Foo - Why do aliens build ships that crash?

I wanna preface this rant by saying that I have actually seen a UFO, stone cold sober, in the daytime. Whether or not little green men were involved is another matter, and I tend to be skeptical about such things. There's a great deal of information for and against the existence of alien spaceships, and this is what I percieve to be the most telling piece of evidence AGAINST: So you are a highly evolved creature who basically sees the human race like we see dogs. You are able to traverse unfathomable distances, either through an incredibly long lifespan or some wild, inconcievable wormhole technology. Now, if you're that durned badass, how come you manufacture spacecraft that frickin' crash, huh?
I just watched the Peter Jennings special on UFOs, in case you're wondering. This must be how the network news gets their credibility back in the wake of "Rathergate". :D Reckon maybe someone else has a story...

Well... in the world of engineering, such things aren't that unheard of.
We can build these F1 cars with absolutely tremendous grow some hair on your balls performance specs but the first tree trunk it hits, it'll burst into flames.
The same applies for the space shuttle, state of the art jet fighters, experimental hypersonic scramjets, carbon fiber bikes, etc.
Perhaps the fact that these aliens can make mistakes of their own is just a gentle natural reassuring reminder that no matter how much smarter they are, they still make mistakes and deep down inside, they're only human...

I wanna preface this rant by saying that I have actually seen a UFO...
You saw a flying object you couldn't identify? Okay, I believe that.


...who basically sees the human race like we see dogs.
so, the dogs you know build stuff?


...how come you manufacture spacecraft that frickin' crash, huh?
***** happens, yeah? besides, are the crashed ships are probably just scouts that couldn't go further than the moon, which is where the mothership is hiding.

I rather like the theory that we are them - or they are us - and earth is a long lost colony of an advanced space race that checks in on us from time to time. Maybe they crashed here the first time???? ;)

I'll ask them tomorrow. Man I hate that blue probe! Stings.

and why did they use tinfoil and balsa wood to build their ships with? don't they have any carbon fiber? ;)

Maybe somebody didn't know how to drive? Maybe they're pushing their limits just to get to Earth, as we push ours to land stuff on Mars? Maybe the government gave the bid to Boeing when it should've gone to Lockheed.

Mars, I'm testing myself on your avatar: "The truth conquers all?"

I'm thinking it was a teenager that stole their parent's ride. Alien teens can be brats too.

Why do aliens build ships that crash?
Better yet why is it that most of the people that are "abducted" are trailer trash?

In this sea of wise ass answers, let me be serious. I've got to take the same tack that slovid did. The higher up the speed/preformance scale you push things the smaller your margin of error becomes and the more delicate is the balance of forces.

Something perculiar that came to mind while I wached that last night. I'd conjecture that more people believe in 'salvation through Jesus Christ' though no one in the past, oh 1800-1900 years has seen him, than believe in the existance of UFO's & little green men when they are seen on a semi regular basis. Just my conjecture.

Does this count?
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/86500/86687yEgd_w.jpg

As little Timmy walked down the stairs in the morning, he couldn't help but cringe a little with each step and think that maybe, just maybe, that weird dream where he was anally violated by that silver probe in the alien mothership was real. And then he saw this in his living room.
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/86500/86649VBEA_w.jpg

if anyone likes a bit of sci-fi entertainment, do a Google on:

"mj12 Bill Moore aliens time travel moon" , etc, etc, and you'll get the kookiest stuff you can imagine about aliens, and stuff:)

I just don't buy it, it seems to me that if you are scientifically capable of faster than light travel,(which is still, as far as I know, the MOST far fetched idea in sci-fi,) then sub-light travel, like say, within Earth's atmosphere, would be an old hat, and you'd have some badass computer handling such a thing.
I'm just tired of those little green buttholes sticking things in our eyeballs and uh, other places. I wish they would abduct Bruce Willis or Sylvester Stallone, cuz you know those dudes would "Die Hard" their way into the cockpit somehow. If I could hijack an ET ship, I would:
1. Land on top of a crackhouse, and take all their crack.
2. Land on the lawn of the White House, and sit there with my force-field on, smoking mucho crack, until I had a heart attack. This would become a new national monument, the spaceship, the lawn chair, the skeleton and the crack-pipe with the forcefield around it, forever and ever. :love:

A handful of Europeans were able to bring down a civilisation of about a million people, that is technology for ya. For several reasons, if aliens did come here, it would be the biggest event in human history.

Storytellers make a living telling stories. But they never think to grab any alien stuff. With all the visits we've been getting, you'd think one of them would drop something. They would also release germs, viruses that have DNA fundamentally different from what we have here.

The Universe is big. Even if an alien race had the speed they have on Star Trek,
we might never get visited. Unless there were millions of space faring alien races...
I once played with some equations that estimated how often we might get a visit.
Please understand that without any known facts, such equations are from a scientific point of view utter gargage. They are just fun. Based on my estimates, I got a figure of once every 60,000 years. YVMV (Your Visitations May Vary)

If you ask me, it's that darned Improbability Drive!

Do you know where your towel is?

42...

I wanna preface this rant by saying that I have actually seen a UFO, stone cold sober, in the daytime.


What did it look like?

What did it look like?
Your run-of-the-mill, silvery cigar shaped object. It was moving, but so slow I couldn't figure out how it stayed aloft. If it tells you anything about my personality, I forgot about it a half hour later, but when I got to my girl's house later that day, she told me she'd just had a dream about me and a UFO. Life is nothing if not weird, eh? :)

Kinda sounds like the leadup to a lot of abduction stories I've heard. That is pretty weird, but it was pretty cool what you saw.

To preface this I'll state here and now that I believe in UFO's whatever the
hell they are.
I have never seen one, never been abducted and never been anally violated
(well there was that colonoscopy). What makes earth so special? Of all the billions
of systems out there do I think we are the only one with (semi) intellegent life?
talk about supreme arogance.
Except for SciFi movies (them) I have never seen proof that an alien ship
has crashed here on earth. I'm not convinced that Roswell is all that it is hyped to
be (thank you x files!), but it is a great tourist trap.
Rather was on CBS, Jennings on ABC. what the FOX does NBC have to do with it?
I'm done rambling now, its time for my morning psychotropics

Marty

I just don't buy it, it seems to me that if you are scientifically capable of faster than light travel,(which is still, as far as I know, the MOST far fetched idea in sci-fi,) then sub-light travel, like say, within Earth's atmosphere, would be an old hat, and you'd have some badass computer handling such a thing.


One would suppose. However, need I remind you of Challenger?

One would suppose. However, need I remind you of Challenger?
Challenger wasn't capable of overcoming the laws of physics, silly. I would think they'd have evolved beyond "Sulu" by the time that happens!

I saw something one night, but it could've been a satellite -- I dunno -- whatever it was, it was fast and silent.

The see was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli....

...it was night, and I saw an orangey/red light moving VERY fast in a straight line. Because it was dark, I couldn't tell how high it was. If it was very high, then it was moving at a bazillion miles an hour, and if it was low, and going fast, I should've been able to hear it.

Ooooooooo:p

As little Timmy walked down the stairs in the morning, he couldn't help but cringe a little with each step and think that maybe, just maybe, that weird dream where he was anally violated by that silver probe in the alien mothership was real. And then he saw this in his living room.


hey, leave me out of this. how'd you hear about this anyway? the shrink wasn't supposed to tell anyone :p

Challenger wasn't capable of overcoming the laws of physics, silly. I would think they'd have evolved beyond "Sulu" by the time that happens!


Our 'laws of physics' apply only to the realm of reality and technology as we know it. I agree, one would think that life forms capable of interstellar travel would be more evolved, and most likely they are. But regardless of the level of evolution obtained by any speices... **** happens.

Over whatever period of time you care to quantify, reality is that there aren't really that many 'alleged' or 'suspected' alien crash sites are there? What, we have Roswell, that site near Pittsburg, PA and that place in Siberia that is believed to be possibly from an extraterestial crash. With the tens of thousands of reported sightings we have only a mere handful of possible crashes, wouldn't you allow that they MIGHT be able to be classified under "**** Happens"?

Our 'laws of physics' apply only to the realm of reality and technology as we know it.
Exactly.

At one point, we thought the earth was flat and rested on the backs for four elephants who stood on the great Turtle.

we'll find the less glamorous forms of life first. the microscopic bacteria clinging to the underside of a rock on titan or something along those lines. at least i hope so. i'm not looking forward to the repeated anal probes that the larger life forms will undoubtably perform on us.

At one point, we thought the earth was flat and rested on the backs for four elephants who stood on the great Turtle.

there are still some people who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.

Our 'laws of physics' apply only to the realm of reality and technology as we know it. I agree, one would think that life forms capable of interstellar travel would be more evolved, and most likely they are. But regardless of the level of evolution obtained by any speices... **** happens.

Over whatever period of time you care to quantify, reality is that there aren't really that many 'alleged' or 'suspected' alien crash sites are there? What, we have Roswell, that site near Pittsburg, PA and that place in Siberia that is believed to be possibly from an extraterestial crash. With the tens of thousands of reported sightings we have only a mere handful of possible crashes, wouldn't you allow that they MIGHT be able to be classified under "**** Happens"?
Yeah, ***** happens, I was just being a little tongue in cheek. I don't know whether or not there ARE any actual crash sights or not, and I'm more concerned with the more mundane conspiracy to keep average joes from getting quality health care... :mad: I've seen the proposition put forth by science fiction that, while a spacecraft is doing the "warp" thing, it's "vibrational attunement" or whatever would render it impervious, but being on our plane of existence would leave it vulnerable to, uh, well, crashing into stuff. :) It's all just "marsh gas" anyway!

there are still some people who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
Man, don't open THAT can of worms unless you want to stay on this thread and argue until everyone goes to bed!

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Seeing satellites is fairly common on a dark night. Try the above link to see the really spectacular ones.

Nanu, nanu

hey, leave me out of this. how'd you hear about this anyway? the shrink wasn't supposed to tell anyone :p

But Tim... I am your shrink...

I think that maybe, just maybe, to an alien species, their "warp" drive is pushing the envelope for them just as much as getting to Mars is considered pushing the envelope for us.
And we all know how many probes actually make it to mars intact.
I had something weird to me happen once. I was on the subway in high school, the car stalled in a tunnel for about 5 minutes and the lights went out, I remembered waking up and going back to sleep. When I got home, my palm pilot, laptop, and watch were all off by around 7.5 minutes from the time at home. I know it's not some weird mistake that I made since I was pretty nerdy at the time and liked to sync' up my clock at home with my watch and everything else to the atomic clock.
It doesn't matter whether anyone believes it or not but it did happen and I tried my best to figure it out and I couldn't. There are a lot of smart intelligent people who have had weird things happen to them that no one believes and they can't figure it out themselves. It's not just the backwards trailer trash that sees UFO's and unexplained phenomenon.

i used to have lots of waking dreams about aliens. i would constantly feel their pressence when i fell asleep. happened alot from about the ages of 10-15 yrs.



if that don't discredit anything... i don't know what does! :D

but i do think it was really just waking dreams.

anyone else get creeped out by them big eyed heads?

If there are Martians on Mars, I bet they are asking the same question.

...anyone else get creeped out by them big eyed heads?...

Those greys are the only thing that truly freaks me out, BIGTIME. I don't know what it is about them, but if I see a pic of one and it is dark out I get *very* weirded out.

No, I wasn't abducted or anything like that, but I have an almost repulsive reflex at seeing one of them. EXTREMELY creepy.

http://www.afunk.com/other/greyalien/pictures/005.jpg
http://greyhunter.alien.de/greyhunter/Bilder/uploaded/Grey.GIF


I used to read all kinds of books about ufo's, etc, when I was young (elementary school and middle school age). I've read dozens and dozens of books, literally, a LOT. Betty Andriesen, Whit Strieber, Budd Hopkins, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I think most of it is hoax/fakes, and most of the people really into it seem mentally unbalanced. Most of the crash stuff seems pretty fake too.

I think there is some truth to -some- of it, but not sure what that truth is. Who knows. I only pay attention to it when I bump into it on the web (ie this thread). But not that interested anymore.

Strieber seems kinda "new age" to me, not sure what to think of him (honest? etc), but Communion was one of the first books I read.

why did you have to put that there? i swear... i get flash backs and crap just thinking about those things....

man.. i was riding my bike at dusk once and this crew was doing something to the power lines and the trees near them... and man... the whole time i was approaching them i kept seeing those damn greys (big eyed ****ers).. until i got up to them.. then i came into reality.. they were of course just people.

*shudder*

Mars, I'm testing myself on your avatar: "The truth conquers all?"

Yes, that's right! :D

Those greys are the only thing that truly freaks me out, BIGTIME. I don't know what it is about them, but if I see a pic of one and it is dark out I get *very* weirded out.

No, I wasn't abducted or anything like that, but I have an almost repulsive reflex at seeing one of them. EXTREMELY creepy.

http://www.afunk.com/other/greyalien/pictures/005.jpg
http://greyhunter.alien.de/greyhunter/Bilder/uploaded/Grey.GIF


I used to read all kinds of books about ufo's, etc, when I was young (elementary school and middle school age). I've read dozens and dozens of books, literally, a LOT. Betty Andriesen, Whit Strieber, Budd Hopkins, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I think most of it is hoax/fakes, and most of the people really into it seem mentally unbalanced. Most of the crash stuff seems pretty fake too.

I think there is some truth to -some- of it, but not sure what that truth is. Who knows. I only pay attention to it when I bump into it on the web (ie this thread). But not that interested anymore.

Strieber seems kinda "new age" to me, not sure what to think of him (honest? etc), but Communion was one of the first books I read.

Jesus christ..that's creepy. Definitely not a post I'd want to see at night.
This is less creepy, look, they're having an engineering meeting.
http://www.evula.org/dragoon/pics/aliens.jpg

Our 'laws of physics' apply only to the realm of reality and technology as we know it. I agree, one would think that life forms capable of interstellar travel would be more evolved, and most likely they are. But regardless of the level of evolution obtained by any speices... **** happens.

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Now see, we're getting to the reality of the discussion, Our laws of physics begin at our atmosphere. How many of those shooting stars that we so enjoy, and wish upon freely, are actually aliens swooping in just to go through the drive up window of, say, Sonic Drive In, just for effect? Could be that where they come from they don't need the frame resist that we do, and have no idea what they are dealing with on Earth.

I guess it's likely some of those critters got/get it right, pretty unlikely though. When you wish upon a star, just give a tiger pump, and say "yes...got another of those little green weenies"

Think of it like a interstellar bug zapper!

This is less creepy, look, they're having an engineering meeting.
Heh, Heh, resembles some of the engineering meetings I've been to, 'cept the alien engineers are better dressed and have better posture. :p

My "research" on aliens comes primarily from watching re-runs of the various generations of "Star Trek". I've been wondering why so many alien females are so good looking (if you overlook the "funny" ears, and other minor details). A planet of six foot tall supermodels wants to visit Earth? Why?

Heres my biggest problem with the whole alien thing:

I think its definitely possible that life exists elsewhere in the universe...but this whole little green men with big black eyes thing...is just totally bogus. As a matter of fact...any story or account of an alien having any kind of humanoid body structure is bogus...ie...hands and feet, two eyes, a head, etc.

Think about it...what are the odds that two planets light years apart would evolve two different species that are so similar that they both walk upright, both have hands with fingers, two eyes in the fronts of their heads, etc...? Totally improbable. If life did evolve elsewhere in the universe, chances are it evolved in a totally different way then life on Earth.

I think the common image of the humanoid alien in our culture has more of a psychological origin...people assuming (perhaps subconsciously) they would be similar to us without any evidence to justify it.

Life-forms elsewhere in the universe...definitely possible. Life-forms as similar to us as we are to chimps...no way in hell.

Perhaps they're trying to retrieve their most brilliant scientist.
http://img238.exs.cx/img238/4261/notrem9nk.gif
and that's why they keep crashing on the rescue missions?

Heres my biggest problem with the whole alien thing:

I think its definitely possible that life exists elsewhere in the universe...but this whole little green men with big black eyes thing...is just totally bogus. As a matter of fact...any story or account of an alien having any kind of humanoid body structure is bogus...ie...hands and feet, two eyes, a head, etc.

Think about it...what are the odds that two planets light years apart would evolve two different species that are so similar that they both walk upright, both have hands with fingers, two eyes in the fronts of their heads, etc...? Totally improbable. If life did evolve elsewhere in the universe, chances are it evolved in a totally different way then life on Earth.

I think the common image of the humanoid alien in our culture has more of a psychological origin...people assuming (perhaps subconsciously) they would be similar to us without any evidence to justify it.

Life-forms elsewhere in the universe...definitely possible. Life-forms as similar to us as we are to chimps...no way in hell.


Is is? Evolution has brought MOST of the higher species of earth to a similar physcial construct: Wether Biped or quadroped our bodies are construcred very much alike. Isn't this because evolution defaults to the betterment of the species? Is it possible that in a million years homosapiens will evolve to resemble the 'grays', or perhaps it's possible that homosapien is the result of a combination of (for example) cro-magnon & gray DNA.

Think about it... way.

I could imagine, if a creature evolved in a low-gravity environment with a very thin atmosphere, it sure won't as hell evolve to be humanoid, it'll probably be more like an octopus.

What I always wondered is, would it be possible to evolve into a wholly atmosphere-less species. I could imagine given a few million years, there might be a species that exists with a real strong exoskeleton, is large enough to store a lot of fuel, is tough enough to withstand re-entry, and has the ability to skip from planet to planet to refuel whatever chemicals it needs to propel itself out that atmosphere and to its next destination.

This is going to be my last post at this forums since what I have to say is so personal, it hurts. I know I will get many wannabe witty comments from various people on this forum, which is why it will hurt so much.

When I was a young teen, I was abducted by aliens. They say that you don't remember, but that is bull because I remember the entire thing. I was camping with my friend's family out in Indiana. My friend, who I will call Jason, and I were taking a walk through a big grassy open field. It was dark and we weren't able to see much. We saw a light though. It was in the distant woods. I didn't want to go towards it, but Jason was pretty mischevious and wanted to walk by. We thought it was campers. However, we got close and suddenly, something took over our minds and we were mesmerized. We kept walking towards the light. It was very frightening, and I began to cry, but something kept us walking towards the light. When we got there, everything turned into a white blur. The next thing I remember, I am lying on a table. There are two aliens above me. I felt a very uncomfortable pressure on my backside (you all know what that is). The entire time, I couldn't move. I wanted to scream, but I couldn't. It felt like a horrible nightmare. I never felt so helpless in my entire life. One of the aliens began to communicate with me telepathically. It tried to calm me down by telling me that what it was doing was for the good of our planet. It said that the most intelligent of our kind were too primitive to understand its ways, and that our planet was on the path of materialism and self-delusion. It told me that I wouldn't live to see 40 (I am now 32) since there would be a major natural holocaust. And although the holocaust is going to be a bad thing, in the long run it will be a good thing since the aliens will begin to breed a more intelligent species of humans on this earth. The new humans will be much more intelligent and would be further trusted with the secrets of the universe. It also emphasized that it was planned for 2013, but that it may not happen by then since they contracted out the natural disasters to a species that is constantly delivering services late. It also told me that there were several other human species just like ours throughout the universe, and that they are just as confused as us.

The next thing I know, I'm lying in the grass field covered in grass and dew. I was cold and shivering. I was also disoriented and I began to walk, although I didn't know where I was walking to. I was hoping to see a sign, campers, anything. Eventually, I saw people. I ran towards them and they were cops. They quickly grabbed me, walked me towards a cop car, and drove me to a local police station out in the middle of nowhere. Come to find out, Jason and I were missing for about 34 hours. At the police station, I was comforted. However, men in black suits and sunglasses frisked me and found LSD on me. C'mon now, do you think that I was taking LSD at the age of 12? I was reunited with my parents, then sent to drug rehab. They arrested a local camper for selling us the LSD. I could not believe it, I was being set up. They were discrediting me. Jason's parents bought the whole thing, and never believed any of his alien stories. My parents didn't believe me either, but they sent me to therapy. And although the doctor had me come to terms with what happened, he tried to convice me that it was a result of the LSD. I eventually agreed just so I could progress through my therapy, but I have always believed that I was abducted.

The only proof that I have is that I have a scoop taken out of my arm. Many abductees have this same thing.

Anyone that would try to find even an iota of wit or humor in your tale danr has got to be one sick sonofabicth. I admire you coming forth with your story, even thinking about it must be very traumatic.Thank you. Kudos for working through it.

Anyone that would try to find even an iota of wit or humor in your tale danr has got to be one sick sonofabicth. I admire you coming forth with your story, even thinking about it must be very traumatic.Thank you. Kudos for working through it.
you're such a good person. I thought his story was somewhat entertaining fiction.

If the Universe is 1/10 the size the smart guys indicate, that still leaves millions of potential planets out there that might support Life. To think we, sitting here way out from the center, are the best and brightest since the Big Bang is awfully egocentric IMO. With technology and innovation expanding in a geometric progression after only what 40,000 years or so of floundering around with wood and bones, it is plausible that a more intelligent life form existed here long before we made our entrance. Just because we can think does not mean there aren't others who can also. And from our recent performance, it wouldn't take a much higher intelligence to kick our butts intellectually, technically, or ethically.

As to crashing UFO's. Hey, ***** happens.