I love jazz, definately one of the most refined art forms of our time

I'm a trombone player...I'd have to agree. Did you know Jazz is the ONLY true American art form? I'm a big Andrew Sisters fan, Harry James, Dizzy. I really only dig big band though, not much of a cool fan.

Oh man i just made a long post in the funk thread....

Any way I love jazz, I think that jazz can suck though, like the really really really modern stuff really kills me. But like original jazz is awsome. I have to say i love Almost all of buddy riches cds because of the power that you get from listening to it just rocks. Then theres ella fitzgerald who is the ****!

I play the stuff too, i think its a lot of fun to play it when a drummer is able to express himself instead of having to keep this quiet ass beat the whole song. Oh of course there RAY charles who i think is one of the many gods of music. Theres just so much to talk about with jazz....

Most modern jazz does suck, but there are a few talents out there. Yeah "cool" jazz can be bad at times but it depends who your talking about. It sort of hurts to hear you say that because all of my favorite jazz is from 55-71. It all depends who it is though. Im a drummer so there must have to be something w/ a good drummer.Elvin Jones is incredible, best with Coltrane for sure. Horace Silver is great and I dont think hes recognized enough. Dizzie, dont even get me started..incredible. I also like fusion or cross over or whatever, I think a lot of it is very smart if you reeally listen to it. A lot of people dont give it a chance though because its so loud and intense.

Jazz is the best ever. if you ever want to learn about music and theory and really dive into the complexities then jazz is for you. For real musicians and by real musicians,not rock..i dont consider most musicians......except Neil Peart..LOL

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I can get what your saying, some of the stuff sucks and some of the stuff i think is absolutely amazing!

name some of your most influential drummers hi565. Also how long have you been playing for?
here is a few of mine:
-Elvin Jones -John Bonham
-Billy Cobham -Buddy Rich(talented guy but a huge A$s hole)
-Jimmy Cobb -Jack DeJohnette
-Roy Haynes -Jimmy Chamberlin

Oh god you want me to list them!

OK

Buddy Rich
Gene Krupa
Elvin Jones
Yuri Zbitnoff (my drum teacher lithiq.com )
Dennis Chambers
Neil Peart (of course)
John Bonham
Billy ward (he is a very interesting player)
Steve Smith
Mr. Gadd (Steve Gadd that is)
Chad Smith (kind of)
Vinnie Colaiuta
Mark Mondesir (that guy is really an amzing player)
Carter Beauford (I cant even follow his playing!)
JoJo Mayer (Fast ass feet!)
John Blackwell
Gerry Brown
Airto Moreira
Ginger Baker
Terry Bozzio(MONSTER SET)
Max Roach
Antonio Sanchez
?uestlove (hes basic but he has the groove)

And many mmmmooorreeee! :D

I have been playing drums in general (as in school band) for 6 years, and set for about 3. I ahve only really been getting better with my set playing for the most recent two.

Oh and I reccomend you check out my drum teachers website. The music is different, but its really amazing.

I can also telly ou what im playing if you want to start that.

My drum teacher (my second teacher ive had) Has been an amazing portal in a sense to explanding my drumming and doing this that ive never done before.

Cool. Yeah taking lessons really helps. Ive been playinf for over five years, but I never took a formal lesson until a year ago. I taught myself almost everything I know, I started studying in the begining, but I got lazy for over two years before I started again. It was like I wasnt ready for that yet,so i just got my grooves down and went back to parrididles and rudiments. Then it all came rather quickly. But now Im in a slump. It seems like ive been in the same place for the past four months. I am the house drummer at this open mic in my town,its cool cause i get to play, but its mostly covers, rock covers too.Its not chalenging and i learn nothin. Sometimes some guys come and we jam out some blues standards, but thats my highlight for like two weeks. I guess ill just keep practicing on a apillow and hope it follows me behind my kit.

My Jazz Faves:

Max Roach
Gene Krupa
Benny Goodman
Charles Mingus
Thelonious Monk
Cannonball Adderley
Sun Ra
John McLaughlin
Billy Cobham
Jaco Pastorius
Chick Corea
Herbie Hancock
and of course, Bird, Miles and Coltrane

Yeah, Mahavishnu Orchestra kicks ass

Cool. Yeah taking lessons really helps. Ive been playinf for over five years, but I never took a formal lesson until a year ago. I taught myself almost everything I know, I started studying in the begining, but I got lazy for over two years before I started again. It was like I wasnt ready for that yet,so i just got my grooves down and went back to parrididles and rudiments. Then it all came rather quickly. But now Im in a slump. It seems like ive been in the same place for the past four months. I am the house drummer at this open mic in my town,its cool cause i get to play, but its mostly covers, rock covers too.Its not chalenging and i learn nothin. Sometimes some guys come and we jam out some blues standards, but thats my highlight for like two weeks. I guess ill just keep practicing on a apillow and hope it follows me behind my kit.


Yah, I can feel your pain... YOu basically should find someone (a friend?) who plays some form of an instrument, probably a guitar, bass, sax, key board etc. and see if they just want to jam! Thats what i do. I ask if they want to come over and play for the hell of it and i do it.

Another thing look into these books by Gary chaffee http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2529417-2083356 Gary chaffee is an amazing drummer and all the things that are covered in his books are really great. Technique patterns has these stickes that once you know them they stay with you forever, and they are such a portal to different ways of drumming.

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Parradiddle, Parradiddle...

What about Art Blakey? The hardest hitting jazz drummer I can think of.

I'm a trombone player...I'd have to agree. Did you know Jazz is the ONLY true American art form? I'm a big Andrew Sisters fan, Harry James, Dizzy. I really only dig big band though, not much of a cool fan.


I did big band and swing era stuff myself.

It is hard finding some of the older stuff on CD's now (for me anyway)

Do you have a place for me to look so I can expand my collection?

Thanks

I'm a jazz guitar player. At least, I've been working at it for several decades :)

I mostly play a couple restaurant gigs and other background music type affairs a month, and I'm really happy with that. Mostly I play with just a bass player, but also some larger groups. I've got to say that it is really difficult to find a good jazz drummer. I've played with many drummers (in fact most) who seem to think that whoever smahes their drumset the hardest is the one who wins. Just my two cents -- if you can learn how to play tastefully and quietly, you'll be able to get a lot of work.

I'd vote for Elvin personally, but all those guys you menton are great.

Who saw Ken Burns' Jazz documentary?
What did you think about it?

I personally like the performer-specific CDs (http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/catalog/SearchAction.do?searchBy=Quick&keyword=ken+burns&x=0&y=0) that were released with the documentary.

Also, speaking of new jazz, who likes the Bad Plus?

Sun-Ra - nuff' said

Also, speaking of new jazz, who likes the Bad Plus?
I do!

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My sediments exactly. Bangin on the drums usualy isnt cool,There are exceptions of course,like Cobham. Elvin was great,he was a hard hitter at times but he had such a delicate feel at the same time. He made his drums/cymbals sing, such a beautiful drummer.
I myself try to just play smooth and keep the time down, never playin fancy except givin an opportunty to.
A year or two back Blue Note released The Complete Elvin Jones Sessions on Blue Note.They only made a limited amount,I dont know where to get it, I dont order stuff on the internet, I treid going through several shops but none could get ahold of it. Has anyone heard it or seen it anywhere?

No body mentioned the west coast drummers Shelly Mann or Stan Levy. Maybe they are too long ago for some of you to remember or know about.

An underrated trombone player was Jimmy Cleveland.

Just picked up another Sun-Ra. I really think those who are big Coltrane/Monk/Davis/etc fans should give Sun-ra a try if you haven't already:
The futuristic Sounds of Sun Ra
Jazz in Silhouette

I really like Grover Washington, but what I like are jazz songs that are either piano jazz or a sax jazz solo thing. That just really makes me relax a ton.

Koffee

I really like Grover Washington, but what I like are jazz songs that are either piano jazz or a sax jazz solo thing. That just really makes me relax a ton.

Koffee


If you like that then I would recomend Horace Silver, very nice....Coltrane a lot..........
....and a little Mahavishnu if your feeling loud.