cycloX frames are larger than mtb & roadies right?

as velocipedio stated earlier, they run slightly different geometry than road bikes and have a higher bottom bracket so there is less standover height when comparing to the same [seat tube] sized road bike.

my inseam is a touch over 30" and with the shorter top tube i felt more comfortable with a bike "larger" than i should've gotten: 52cm measured center-to-center. following the guidelines on the 'net i shoulda probably gone for a 50 or a 48 on the small end.

as is, when i straddle the bike it's, umm, snug. however, since i intend to spend the majority of the time pedaling rather than standing over the top tube :D i decided to make sure the cockpit was comfortable. though pretty much everything can be adjusted (handlebar stem, seat, crankset) the 52 allowed me the better feel.

enjoy riding! at first i was a bit hestitant commuting into downtown traffic but now i find it exciting cuz there's nothing like knowing you could get run over at any time; it really pushes me to pedal as fast as i can go! :p

bt

Thanks for the guideline guys....I'm excited to announce that I got the bike today!!! :D (jumping with joy!). But I do have my doubts and would like to measure it myself and see if it's good fit for me. The LBS was very honest with me...he had the 2001 Sirrus base model (silver) for $450 and the Sirrus Comp (blue) for $500 (this price is only for me....the price tag was much higher...i guess he liked me :) ). Anyway, he had the Comp in a MEDIUM and the base model in SMALL. He said the SMALL fits me better. But I think I like the DEORE LX on the Comp better (the base model has DEORE). But I trusted him when he said the SMALL is better for me....as for numbers, I don't know....I'm not sure where to look to see how big the frame is. I don't see any numbers with inches or any numbers with centimeters :(

OK now the bike:

A 2001 Specialized Sirrus: (remember, I'm new to this but I'll try to get all the specs.....sorry I didn't get an instructions manual...should I get one? I was just too excited :o )

-Frame size: Small (not sure what the numbers are....can someone point me to a website that shows me how to measure it which a tapemeasure?)

-Wheels: Mavic XP 21 (32 spokes)

-Tires: Specialized Armadillo Turbo 700x26c

-Front derailleur: Deore (has 3 gears up front)

-Rear derailleur: Deore (has 9 gears in the back)

-Frame: A1 XXX butted aluminum

-Front fork: no clue...sorry

-headset (this is the piece between the handlebar stem & the fork right? if so): Ritchey Logic

-front/rear brakes: (it doesn't have a name), but some type of V-brakes

-Brake lever: Deore V-brake

-Shift lever: (it's a one piece with the brakes) the name is Mega Drive Train.

-Pedal: Shimano...no model (it has a clip thing.....like a snowboard binding with black plastic surrounding it with reflectors on both ends)

-Seat: Specialized body Geometry

-Seat post: USE SX (<-----that's the name of it)

-front/rear hub: (is this the piece next to the quick release on the rims? if so) it's a Ritchey...no model

That's all the info I can give now....

Again the main difference the LBS told me about my bike and the Comp is just the derailleurs....the Comp (for $50 more) has the DEORE LX.

Is it worth the $50? :confused:

And how do I measure my bike to see if it fits me right?

Thanks for all the help, support and advice each and everyone one of you contributed! You guys are a great bunch
:beer:

Cadd,

Sounds great.:D Your off to many years and miles of fun!

The frame size is usually the distance fron the center of the crank to the top of the seat tube. (17, 18, 19, 20, etc. inches or more commonly today in cm., 50, 53, etc.

A cycling club is a good way to meet other rider, and learn about cycling. Look for a club that's touring/road oriented. (Some are more racing oriented.)

Have fun

Please, wear a helmet.

Ted

:beer:

Thx Teding. I'll be riding w/my friends for a while first....if they give up, I'll join some club and ride w/others. I hope they have newbie clubs, I don't think I can keep up with most people.

Cadd,

I ride the 2001 Specialized Comp and so far I have been very happy with it. Just rode 62 miles in a club ride last Saturday and it performed very well. I didn't have a problem with my hands but did a little with my shoulders and that probably would have happened with drop bars too.

So far I like the brakes and shifters being right by my hands at all times and the tires are bullet proof.

If you notice with the Sirrus; all of them including this years models have a Deore front der. Mine has the LX on the rear which I may upgrade to an XT.

Anyway now just go out ride and enjoy. It will do what you need it to do and if you out grow it you can worry about that when the time comes.

Welcome to the Sirrus club...

Originally posted by gabiker
Anyway now just go out ride and enjoy. It will do what you need it to do and if you out grow it you can worry about that when the time comes.

Welcome to the Sirrus club...

I feel proud already....I think I'm gonna take my bike out today (I took a week off just for bike purchase & riding AND IT'S ONLY TUESDAY!!!!) for the inaugural ride!

And if you do upgrade to XT (just the rear derailleur? or the whole set?), and have no use of the LX and want to sell it, let me know.

Cadd,

That is a good posibility. I really don't know what to sell it for though. You have any idea's?

Let me know...

Oh yeah it only has about 300 to 400 miles on it so there is much life yet. And I do take very good care of it.