Advocacy & Safety - Road Rage attack on bicyclist

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/031205cccawcncbeating.12e7b3b56.html

Warrant issued for mom in alleged road rage beating

08:52 AM EST on Saturday, March 12, 2005

By 6News Staff

A man was recovering from a beating Saturday after a road rage attack involving a family.

Police say man riding a bike and a woman driving a minivan got into an altercation and then the woman drove off.

A few minutes later, the man says the woman and her two sons tracked him down and beat him with a pool cue and metal walking stick.

Police say warrants have been issued for the mother, Karen Blackwell, for contributing for the delinquency of a minor.

A 16-year-old boy is wanted for assault with a deadly weapon and his 15-year-old brother's case will be handled in juvenile court.

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This is the complete story from the website. I can't believe what this woman and her kids did... Yet another reason why I do my best to be friendly when I'm out riding!

I'm curious as to what the "altercation" was.

Probably yet another stupid soccer mom wishing the annoying bicyclist would get his toy off the road and getting aggravated when he didn't.

Drivers can be such bastards sometimes.

Oh, and before you all start flaming me for taking the cyclist's side without "knowing the whole story," the cyclist is the one that got the crap beat out of him so I tend think the driver was the one with the mental stability problem.

Oh, and before you all start flaming me for taking the cyclist's side without "knowing the whole story," the cyclist is the one that got the crap beat out of him so I tend think the driver was the one with the mental stability problem.

The cyclist could have cut her off, smacked her car, and called her every four-letter word in the book, and it still wouldn't have justified a beating with a pool cue, and a metal cane.

-Trevor

what the ****.

Someone pisses you off, so you drive home, get you're two sons and drive around till you find the guy and then beat him up.

What kind of parent tells their kid to do this ****?

Maybe its because I cycle, but I get pretty rageful when I drive, especially here in LA... I'm talking violent... however, when I see a bicyclist... it actually calms my nerves (not to mention makes me jealous) - I then direct my rage towards other drivers not showing the rider any respect.

Probably yet another stupid soccer mom wishing the annoying bicyclist would get his toy off the road and getting aggravated when he didn't. Drivers can be such bastards sometimes. Oh, and before you all start flaming me for taking the cyclist's side without "knowing the whole story," the cyclist is the one that got the crap beat out of him so I tend think the driver was the one with the mental stability problem.

Let's turn it around just for perspective:

"Probably yet another stupid cyclist wishing the polluting SUV would get off the road and aggravated when he didn't. Cyclists can be such bastards sometimes. Oh, and before you all start flaming me for taking the SUV's side without "knowing the whole story," the SUV is the one that got scratched, the window broken, and cursed for no apparent reason so I tend to think the cyclist was the one with the mental stability problem."

Sounds silly, doesn't it..

WE DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY!

Not everyone who cycles is "on the side of the angels." I don't argue that the mom and her kids were excessive; maybe even stupid. I merely say that we don't know how much they were provoked. I've seen a video of a pedestrian who (for no apparent reason) picks up a 2x4 and breaks all the windows out of a car that just happens to be at a stop sign before the driver can escape. Does it justify getting your kids and coming back for some "catch-up?" No - but I can understand the impulse.

I don't argue that the mom and her kids were excessive; maybe even stupid. I merely say that we don't know how much they were provoked.

I don't give a damn how they were provoked. Unless the cyclist took a swing with a cane and a metal walking stick, nothing warranted what happened to him. Seeing as that situation is highly unlikely, I doubt anything the cyclist did would qualify their retaliation as rational.

Sorry bro. One guy got chased down and beaten. It wasn't even in the heat of the moment, which while not excusable is at least more understandable. This was a premeditated attack that involved the decision to go home, get some weapons, then hunt down the cyclist and beat him.

I don't need to know the whole story to know who's wrong in this case.

I'm really curious to know what he may have done to provoke such an attack. In any case, sometimes you just have to let things go. There are so many dangerously ******** drivers out there that if you pick a fight with every single one of them (even if you have a good reason), you will eventually be victimized.

he probably yelled at her or gave her "the" finger. That seems to be the most common way cyclists "fight back" against motorists when they feel they are wronged.

I don't give a damn how they were provoked. Unless the cyclist took a swing with a cane and a metal walking stick, nothing warranted what happened to him. Seeing as that situation is highly unlikely, I doubt anything the cyclist did would qualify their retaliation as rational.

Sorry bro. One guy got chased down and beaten. It wasn't even in the heat of the moment, which while not excusable is at least more understandable. This was a premeditated attack that involved the decision to go home, get some weapons, then hunt down the cyclist and beat him.

I don't need to know the whole story to know who's wrong in this case.

Exactly.....

When someone yells at you and damages your property, you do not have the right to strike them. Just for that and that alone. As far as I know this is the law. It certainly is the right thing to do. (not strike them).
It is however your right to be furious. And it sure is easy to want to hit someone smashing your property. But to go home get prepared and seek out the other person? Wrong.

These days this is on the news a lot, you would think both parties would be worried about the other having a gun!

Not everyone who cycles is "on the side of the angels." Agreed - but everyone who rides is on my side, even though a lot of them sometimes piss me off!

Of course... the angels may have um... darker wings than normal... :D

If the cyclist had died from the beating, it would have been pre-meditated murder. According to the post, the perp went home, got helpers, who armed themselves and went looking for the victim and inflicted harm.

If the cyclist had caused any damage to the driver's property she had every right to call the cops.

Yet another example of why cyclists should avoid confrontation with motorists. Who knows what soccer moms will do after you diss them?

BTW, I have nothing against suv-driving soccer moms, in general. Some of them are the kindest people you'll ever meet.

Hopefully they all get time.
Then there will be three less zits on the a$$ of society.

Enjoy

On the other hand it's hard to become a soccer mom if you beat up every biker you see. No, this biker was somehow deemed especially deserving of some whupass by the crazy beyatch. Wrong place wrong time to be a tough guy I guess. It's a violent world.

I'm really curious to know what he may have done to provoke such an attack. In any case, sometimes you just have to let things go. There are so many dangerously ******** drivers out there that if you pick a fight with every single one of them (even if you have a good reason), you will eventually be victimized.

He may not have done anything... on the other hand a group of people can work each other up with group think and escalate a situation.

The other day this lady was honking at me and yelling "move over" while I rode in the right tire track away from a bunch of parked cars... the guy in the next lane over decided to join her in the rant. Group think. One escalating thought can "enable" others. Also known as a mob scene.

If you still have your badge from when you were a crossing guard in grade school you could pin it to your wallet and flash it to the cagers that honk at you.
It would probably calm them down and there is nothing illegal about it.

Enjoy

Probably yet another stupid soccer mom wishing the annoying bicyclist would get his toy off the road and getting aggravated when he didn't.

Drivers can be such bastards sometimes.

Oh, and before you all start flaming me for taking the cyclist's side without "knowing the whole story," the cyclist is the one that got the crap beat out of him so I tend think the driver was the one with the mental stability problem.

vincenzosi, I agree 100%. All I need to hear is the word minivan and right away it is usually a dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman, the driver definatly had a mental problem.

Yet another example of why cyclists should avoid confrontation with motorists. Who knows what soccer moms will do after you diss them?

BTW, I have nothing against suv-driving soccer moms, in general. Some of them are the kindest people you'll ever meet.

other than the fact that they are crazy

Becca -- let us know more details if/when you find out; I think our collective imagination is going wild :eek:

vincenzosi, I agree 100%. All I need to hear is the word minivan and right away it is usually a dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman, the driver definatly had a mental problem.

Is it really a "dumb woman" or perhaps it is just being caged up with 4-5 kids yelling and screaming...

Also try to recall that you too were once a kid... and had a mom...

Is it really a "dumb woman" or perhaps it is just being caged up with 4-5 kids yelling and screaming...

Also try to recall that you too were once a kid... and had a mom...

I don't know about you, but my mom never rounded up the kids for a good ole fun-filled family assault.

YRMV.

how bout, 'you might be a redneck if...'

If the cyclist had died from the beating, it would have been pre-meditated murder. According to the post, the perp went home, got helpers, who armed themselves and went looking for the victim and inflicted harm.


Even as it stands now she'll be likely to get a harsher penalty because she had a cooling-off period while she went home, go tthe helpers and weapons and came back. She had lots of chances to stop and change her mind.

WTF, was the converstion at home I wonder... "Hey, this guy on a bike just yelled at me... who wants to go back and beat his ass?"

I don't know about you, but my mom never rounded up the kids for a good ole fun-filled family assault.

YRMV.

Well now y'all don' know what yo missin' :rolleyes:

Actually my comment was in reference to someone earlier saying "just say minivan and there's some dumb woman..."

I don't think that is a valid connection: "dumb woman and minivan." Yeah, I am being a bit PC here... but darn it, we've all been kids, and we've all had moms... "dumb woman" is not really a valid connection.

Now on the flip side... in this road rage incident... throw the book at this dumb woman!

Now on the flip side... in this road rage incident... throw the book at this dumb woman!

I think people were drawing on the current experience here, but I'll cede the point.

And they should definitely throw the book at the *****. Or better yet... Throw a metal walking stick and a pool cue at her! :roflmao:

I drive a minivan and pass all cyclists safely and by a wide margin! :D

I hate to generalize, but... OK, wtf.

Having grown up and lived in the South for over thirty years, this sounds like some good ole cracker family fun to me.

Is it really a "dumb woman" or perhaps it is just being caged up with 4-5 kids yelling and screaming...

Also try to recall that you too were once a kid... and had a mom...

genec, I was a kid once and I still have my mom and when I was a kid I would never think of doing something as stupid as this mother and her kids did. If that woman is caged up with 4-5 lkids screaming than maybe she should get a bike and let her kids ride with her.

genec, I was a kid once and I still have my mom and when I was a kid I would never think of doing something as stupid as this mother and her kids did. If that woman is caged up with 4-5 lkids screaming than maybe she should get a bike and let her kids ride with her.

Would you have called your mom "dumb?"

Nope and neither would I.. My original reference was that that "Minivan does NOT = Dumb woman." I decried this one generalization made by another poster.

This particular instance of road rage is quite deplorable and does = dumb woman.

But, a blanket statement of "minivan = dumb woman" is not true.

These days this is on the news a lot, you would think both parties would be worried about the other having a gun!

Hmmm, and here I am wondering why they say gun control is a good idea....

Would you have called your mom "dumb?"

Nope and neither would I.. My original reference was that that "Minivan does NOT = Dumb woman." I decried this one generalization made by another poster.

This particular instance of road rage is quite deplorable and does = dumb woman.

But, a blanket statement of "minivan = dumb woman" is not true.

genec, I would never call my mom dumb, but obviously this mother was DUMB!!!! I neve said that all minivans = dumb woman, I said this minivan driver is a dumb woman because she is and so are her kids.

genec, I would never call my mom dumb, but obviously this mother was DUMB!!!! I neve said that all minivans = dumb woman, I said this minivan driver is a dumb woman because she is and so are her kids.

What you said was:


vincenzosi, I agree 100%. All I need to hear is the word minivan and right away it is usually a dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman, the driver definatly had a mental problem.


So in a separate sentence, and separated by a comma from a conclusion: "All I need to hear is the word minivan and right away it is usually a dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman..."

Thereby "usually" equating "dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman" when you hear: "minivan."

Now it really is not true that minivans are driven by "dumb soccer moms," is it?

However, in this one case, the minivan driver was perhaps indeed a "dumb mom."

But don't make the generalization... OK? There are many many "soccer moms" and minivan driving women, that are NOT dumb,: out there that are really trying to do their best to raise children, just like mine... and maybe even yours.

What you said was:


So in a separate sentence, and separated by a comma from a conclusion: "All I need to hear is the word minivan and right away it is usually a dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman..."

Thereby "usually" equating "dumb soccer mom or some dumb woman" when you hear: "minivan."

Now it really is not true that minivans are driven by "dumb soccer moms," is it?

However, in this one case, the minivan driver was perhaps indeed a "dumb mom."

But don't make the generalization... OK? There are many many "soccer moms" and minivan driving women, that are NOT dumb,: out there that are really trying to do their best to raise children, just like mine... and maybe even yours.

I said usually I didn't say all. In this case she was a dumb woman.

I hate to generalize, but... OK, wtf.

Having grown up and lived in the South for over thirty years, this sounds like some good ole cracker family fun to me.


i ain't never met no crackers then. where do you find such beasts?

Trailer parks :-)

I hate to generalize, but... OK, wtf.

Having grown up and lived in the South for over thirty years, this sounds like some good ole cracker family fun to me.
Yea, because blacks, hispanics, , ,etc. never gang up on anyone.
The only race issues on this forum involve me dropping you on the flats.
Enjoy

Yea, because blacks, hispanics, , ,etc. never gang up on anyone.
The only race issues on this forum involve me dropping you on the flats.
Enjoy

I think he meant white-trash, not white people...

I think he meant white-trash, not white people...
Oh, sorry, exactly how dark can your skin be to still fall into that category?

Soccer moms can be mean. They are invincible in their Windstars . . .

Soccer moms can be mean. They are invincible in their Windstars . . .


Umm, if most soccer Moms face as much flak and frustration as my wife they need to be mean (at times) and tough as nails. If you have a mini-van full of kids you have to have a resolve of steal, or 5 or 6 straight jackets and gags. Any Mom that is transporting 3 or more kids oftentimes are already on the edge of madness anyway even before running into you so I try not to be the last straw.

Not saying that kids can't be cute, nice and sweet sometimes, but it is handy to remember that a Mom could be chaufering a pack of screaming demons around town at the time you run into them.

I can't find it - but I remember reading a psych article not too long ago about a link between increasing road rage among women and increasing popularity of oversized vehicles...

Oh, sorry, exactly how dark can your skin be to still fall into that category?

Take a pill man.

Seriously.

Not saying that kids can't be cute, nice and sweet sometimes, but it is handy to remember that a Mom could be chaufering a pack of screaming demons around town at the time you run into them.

It's not like she had a primal reaction right then and there. That would have been an entirely different situation. Instead, she went home, rounded up the kids, and went out for a good ole fashioned whoop-ass session. That's the real problem. Even if she was chaufering some wonderful young ones, she didn't react immediately. If she had killed this guy, it would've been murder one.

We carry extra penalties for our actions when they're premeditated.

I think he meant white-trash, not white people...

Correct. I am, in fact, an Anglo-American.

However, I am not a dumba$$, ignorant, mean, redneck white-trash cracker. The kind of person I have seen do this kind of thing enough times to validate a stereotype.

It's not like she had a primal reaction right then and there. That would have been an entirely different situation. Instead, she went home, rounded up the kids, and went out for a good ole fashioned whoop-ass session. That's the real problem. Even if she was chaufering some wonderful young ones, she didn't react immediately. If she had killed this guy, it would've been murder one.

We carry extra penalties for our actions when they're premeditated.


I was just referring to the soccer mom comment (seems like soccer moms take a lot of flak in this forum sometimes and i just wanted to say something in their behalf). The description of this lady doesn't sound like your average soccer Mom to me (kids are older for one thing). The fact that she came back later puts her out of the category of frazzled Mom and into the category of vindictive maniac in my opinion.

To hell with the soccer moms already. How dare you interfere with the lives of so many priviledged automobile-driving Americans! Don't you know they have somewhere to be? Don't you know that you are stealing 5 minutes away from their valuable lives, in possession of which they might otherwise be able to spend another 5 minutes gracing the couch, eating an Atkins dinner? Another 5 minutes to be loyal consumers by watching cable television? Or 5 minutes to enjoy a cup of coffee and check e-messages in the office? Don't you care about your country? Why must you injure the homeland with your wanton neglect of gasoline purchase?! Why do you insist on buying 17 lbs of european alloys, for the same price as a fine American flatbed truck?! Why?! Terrorists, all of you!

To hell with the soccer moms already. How dare you interfere with the lives of so many priviledged automobile-driving Americans! Don't you know they have somewhere to be? Don't you know that you are stealing 5 minutes away from their valuable lives, in possession of which they might otherwise be able to spend another 5 minutes gracing the couch, eating an Atkins dinner? Another 5 minutes to be loyal consumers by watching cable television? Or 5 minutes to enjoy a cup of coffee and check e-messages in the office? Don't you care about your country? Why must you injure the homeland with your wanton neglect of gasoline purchase?! Why do you insist on buying 17 lbs of european alloys, for the same price as a fine American flatbed truck?! Why?! Terrorists, all of you!

Another 5 minutes to be the fattest humans on the planet... oops, they just may need those 5 minutes...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=541&ncid=541&e=2&u=/ap/20050316/ap_on_he_me/fit_obesity_longevity

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