HumdrumPG
I'm doing a paper on bike laws and I was wondering if anyone had a sense of any states that are particularly progressive when it comes to bikes. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
progressive states for cyclists?
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Umbra
California I'm sure
Daily Commute
You will have a fun time defining "progressive." As this thread shows (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=84380), some cyclists consider bike lanes progressive, others consider them oppressive. For one perspective on what makes a community "progressive," check out the LAB Reform (http://labreform.org/advocacy.html) website. ("LAB" is the League of American Bicyclists.)
If you want an example of the debate, compare Portland's description (http://www.trans.ci.portland.or.us/bicycles/bluebike.htm) of its extensive bike lane network with a strong critique (http://www.johnforester.com/Articles/Facilities/BlueBikeLanes.htm).
This website (http://www.bicycledriving.com/trafficlaw.htm) discusses various pro- and anti-cycling laws and breaks them down state by state.
Here's a site (http://www.geocities.com/fredoswald/law-reform.html) that grades state laws by these criteria (http://www.geocities.com/fredoswald/bike-laws/rating-criteria.html). So far, North Carolina (http://www.geocities.com/fredoswald/bike-laws/NCarolina.rtf) has the best grade, a "B." The list is not complete.
At this site (http://ohiobike.org/cfc-Vandalia.html), the Ohio Bike Federation (http://ohiobike.org/) explains why it gave its "Cyclist Friendly Community Award (http://ohiobike.org/obf-cfc.html)" to Vandalia, Ohio.
Disclosure: My bias (and that of most of the sources I cite) is that bike lanes are generally not "progressive." In order to avoid a threadjack, I'll just refer you to the thread mentioned at the top of this post (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=84380) for the reasons.
If you want an example of the debate, compare Portland's description (http://www.trans.ci.portland.or.us/bicycles/bluebike.htm) of its extensive bike lane network with a strong critique (http://www.johnforester.com/Articles/Facilities/BlueBikeLanes.htm).
This website (http://www.bicycledriving.com/trafficlaw.htm) discusses various pro- and anti-cycling laws and breaks them down state by state.
Here's a site (http://www.geocities.com/fredoswald/law-reform.html) that grades state laws by these criteria (http://www.geocities.com/fredoswald/bike-laws/rating-criteria.html). So far, North Carolina (http://www.geocities.com/fredoswald/bike-laws/NCarolina.rtf) has the best grade, a "B." The list is not complete.
At this site (http://ohiobike.org/cfc-Vandalia.html), the Ohio Bike Federation (http://ohiobike.org/) explains why it gave its "Cyclist Friendly Community Award (http://ohiobike.org/obf-cfc.html)" to Vandalia, Ohio.
Disclosure: My bias (and that of most of the sources I cite) is that bike lanes are generally not "progressive." In order to avoid a threadjack, I'll just refer you to the thread mentioned at the top of this post (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=84380) for the reasons.
HumdrumPG
thanks umbra, i'll look into their laws. paper's due in about 4 hours, though, so not sure how good its going to come out.
alanbikehouston
The European Union is proposing that all of Europe adopt Holland's law: if a cyclist is injured by a motor vehicle, the motor vehicle operator must pay the cyclist's medical bills. Holland has discovered that the rule: "the motorist is always liable" causes drivers to be MUCH more respectful of people on bikes.
I do not know of any place in the USA with such a law. The motor vehicle industry is so powerful in the USA that I am surprised that bicycles are still allowed on public roadways.
The "unofficial" rule of the Houston Police Department is: when a cyclist is struck by a motor vehicle, the cylist had it coming. Just one driver has gone to jail for killing a cyclist in the past ten years in Houston...out of dozens of fatal collisions.
I do not know of any place in the USA with such a law. The motor vehicle industry is so powerful in the USA that I am surprised that bicycles are still allowed on public roadways.
The "unofficial" rule of the Houston Police Department is: when a cyclist is struck by a motor vehicle, the cylist had it coming. Just one driver has gone to jail for killing a cyclist in the past ten years in Houston...out of dozens of fatal collisions.
Jakey
Oregon is a fairly good state for cyclists... especially in Portland, Eugene and Corvallis...
lala
Idaho : bikes treat stop signs as yields and stop lights like stop signs. Rock out!
Shifty
Oregon is a fairly good state for cyclists... especially in Portland, Eugene and Corvallis...
I'll second that Jakey, there are several law firms in Portland that specialize in bike issues and law. Plus you can find information from Bicycle Transportation Alliance at http://www.bta4bikes.org/
I've lived in lots of places, this beats them all for bike friendly backed up in law.
I'll second that Jakey, there are several law firms in Portland that specialize in bike issues and law. Plus you can find information from Bicycle Transportation Alliance at http://www.bta4bikes.org/
I've lived in lots of places, this beats them all for bike friendly backed up in law.
velocity
I'll second that Jakey, there are several law firms in Portland that specialize in bike issues and law. Plus you can find information from Bicycle Transportation Alliance at http://www.bta4bikes.org/
I've lived in lots of places, this beats them all for bike friendly backed up in law.
I third that- it has over 400+ miles of bike lanes in the Portland area alone. Laws that say evertime a road is built or restored the addition of a bike lane is manditory.
Velocity
I've lived in lots of places, this beats them all for bike friendly backed up in law.
I third that- it has over 400+ miles of bike lanes in the Portland area alone. Laws that say evertime a road is built or restored the addition of a bike lane is manditory.
Velocity
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<snip> North Carolina has the best grade, a "B." <snip>
That's shocking. Really. Good to hear, but shocking...
I think we have much further to go.
Until the Triangle (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) starts looking like Portland or Madison, I'll still have my doubts.
Bike lanes are rare, so I guess 50% of the people think that's a good thing :rolleyes:
That's shocking. Really. Good to hear, but shocking...
I think we have much further to go.
Until the Triangle (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) starts looking like Portland or Madison, I'll still have my doubts.
Bike lanes are rare, so I guess 50% of the people think that's a good thing :rolleyes:
RegularGuy
I live in a particularly regressive state: Illinois. If you need negative examples, check out the League of Illinois Bicyclists' website and search on the "Boub" legislation.
03FinestAL
Oregon is a fairly good state for cyclists... especially in Portland, Eugene and Corvallis...
Now only if "Bubba" in his BIG FORD truck could figure this out......
Two days ago I was riding on West Union Rd just north of Hwy 26 when a MORON who was driving a big black Ford pick-up (the opposite direction) made absolutely positive that I could see him "giving me the bird" as he drove by.
The laws here are good, the drivers are idiots...... :mad:
Now only if "Bubba" in his BIG FORD truck could figure this out......
Two days ago I was riding on West Union Rd just north of Hwy 26 when a MORON who was driving a big black Ford pick-up (the opposite direction) made absolutely positive that I could see him "giving me the bird" as he drove by.
The laws here are good, the drivers are idiots...... :mad:
DieselDan
South Carolina's bike laws are pretty much basic "same rules, same rights" as autos with just a few exceptions. Very few special statutes have ever been written for bikes. Other then the blinking red light law, I can't remember anything special added in my adult life.
77Univega
- - And check out this entry from our own Bike Forums in November 22, 2004.
www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=76246&highlight=bicycle+friendly
www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=76246&highlight=bicycle+friendly
sbhikes
I think States might be too large a category. You may want to try municipalities. I'd say Santa Barbara ranks pretty high on the progressive scale if for no other reason than we have a strong bicycle coalition that has had a lot of effect on how roads are designed. That they would even be listened to seems progressive to me. Seems like university towns are usually progressive about laws in general.
Dahon.Steve
I'm doing a paper on bike laws and I was wondering if anyone had a sense of any states that are particularly progressive when it comes to bikes. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
I think New York City is very prograssive when it comes to bikes. We have a militant organzation (Transportation Alternatives) who fights and won many victories for the cyclist. They managed to get bike lanes, bike paths, 24/7 train access for bikes, access to many bridges etc.
However, as progressive as it seems, the city issues thousands of summons to cyclists each year. Bike theft is out of control and many bike lanes are in terrible shape.
I'm one of those who thinks bike racks are oppressive because they force you to park next to crooks on department store cycles.
I think New York City is very prograssive when it comes to bikes. We have a militant organzation (Transportation Alternatives) who fights and won many victories for the cyclist. They managed to get bike lanes, bike paths, 24/7 train access for bikes, access to many bridges etc.
However, as progressive as it seems, the city issues thousands of summons to cyclists each year. Bike theft is out of control and many bike lanes are in terrible shape.
I'm one of those who thinks bike racks are oppressive because they force you to park next to crooks on department store cycles.
Bruce Rosar
... any states that are particularly progressive when it comes to bikes.
You will have a fun time defining "progressive."
From the Bicycle-Specific Considerations in General Driving Rules section of the Bicycles and the Traffic Law (http://www.bicycledriving.com/trafficlaw.htm) paper by Dr. Paul Schimek All the general rules for driving vehicles apply to bicycles. There are very few bicycle-specific rules that are necessary. There are only a few sections of the general traffic rules that need to be revised to take bicycles into account. In fact, several states (AR, IN, IA, KY, NC) have hardly any statutes that apply exclusively to bicycles.
BTW, I've been traveling by bicycle in one of those states (NC) for over a dozen years. I've found that having all the vehicle drivers (cyclists are legally drivers here) use the same set of rules increases both safety (less confusion about who does what, when they do it, where they do it & why they do it) and efficiency (cyclists have the same right of way as motorists).
Same roads, same rights, same rules.
You will have a fun time defining "progressive."
From the Bicycle-Specific Considerations in General Driving Rules section of the Bicycles and the Traffic Law (http://www.bicycledriving.com/trafficlaw.htm) paper by Dr. Paul Schimek All the general rules for driving vehicles apply to bicycles. There are very few bicycle-specific rules that are necessary. There are only a few sections of the general traffic rules that need to be revised to take bicycles into account. In fact, several states (AR, IN, IA, KY, NC) have hardly any statutes that apply exclusively to bicycles.
BTW, I've been traveling by bicycle in one of those states (NC) for over a dozen years. I've found that having all the vehicle drivers (cyclists are legally drivers here) use the same set of rules increases both safety (less confusion about who does what, when they do it, where they do it & why they do it) and efficiency (cyclists have the same right of way as motorists).
Same roads, same rights, same rules.
John E
California rates pretty well among states, and I think much of San Diego County rates above most of the rest of the state. Never underestimate the power of a well-organized coalition!
2mtr
Not Hawaii!
Legality is one thing: Oahu, the capital island, is meant to have a comprehensive masterplan. Officially, the establishment backs bikes all the way.
Reality is another: Our government siphons money away from bike projects like crazy.
One huge sticking point in Hawaii law: bicyclist are treated as motorists: they must follow all rules and regulations, including that silly thing about not speeding. Except when it comes to right of way. We are forced into the extreme fringe of the road. And if there's a wide enough shoulder, the law says were MUST get off the road.
Legality is one thing: Oahu, the capital island, is meant to have a comprehensive masterplan. Officially, the establishment backs bikes all the way.
Reality is another: Our government siphons money away from bike projects like crazy.
One huge sticking point in Hawaii law: bicyclist are treated as motorists: they must follow all rules and regulations, including that silly thing about not speeding. Except when it comes to right of way. We are forced into the extreme fringe of the road. And if there's a wide enough shoulder, the law says were MUST get off the road.
KrisPistofferson
Oregon seems to rock in most every way. I'm lookin' to move there in a little bit...
John E
... One huge sticking point in Hawaii law: bicyclist are treated as motorists: they must follow all rules and regulations, including that silly thing about not speeding. Except when it comes to right of way. We are forced into the extreme fringe of the road. And if there's a wide enough shoulder, the law says were MUST get off the road. Actually, Hawaii closely follows California law:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/hrs0291c/hrs_0291c-0145.htm
including exception conditions under which you are NOT obligated to use the shoulder. We have argued this one in the bicycle coalition; in practice, I am not convinced I see a problem.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/hrs0291c/hrs_0291c-0145.htm
including exception conditions under which you are NOT obligated to use the shoulder. We have argued this one in the bicycle coalition; in practice, I am not convinced I see a problem.
Daily Commute
There should be an informal rule that anyone who uses this forum to request information for a paper or for publication should post a copy of the completed project (with names deleted, if the writer wants to).
HumdrumPG, could you post the paper when you're done?
HumdrumPG, could you post the paper when you're done?
chicharron
I'm doing a paper on bike laws and I was wondering if anyone had a sense of any states that are particularly progressive when it comes to bikes. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
I would not include Missouri,where I live, as a progressive bicylce state. Scottogo, who lives in Oregon, knows about Oregon, which seems pretty progresive as far as bicylces go.
I would not include Missouri,where I live, as a progressive bicylce state. Scottogo, who lives in Oregon, knows about Oregon, which seems pretty progresive as far as bicylces go.
Dchiefransom
The European Union is proposing that all of Europe adopt Holland's law: if a cyclist is injured by a motor vehicle, the motor vehicle operator must pay the cyclist's medical bills. Holland has discovered that the rule: "the motorist is always liable" causes drivers to be MUCH more respectful of people on bikes.
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Has it made the cyclists more responsible? I would be against a law such as this because it would hold a driver with a green light responsible for the injuries of a cyclist that ran a red light.
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Has it made the cyclists more responsible? I would be against a law such as this because it would hold a driver with a green light responsible for the injuries of a cyclist that ran a red light.
molten
Not Hawaii!
Legality is one thing: Oahu, the capital island, is meant to have a comprehensive masterplan. Officially, the establishment backs bikes all the way.
Reality is another: Our government siphons money away from bike projects like crazy.
One huge sticking point in Hawaii law: bicyclist are treated as motorists: they must follow all rules and regulations, including that silly thing about not speeding. Except when it comes to right of way. We are forced into the extreme fringe of the road. And if there's a wide enough shoulder, the law says were MUST get off the road. hawaiian law enforcement most likely will be slanted against those who live in the mainland of the U.S. 'Cause of the accusement in that they took the land away from the others.
Legality is one thing: Oahu, the capital island, is meant to have a comprehensive masterplan. Officially, the establishment backs bikes all the way.
Reality is another: Our government siphons money away from bike projects like crazy.
One huge sticking point in Hawaii law: bicyclist are treated as motorists: they must follow all rules and regulations, including that silly thing about not speeding. Except when it comes to right of way. We are forced into the extreme fringe of the road. And if there's a wide enough shoulder, the law says were MUST get off the road. hawaiian law enforcement most likely will be slanted against those who live in the mainland of the U.S. 'Cause of the accusement in that they took the land away from the others.
molten
also in the speaking about "progressive." They are aggressively against bicyclists. So even more ---- hope the xtreme of luck for any motorist that has this co. name.
SpokesInMyPoop
hawaiian law enforcement most likely will be slanted against those who live in the mainland of the U.S. 'Cause of the accusement in that they took the land away from the others.
sounds like someone's kinda bitter... take it to the honolulu rnr forum.
http://honolulu.craigslist.org/rnr
you'll meet likeminded ppl!
As for me, growing up in hawaii half white and embodying caucasian features, I was teased for looking "haole". It died off once I hit high school, but I was still referred to as the "haole girl". Then I move up here, and people think I'm either inuit or mexican. wtf.
but it takes one from the 'aina to understand that it's not really insulting.
sounds like someone's kinda bitter... take it to the honolulu rnr forum.
http://honolulu.craigslist.org/rnr
you'll meet likeminded ppl!
As for me, growing up in hawaii half white and embodying caucasian features, I was teased for looking "haole". It died off once I hit high school, but I was still referred to as the "haole girl". Then I move up here, and people think I'm either inuit or mexican. wtf.
but it takes one from the 'aina to understand that it's not really insulting.
thechrisproject
paper's due in about 4 hours, though, so not sure how good its going to come out.
:D That's funny. I'm so glad I'm not in school anymore.
:D That's funny. I'm so glad I'm not in school anymore.
Daily Commute
So, how'd the paper turn out?
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