Commuting - I really gotta go.....

I figured it was time for some serious polls now.....

One thing about living in an urban setting..Few shrubbies are large enough to hide out in...Live away from it all...I find myself developing my favorite p spots... Here in the desert water is scare.Not sure of my motivation..Maybe I think the shrub is priviliged....but...In the city..Think my favorite answer is peeing on tire..I like that...
But, here abouts...No need to.****enty of parks if you just know where they are...
On my tour of the outback of Nevada...The gals had a real problem..No shrubs.No trees..Just small, medium , and large size rocks..Modesty there was difficult..

Man, I'd vote for the car, but you gotta pee on the driver's side door handle.

You left out alleys, too.

You left out pedal harder so you sweat and then you don't have to go as bad. It works.

I usually that care of this particular problem before leaving work but occasionally forget. When I forget I'm in big trouble. I ride through many residential neighborhoods and "going" in someone's front yard isn't kosher, so I ride like **** to get home. :o

I find peeing in bushes and behind dumpsters to be very gratifying.

Didn't you mom harp on you to go before you leave? I always go at work right before I head home and at home right before I head to work. Never had the issue.

Underneath roads that go over washes seems to be a good choice where I commute. As long as there are no homeless people down there at the time.

I must say that the most-frequent complaint I hear from people who have property abutting the trail is "cyclists sneaking into my woods to urinate."

I.E., Don't think you're going unnoticed. :(

It gets worse in the winter: I've seen X-country ski tracks suddenly stop and form odd patterns, with a bunch of yellow snow in the center. It's rather off-putting...

I just ride fast and get home!

Ever pee off your bike *while* riding. I've done this many times at night. Most gratifying.

i love being able to whip it out and go in public....

bushes, tree, it don't matter, when you gotta go, you gotta go!

i feel bad for ladies who cannot so easily whip it out and pee anywhere.

you wanna stop and stare i might just give you a little penis wave in appreciation ;).

You guys are really gross.

I'll wait all day if I have to and use the toilet like a civilized person. I'll only use the outdoors if I'm in actual wilderness, and then I'll practice good Leave No Trace ethics.

How does that work with the Big pro tours..People everywhere. Go in public you are fined last I knew..Probably like football players, just take a leak in your chamois..That would get mushy after 100 miles.
You spend lots of time taking a leak, you are losing precious seconds.

i love being able to whip it out and go in public....

bushes, tree, it don't matter, when you gotta go, you gotta go!

i feel bad for ladies who cannot so easily whip it out and pee anywhere.

you wanna stop and stare i might just give you a little penis wave in appreciation ;).

Ahhh, so you're the one responsible for the stench of urine that often invades our lovely city.

Ahhh, so you're the one responsible for the stench of urine that often invades our lovely city.


no, i am civilized enough (BARELY) to piss in the grass.... i work (but don't pee) in center city though so i am well aware of the smells you speak of.

and how is peeing outside uncivilized???? it's what we did before indoor plumbing, it all ends up "outside" sooner or later. are you afraid someone will see you willy???? i am not ashamed of mine, but on the other hand i am not going out of my way to show it to anyone either.

I can't pee in public. I can hold it a loooooooong time rather than take a dump in the bushes.

Koffee

no, i am civilized enough (BARELY) to piss in the grass.... i work (but don't pee) in center city though so i am well aware of the smells you speak of.

and how is peeing outside uncivilized???? it's what we did before indoor plumbing, it all ends up "outside" sooner or later. are you afraid someone will see you willy???? i am not ashamed of mine, but on the other hand i am not going out of my way to show it to anyone either.

Perhaps you misread the sarcasm in my post, particularly "lovely city." I never referred to peeing outdoors as being uncivilized. It's tough to make it from bar to bar without having to stop for some relief every now and then. Thank God for those little alleyways like Latimer and such.

sarcasm gotten and understood! :p just trying to add my own wise @ssed touch.

the response to being uncivilized came from sbh's comments.

but i seriously do like to find a patch of grass.... and who's been feeding the bums asparagus? DAMN that stuff stinks sometimes.... :eek:

This morning, I saw another cyclist sniff the shrub I peed last night, lift his leg, and pee in the same spot.

Shhh - shlup - shhh - shlup (that's the sound of wet bike pants).

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Is it that hard to remember to go before you leave?

Ever pee off your bike *while* riding. I've done this many times at night. Most gratifying.

OK, I wanna know how to do that... I did a tour many years ago and at one point I had a fully loaded tour bike going downwind at about 20MPH... I did not want to stop for anything... sigh...

Hey this poll only allows one answer... I use multiple methods. Such as using the local park restrooms/beach restrooms, finding construction outhouses, then the gas station/market thing, and last... sigh, along a trail.

Sometimes coffee and exercise just don't mix.

This morning, I saw another cyclist sniff the shrub I peed last night, lift his leg, and pee in the same spot.


Darn, you saw me!! :eek:

Seriously(?) 'Round here I go in the corn field.

I'll wait all day if I have to and use the toilet like a civilized person. I'll only use the outdoors if I'm in actual wilderness, and then I'll practice good Leave No Trace ethics.
Since when has urintating in the woods,etc. been a violation of LNT?
I call bull sh*it.
"Number 2" is a different story, there ARE LNT ethics regarding that.

I usually that care of this particular problem before leaving work but occasionally forget. When I forget I'm in big trouble. I ride through many residential neighborhoods and "going" in someone's front yard isn't kosher, so I ride like **** to get home. :o

Once, when I was on an early morning run through a suburb with some friends, my friend REALLY had to go "number 2". We dared him to 'leave a package' on someone's front yard, and guess what those people woke up to! :eek:

Once, when I was on an early morning run through a suburb with some friends, my friend REALLY had to go "number 2". We dared him to 'leave a package' on someone's front yard, and guess what those people woke up to! :eek:

Ok, THAT is just really nasty. I get mad when other people's dogs leave that behind on my lawn - forget a biker.

wow. That is nasty. Should have left a steaming pile on a SUV hood. Now that would be funny.

Commuting, I have been known to slip in the back door of a McDonalds and such and then slip right back out.

On my extended ride out in the country/mountains... Whip it out and let it fly somewhere where everyone and their mother will hopefully not see.

a shrubery!
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/HolyGrail/jpgs/19-ecky.jpg

Since when has urintating in the woods,etc. been a violation of LNT?
I call bull sh*it.
"Number 2" is a different story, there ARE LNT ethics regarding that.

Well, men can pee without leaving too much of a trace, but it really bugs me when ladies leave little wads of kleenex. Why don't you just hose off with your camelback hose?

no, i am civilized enough (BARELY) to piss in the grass.... i work (but don't pee) in center city though so i am well aware of the smells you speak of.

and how is peeing outside uncivilized???? it's what we did before indoor plumbing, it all ends up "outside" sooner or later. are you afraid someone will see you willy???? i am not ashamed of mine, but on the other hand i am not going out of my way to show it to anyone either.


:roflmao:

Darn, you saw me!! :eek:

Seriously(?) 'Round here I go in the corn field.

It's not like it's difficult to find a corn field in your neck of the woods. Geez, you even have an abundance of natural toilet "paper" if the urge for #2 calls.

Since when has urintating in the woods,etc. been a violation of LNT?
I call bull sh*it.
"Number 2" is a different story, there ARE LNT ethics regarding that.

So. It's OK to pee into a water source?

Actually, you are correct, and I am surprised. I TEACH LNT, and when I double-checked the text it doesn't specifically address urination, but it does address wastewater (I do cover proper locations for urination in my classes).

Except for the food chunks, I would consider urine as wastewater, wouldn't you? Yeah, I know it's usually sterile, but I still don't want to have to drink it downstream. Please, get 200' away from water sources.

I've never tried peeing on a car. Have to try that one. It would have to be a big one, like an Expedition or something.

Which reminds me. This whole peeing thing really caused a stir awhile back over on the IL side of the river. I guess cyclists would go on long country rides and when nature called, they would find the nearest barn. I'm not a farmer, but I guess there is something about pig feed being sterile that really set them off. Things escalated . . . exacerbated by the city slicker v country thing, and ended up with some farmer attacking a poor female cyclist, with serious injury. He claimed she spit on his car. She claimed he followed her and ran her off the road. Probably both were true. To this day, it is not wise to cycle in Monroe County. That's pronounced MON-roe to the natives.

So. It's OK to pee into a water source?

Actually, you are correct, and I am surprised. I TEACH LNT, and when I double-checked the text it doesn't specifically address urination, but it does address wastewater (I do cover proper locations for urination in my classes).

Except for the food chunks, I would consider urine as wastewater, wouldn't you? Yeah, I know it's usually sterile, but I still don't want to have to drink it downstream. Please, get 200' away from water sources.

What is LNT?

What about water that is destined to flow into the ocean... small seasonal creeks that are really street drains that run through some parks and wild areas? I am sure these are NOT "water sources," at least to humans.

i love being able to whip it out and go in public....

bushes, tree, it don't matter, when you gotta go, you gotta go!

i feel bad for ladies who cannot so easily whip it out and pee anywhere.

you wanna stop and stare i might just give you a little penis wave in appreciation ;).

Dude! We're going to poll you 'most likely to register as a sex offender in the near future'.

DanO

What is LNT?

What about water that is destined to flow into the ocean... small seasonal creeks that are really street drains that run through some parks and wild areas? I am sure these are NOT "water sources," at least to humans.

If it has anything to do with belly-button LNT, I am quite an expert. I teach several night classes on the subject and published several definitive treatises on the subject.

So. It's OK to pee into a water source?

Actually, you are correct, and I am surprised. I TEACH LNT, and when I double-checked the text it doesn't specifically address urination, but it does address wastewater (I do cover proper locations for urination in my classes).

Except for the food chunks, I would consider urine as wastewater, wouldn't you? Yeah, I know it's usually sterile, but I still don't want to have to drink it downstream. Please, get 200' away from water sources.
OK. If you look at what I wrote, I specifically did not say that it's ok to pee in the water. I said thast peeing in the WOODS, not in water sources is not going to hurt anyone/anything.
I have an issue with some of the idiosyncratic LNT ethics.
For example: It's OK and encouraged to pee in the colorado river on a rafting trip.
It's OK and encouraged to poo in the ocean, say on a sea kayaking trip, as long as you do dont poo directly on a beach, etc.
Do I want to drink urine? No, but by the time it hits the water, it gets diluted and your water filter/purifier/iodine/etc, deals with the rest of the stuff.

Urinating into water sources isn't a problem - your urine is going to be a lot more sterile than whatever source of water you happen to be using for a john at the time. No, no one wants to drink it, but you're not going to make any people or animals sick. Now, there may be a question about chemicals from manufactured foods and dyes, etc leaving your body and entering the environment, but that's a separate issue, and one that is more difficult to address. #2 is a problem in fresh water sources, and may in some salt water sources (I have no expertise in LNT, I just know the basics), but out in the ocean is fine... though when I went sailing with Outward Bound, we preferred to use a bucket, since it's easier than hanging your butt out over the side, not to mention less exposed...

Urinating into water sources isn't a problem - your urine is going to be a lot more sterile than whatever source of water you happen to be using for a john at the time. No, no one wants to drink it, but you're not going to make any people or animals sick. Now, there may be a question about chemicals from manufactured foods and dyes, etc leaving your body and entering the environment, but that's a separate issue, and one that is more difficult to address. #2 is a problem in fresh water sources, and may in some salt water sources (I have no expertise in LNT, I just know the basics), but out in the ocean is fine... though when I went sailing with Outward Bound, we preferred to use a bucket, since it's easier than hanging your butt out over the side, not to mention less exposed...

Again, what is LNT?

Regarding your sailing experience... Technically the "bucket and chuckit" method is illegal if you are inside of 3 miles... However, if you go directly into the ocean, it is NOT illegal. Go figure.

Man, I'd vote for the car, but you gotta pee on the driver's side door handle.

Heard of the police patroling at 3 one winter morning and coming across a drunk guy goin' on the door lock, seems that the lock was froze. They stopped him before he got behind the wheel. True or not, I don't know.

LNT= Leave No Trace, a series of ethics/codes/etc. which people follow in wilderness areas, camping, and in some other areas, too!

http://www.lnt.org/

the 7 LNT principles:

http://www.lnt.org/programs/lnt7/

Technically the "bucket and chuckit" method is illegal if you are inside of 3 miles... However, if you go directly into the ocean, it is NOT illegal. Go figure.
Yep. Idiosyncratic american laws.

off topic, but hows the chain tentioner bostonfixed?

LNT= Leave No Trace, a series of ethics/codes/etc. which people follow in wilderness areas, camping, and in some other areas, too!

http://www.lnt.org/

the 7 LNT principles:

http://www.lnt.org/programs/lnt7/

Thanks... had no idea... been using the same principals for years in Baja... Thanks to old Boy Scout camp ethics and friends I camp with that highly respect the earth.

i'd just find any place i wouldn't get ticketed or arrested for whizzin.

Urinating into water sources isn't a problem - your urine is going to be a lot more sterile than whatever source of water you happen to be using for a john at the time. No, no one wants to drink it, but you're not going to make any people or animals sick.

Actually, not true. In larger urban centres (the Thames is one of the most studied in this regard), there is a growing effect on aquatic animals (mainly fish) because of the amount of hormones (oestregen) in the water - a hormone exreted both naturally, and also present in the urine of those taking contraceptive medication.

This hormone, even in small amounts, is also thought to cause health problems in males in regards to fertility/testicular cancer....read a brief synopsis here:

http://i-mass.com/oems0901.html

First, BostonFixed, thanks for explaining what LNT means. IMHO, it drives me nuts when people use acronyms that are unexplained. :-)



OK. If you look at what I wrote, I specifically did not say that it's ok to pee in the water. I said thast peeing in the WOODS, not in water sources is not going to hurt anyone/anything.

BostonFixed, You are correct. I had my hackles up over some of the other posts, and I took your comment one step further to make my point. Sorry about that.

I guess it's a regional sensitivity thing too. I do most of my backpacking in the San Gabriel and San Bernardino mountains of Southern California. There is precious little water available on these trails as it is. I don't want it peed into.

On the other hand, when I'm scuba diving in the frigid Pacific...

Ah yes! When you're in the water on a cold day there is nothing quite like the immediate warming effect of fresh urine trapped inside your wetsuit!

:D
They still have 'golden nuggets' washing ashore of the Beaches of Miami Beach..In winter that might have a slight warming effect.

Ah yes! When you're in the water on a cold day there is nothing quite like the immediate warming effect of fresh urine trapped inside your wetsuit!

:D

Barbarians! Dive dry and get a pee valve! :D