It seems there is a renewed and invigorated interest in cruisers, choppers and lowriders in the bicycling world with the introduction of the massively successful Schwinn Stingray bicycle last year (approx 750,000 units sold) and the adult Spoiler version launched late in the year. Other models such as Nirve Cannibal and Switchblade, the Giant Stiletto, The Kona Chopper and a wide selection of beach cruisers are selling briskly throughout north America. However, this site seems to cater toward the road, racing, commuting and training cyclist moreso than those who prefer cruisers. Perhaps the site can attract an entirely new and exciting audience and membership by appealing more to these equally 'serious' cyclists. Thanks.

Ya I noticed that my LBS is filled with $700 crusiers, and at a bike show before the march brake there were quite a few.

I'd support a 'silly bike' section for bikes modified for reasons other than performance. That would include pre-made choppers and lowriders, as well as wacky stuff people make like home-made choppers, tall bikes, giraffes, bucking bikes, art bikes, and all the other things that junkyard bikes get ressurected as.

I've been making a double decker tall bike, and it hasn't been easy to find places to discuss it.

peace,
sam

I'd support a 'silly bike' section for bikes modified for reasons other than performance. That would include pre-made choppers and lowriders, as well as wacky stuff people make like home-made choppers, tall bikes, giraffes, bucking bikes, art bikes, and all the other things that junkyard bikes get ressurected as.

I've been making a double decker tall bike, and it hasn't been easy to find places to discuss it.

peace,
sam

I don't know if I'd consider cruisers and choppers silly: I take mine seriously and they cost me serious cash, but I think there should be an unusual bike section for tall bikes, over-sized bikes etc. I saw a bike with 36" wheels that I want to buy :) That thing is huge!

I'd say any bike that doesn't have usability as its highest design goal is a 'silly' bike, and I don't mean that in a bad way. :) I'd say choppers are very silly, but I still love em.

Anyway, custom bikes aren't really discussed anywhere here, with the vague exception of some custom performance frames in the track section. I think a custom bike forum could include everything from the cruisers and choppers up through the more wacky bikes. I mean, there can't be THAT many of us, and you don't want to spread things too thin too soon, you know?

peace,
sam

Perhaps the enthusiasts of chopper bikes are serious about them, but I seriously question their functionality.Would you want to take this type of bike for a 20 mile ride pushing a 4 inch wide tire better suited to a motorcycle or are these types of bicycles more show than go?Chopper bikes are trying to be something they really are not to me a bicycles beauty is in part determined by its functionality and efficiency .I .E form follows function.

Perhaps the enthusiasts of chopper bikes are serious about them, but I seriously question their functionality.Would you want to take this type of bike for a 20 mile ride pushing a 4 inch wide tire better suited to a motorcycle or are these types of bicycles more show than go?Chopper bikes are trying to be something they really are not to me a bicycles beauty is in part determined by its functionality and efficiency .I .E form follows function.


go back behind your white picket fence.

I'd say any bike that doesn't have usability as its highest design goal is a 'silly' bike, and I don't mean that in a bad way. :) I'd say choppers are very silly, but I still love em.

Anyway, custom bikes aren't really discussed anywhere here, with the vague exception of some custom performance frames in the track section. I think a custom bike forum could include everything from the cruisers and choppers up through the more wacky bikes. I mean, there can't be THAT many of us, and you don't want to spread things too thin too soon, you know?

peace,
sam

It seems everyone is focusing on the 'chopper' part of 'cruiser / chopper / lowrider' title or assuming that enthusiasts are all customizing the choppers they are buying. There are a few manufacturers who make a very rideable, comfortable and functional chopper now that don't need a lot of modifications. I have been commuting my usual 10 mile (5 each way) approx. on a Giant Stiletto the past few weeks and am impressed with its comfort, speed and, of course, style. The Nirve choppers are also efficient bikes that I'd consider commuting on. I usually ride a Fuji Shangri-la 3-speed beach cruiser and have commuted on it daily for two years, but the Stiletto is faster. I have also commuted on my new Firebike (7.6 ft long stretch-cruiser). I wouldn't consider any of these bikes for long commutes or trail riding or touring or anything like that, but is that the only measure of bicycling? James Haury questions the functionality of choppers (doesn't mention beach-cruisers, etc though) and asks whether you'd take one on a 20-mile ride. Of course not. They aren't designed for that. If I enjoyed (and my back could handle being bent forward for 20 miles) long commutes I'd have a light-weight touring bike, but is that the only kind of riding we do? Don't we also take short local trips, rides down to the beach or boardwalk, through parks, etc? That's what a chopper is for. And yes, they are all about the bling-bling, but they have become more than that in recent years with multi-speed (my Stiletto is 7-speed) and other new technology (disc brakes). And, yes, customizers love to make them unique.

My point is not everyone is riding 20 mile trips everywhere all the time. We also ride for fun and that's where a cruuiser / chopper section would be aimed: at the fun side of cycling. Use the touring, racing and road bikes for what they're intended for and use cruisers for what they're intended for, that's all.

Perhaps the enthusiasts of chopper bikes are serious about them, but I seriously question their functionality.Would you want to take this type of bike for a 20 mile ride pushing a 4 inch wide tire better suited to a motorcycle or are these types of bicycles more show than go?Chopper bikes are trying to be something they really are not to me a bicycles beauty is in part determined by its functionality and efficiency .I .E form follows function.

While I agree with you on this a lot of folks don't seem to and I see no harm in having a form for their bikes. I may not spend a lot of time reading it, but that's not important. Besides they might come up with a good idea if only by accident -;)

Joe

I love chopper bikes !!
I love the imagination of the people who build them.
I will never forget my first bike, a blue Stingray in 1968 and canabalizing countless
other bikes afterward in hopes of having the wackiest bike in the neighborhood.
I put about 12 miles a day on a SoCal Lowrider when I live closer to my job.
It got waaaaay more positive attention than my custom Harley ever did. :D
For all you 'real' and 'serious' cyclists....Its OK to have fun when you ride...really!

I'm down with a section for Kustom Kruizers and other odd creations. Tall bikes, small bikes, art bikes, swing bikes, choppers and other creations, both factory-built and home-made, attract a larger number of cyclists every year. More than half my bike collection now fits this category. Bike punk culture is getting bigger all the time also, and would fit into this category as well, IMO.

this is a joke right? *rolls eyes* Oh well, if it makes you happy, go for it.

I'm down with a section for Kustom Kruizers and other odd creations. Tall bikes, small bikes, art bikes, swing bikes, choppers and other creations, both factory-built and home-made, attract a larger number of cyclists every year. More than half my bike collection now fits this category. Bike punk culture is getting bigger all the time also, and would fit into this category as well, IMO.


I thought how kool it might be to put HUGE black tape wrapped ape hangers on my new BBQ
black P2.........I put on some high rise ReVells instead though :rolleyes: but who knows....Ill assault anyones sensibilities on any level where appropriate ha ha :D

For some really, really tuff bikes and uber-serious builders do a web search on the Activist Hero's
of our culture and generation, CHUNK 6.6.6.

Custom 'wacky' bikes are made by people wanting to have some fun with their old bikes. If you are going to criticize them, then you should give up all of the things that you do to your bike that isn't based purely on practicality. For instance, PWRDbyTRD is wearing a pretty hot pair of sunglasses in his avatar. Mirrored surfaces don't do anything for sunglass function, which is handled by tint, optics, and polarized coatings. Mirrored coatings are just for looks. JUST FOR FUN! Thats all well and good, I'm glad he's got sunglasses he likes. So why does he think that having a bike that is just for fun is such a laughable idea? I don't know.

Some people ride track bikes on the street, or ride their fixies brakeless, not necessarily because it is the most practical thing ever, but because they enjoy it more. Other people ride mountain bikes on the street because they like hopping up and down curbs as they ride, not because it gets them there faster, but because they enjoy doing it. People have fun picking colors for their bikes, or choosing stickers, or clothing. Fun!

I like to find old department store bikes in the trash, and turn them into something FUN! I don't see what is wrong with that. I can take 3 unusable Magnas, and turn them into one tall-bike (that I can actually commute on, and do occasionally). It isn't any more practical than a regular bike, and probably a little less, but at least its another bike, its a lot of fun, and it attracts a lot of attention to bicycling.

The fact that these custom kreations aren't made in factories by svelt italians and emblazoned with logos of companies who's name they can't pronounce means they aren't real bicycles. But that would be missing the point of bicycling, using your body to get around, and enjoy it at the same time. And some of us twisted souls enjoy bizarre bikes as much as we enjoy our regular ones.

So anyway, no custom bike hatin', unless you can prove that you've never once made a decision based on appearance or enjoyment factors, in addition to practicality.

peace,
sam

...CHUNK 6.6.6....
If you're ever in Portland, Oregon September-ish, the Chunkatulon is an awesome event... :D

C.H.V.N.K 666 http://www.dclxvi.org/chunk/
Known probable upcoming events:
April 29 is the Organ Donor Invitational Pub Crawl.
April 30 is the Organ Donor Invitational Tallbike Jousting Tournament.

We already have this, it's called the 'bent forum.

We already have this, it's called the 'bent forum.
We're talkin' about a whole different animal here... :)

go back behind your white picket fence.
So answer the question would you ride very far on them?I have nothing against a discussion area for them ,but you do not have to be rude.I gave my opinion and you bit my head off.I built a chopper style bike as a teen but I'm into folders now.You do not have to be defensive after all your purchase from the lbs keeps it going as much as money spent on a road bike or folder would. :D

I'll do some market research, and think about it. Thats the best answer I can give at this point.

Joe - what's being offered 'in the market' is only part of this phenomena. A lot of these bikes are homemade and there's a big 'alt bike culture' scene going on in cities all over the US around these bikes, and events that cater to their owners and riders.

Randy, do you think the forum would be self supporting and self promoting in the alt bike culture? If I can get 2 - 3 new threads a day in a "alt bike culture" (i like that name... may use it for the title of the forum!) forum, I'll open it up.

I'm guessing a little here, but I think you'd get at least two or three new threads a day, once people knew the forum was up and running. I'm not sure about donations from the DIY folks, a lot of them are living on the edge already; but there are also a lot of lowrider, cruiser and chopper folks who purchase commercially-built bikes and definitely have money to spend on custom parts and upgrades who would probably contribute if they felt the forum was providing a valuable service.

I'm guessing a little here, but I think you'd get at least two or three new threads a day, once people knew the forum was up and running. I'm not sure about donations from the DIY folks, a lot of them are living on the edge already; but there are also a lot of lowrider, cruiser and chopper folks who purchase commercially-built bikes and definitely have money to spend on custom parts and upgrades who would probably contribute if they felt the forum was providing a valuable service.

It would be a fun forum to visit. I think the idea has merit. I'm seeing more and more of those bikes around, some very impressive.

Custom 'wacky' bikes are made by people wanting to have some fun with their old bikes. If you are going to criticize them, then you should give up all of the things that you do to your bike that isn't based purely on practicality. For instance, PWRDbyTRD is wearing a pretty hot pair of sunglasses in his avatar. Mirrored surfaces don't do anything for sunglass function, which is handled by tint, optics, and polarized coatings. Mirrored coatings are just for looks. JUST FOR FUN! Thats all well and good, I'm glad he's got sunglasses he likes. So why does he think that having a bike that is just for fun is such a laughable idea? I don't know.

Some people ride track bikes on the street, or ride their fixies brakeless, not necessarily because it is the most practical thing ever, but because they enjoy it more. Other people ride mountain bikes on the street because they like hopping up and down curbs as they ride, not because it gets them there faster, but because they enjoy doing it. People have fun picking colors for their bikes, or choosing stickers, or clothing. Fun!

I like to find old department store bikes in the trash, and turn them into something FUN! I don't see what is wrong with that. I can take 3 unusable Magnas, and turn them into one tall-bike (that I can actually commute on, and do occasionally). It isn't any more practical than a regular bike, and probably a little less, but at least its another bike, its a lot of fun, and it attracts a lot of attention to bicycling.

The fact that these custom kreations aren't made in factories by svelt italians and emblazoned with logos of companies who's name they can't pronounce means they aren't real bicycles. But that would be missing the point of bicycling, using your body to get around, and enjoy it at the same time. And some of us twisted souls enjoy bizarre bikes as much as we enjoy our regular ones.

So anyway, no custom bike hatin', unless you can prove that you've never once made a decision based on appearance or enjoyment factors, in addition to practicality.

peace,
samSo ,who says bicyclists on non cruiser bikes do not have fun? And why if i express my opinion
which differs from yours am I a hater?Do what you want with your bikes but chill,I do not hate cruiser bikes .I simply prefer not to ride one.If there will be a cruiser section or not really depends on forum admin.All my bikes have been changed in some way none of them are unmodified .Any serious cyclist will have something modified or modify something on their bike.Am I a hater no! Are you unreasonably defensive?Yes.

Randy, do you think the forum would be self supporting and self promoting in the alt bike culture? If I can get 2 - 3 new threads a day in a "alt bike culture" (i like that name... may use it for the title of the forum!) forum, I'll open it up.


I would contribute to it....I dont know if it would be daily, but it would definately
be a section I would check every day. If you go into a magazine store there are about
three dedicated magazines to lowrider lifestyle so there is a huge following. The only
problem I could see happening here is most of the people who check this great site out
are very serious and dont think very highly of chopper bikes. I think people who can
decern lifestyle from practicality issues would appreciate it but the serious nature of
most people here might make it one of the less checked out forums. But, I never
would have thought a Rucumbant forum would be able to sustain itself either ! Doh ! :D

What is downside here?

I would likely have little if anything to contribute, but I sure think I would enjoying readiing. If the participants would post a few .jpegs of their prized bikes, it would be that much more fun to follow.

It's lowrider country here in New Mexico.

So ,who says bicyclists on non cruiser bikes do not have fun? And why if i express my opinion
which differs from yours am I a hater?Do what you want with your bikes but chill,I do not hate cruiser bikes .I simply prefer not to ride one.If there will be a cruiser section or not really depends on forum admin.All my bikes have been changed in some way none of them are unmodified .Any serious cyclist will have something modified or modify something on their bike.Am I a hater no! Are you unreasonably defensive?Yes.

Sorry, the snippy part of my post was mostly directed towards the eye roller, the rest was meant to be more light hearted, I suppose I should have used more smileys. ;)

Anyway, I think that fun is integral to bicycles. If someone isn't having fun on their bike, then they have a serious problem. I was just challenging the implication that bikes need a reason beyond fun to validate them. I have fun on my road bike, and also my mountain bike. Commuter bikes are designed to get you where you are going fast and reliably, and be fun. Road bikes cover a lot of distance, and are fun. Touring bikes carry a lot of weight, and are fun. But my double decker tall bike is just fun. It doesn't do anything that well, but it is so much fun, that it justifies itself. A bike don't need no reason beyond fun. :)

Its OK if you choose not to ride a tall bike, but guess which of us will have the best view of the city. ;)

peace,
sam

I'd use that section regularly, post photos, etc. It could also be nice to talk with other people who value things like old one-piece cranks, and who weld their own dropouts. :) The SS forum is close, because there are some serious trash-bike scavengers around there, but not to the extent of many customizers.

Plus, parents could ask, "What is the 'kewlest' chopper bike I could buy for my 12 year old boy's birthday?" ;)

peace,
sam

I don't have a cruiser/chopper/lowrider of any kind, because I'm into riding bikes for (a) transportation and (b) high-speed thrills and (c) I love building and fixing them.

I think it'd be nice to have a forum for these kinds of bikes. I know people do cool things with them and would like to hear about them. And for everyone who says, "Those bikes are stupid, they don't go fast, they tarnish the image of cycling" ... well having a forum would expose those people to other kinds of riders, and that can't possibly be a bad thing :). Oh and you know what? The modern mountain bike was developed based on the Schwinn Stingray, so they've definitely had a very positive influence on the performance-oriented bike world.

So I vote for yes!

It's a go, if i have time, i'll have the new forum up tonight. :)

If you are making this PLEASE convert the mtb racing forum into the beginning mtb forum. The plea for a beginning mtb forum has been ignored for over a year and a half and in the mean time, folding bikes gets a forum, 50 and over gets a forum and now this? I think it would be fair to at least convert the mtb racing forum into the beginners forum when you add this forum.

There are a few changes i'll make tonight, but not what you are asking for in mtn biking just yet...

There are a few changes i'll make tonight, but not what you are asking for in mtn biking just yet...
What? That chopper section will be populated by AOL'ers from the BMX section and we can't even get a beginner's section in MTB?

No sour grapes now, Raiyn. ;)

Seriously though, its not easy managing information on a forum this big, if there is a need, then the changes will be made with time, I'm sure.

peace,
sam

I don't have a cruiser/chopper/lowrider of any kind, because I'm into riding bikes for (a) transportation and (b) high-speed thrills and (c) I love building and fixing them.

I'm with you on all three points! Thing is, I'm not the most powerful cyclist in the world, so if I can't get my thrills with high speed, I need to get them by being high up! 15mph feels pretty damn fast when you are 8 feet in the air. :D Besides, your C is what customs are all about. Building, breaking, fixing. :)

peace,
sam

Thanks, Joe, for the new cruiser/chopper/low rider forum.

Granted, they're not the kind of bikes I would build and ride, but I still think it would be fun and interesting to see and read about these crazy kid's (and adult's) creations.

And besides, they got to do something to keep themselves occupied and out of trouble! :)

Heh, I suspect most of us are adults, just young at heart. :D (not to say we still don't need something to keep us out of trouble). Most of the hardcore bike modifiers here in town are in their 30's and 40's. The guy who I've been working with says he's in a midlife crisis, and it just happens to manifest itself in mutant bikes instead of sports cars and mistresses. ;)

To make some serious trash-bikes you need metalworking tools, and a place to do metalworking, which most kids don't have. Of course, 26" forks on 20" bike choppers are something any kid can do for an early taste of bike mutating. I saw a cute one the other day. ;)

peace,
sam

As originator of the thread and request, I'd like to thank Joe for agreeing that the chopper/cruiser/lowrider market will be recognized here. It was fascinating reading some of the posts, particularly from those who demonstrated disdain for choppers, etc. Perhaps it's envy, I don't know. My son and I spent the last two gloriously sunny and warm weekends riding as much as 6 hours a day (not all at once, of course) on the Stiletto chopper and Firebike and the attention these two eye-catchers merit is nothing short of remarkable. It baffles me that anyone would dismiss a cyclist of any kind who operates their vehicle properly, safely and effectively, whether or not they're out for a casual ride, racing, training or commuting. Who cares? It's one less car on the street, ain't it. See you all at the new forum. :D

Sorry, I havent put the forum up yet, out the door right now, havent had much time... anyone want to come up with a short name for the forum, and a 30 - 40 word intro to the forum to be used on the home page? :)

I like the Alt Bike Culture title.

I'd surely contribute, since that's where my interests are.... buliding Kustoms. Now, if I could only convince the local constable that the machine gun between the handlebars dosen't pose a threat. Oh well!

I'll try to have a submission for you later this evening (22c and sunny outside...and I'm trying to enjoy as much of it as I can) :)

Here is my little suggestion, though if enigmaniac has a good one, I'll defer to him (since its his thread and all).

Alt. Bike Culture - Chopped, dropped, stretched, lifted, and otherwise cut up and put back together. The art and science of choppers, cruisers, lowriders and the vast world of mutant bicycles, either store bought or homemade. (32 words)

peace,
sam

Here is a picture to whet your appetite. The most recent tall-bike.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=27624

Here is my little suggestion, though if enigmaniac has a good one, I'll defer to him (since its his thread and all).

Alt. Bike Culture - Chopped, dropped, stretched, lifted, and otherwise cut up and put back together. The art and science of choppers, cruisers, lowriders and the vast world of mutant bicycles, either store bought or homemade. (32 words)

peace,
sam

Wow! That's excellent! Go with that one, Joe. I couldn't do better. Well done phidauex!

And that is one radical tall bike! I've seen a few. Would love to ride one but I'm afraid of heights! Guess that's why mine are all real low-riders...I don't sit more than 18" off the ground!

Glad you like my suggestion. :)

The tall bikes aren't bad to ride at all! Getting on and off is a bit tricky, but once you are up, its just like a regular bike. We do a lot to tweak the geometry to keep them ridable, like using 24" wheels up front and 26" in the back, extending the trail by moving the fork dropouts forward, and stuff like that. Then build them up with a 3 speed (though a 7 speed would be sweet), comfy saddle, ape hanger bars, and you have a surprisingly ridable tall bike. That tall bike is actually the most comfortable bike I currently own.

My next project is going to be either a triple-tall, a tandem-tall, or a low low chopper. I'm still trying to decide (and seeing what frames come my way).

peace,
sam

Glad you like my suggestion. :)

The tall bikes aren't bad to ride at all! Getting on and off is a bit tricky, but once you are up, its just like a regular bike. We do a lot to tweak the geometry to keep them ridable, like using 24" wheels up front and 26" in the back, extending the trail by moving the fork dropouts forward, and stuff like that. Then build them up with a 3 speed (though a 7 speed would be sweet), comfy saddle, ape hanger bars, and you have a surprisingly ridable tall bike. That tall bike is actually the most comfortable bike I currently own.

My next project is going to be either a triple-tall, a tandem-tall, or a low low chopper. I'm still trying to decide (and seeing what frames come my way).

peace,
sam

I had no idea you built that one. Very cool. I hope you'll add more to the new forum! In fact, it would be nice to be able to post pics on the new forum (hint hint, Joe ;) )

Here is a picture to whet your appetite. The most recent tall-bike.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=27624
That thing is awesome, man, awesome. A couple questions:
How high do you sit off the ground? It looks like about 6 feet to me...
How the HECK did you get a fork with a steerer that long???

The seat is about 5ish feet, and the handlebars about 6ish. That puts your head about 9 feet up while riding! The frame, if measured by regular mountain bike methods, would be a 37". :D

Where do you get a fork with a steerer that long? Well, you take a normal 24" mountain bike fork, cut it off just below the threads, and weld in a big ole extension, which in this case is the top tube off another bike. :D I also welded extended dropouts on the fork to kick the wheel about another inch to the front, for more trail, and a more stable ride. The head tube extension is actually from one of those halogen 'torch' lamps that light on fire when moths fall in them, it was a good fit, so I went with it.

When you've got a MIG welder and a plasma cutter, the world is your nashbar. :D

I'd post some closeups of the dropout work, if we had a forum to do that in... wink wink joe. ;)

peace,
sam

The seat is about 5ish feet, and the handlebars about 6ish. That puts your head about 9 feet up while riding! The frame, if measured by regular mountain bike methods, would be a 37". :D

Where do you get a fork with a steerer that long? Well, you take a normal 24" mountain bike fork, cut it off just below the threads, and weld in a big ole extension, which in this case is the top tube off another bike. :D I also welded extended dropouts on the fork to kick the wheel about another inch to the front, for more trail, and a more stable ride. The head tube extension is actually from one of those halogen 'torch' lamps that light on fire when moths fall in them, it was a good fit, so I went with it.

When you've got a MIG welder and a plasma cutter, the world is your nashbar. :D

I'd post some closeups of the dropout work, if we had a forum to do that in... wink wink joe. ;)

peace,
sam
Wow, you have some serious skill. Getting that steerer aligned must be a B@#($*&, although perhaps having a perfectly aligned headset is not your main goal :P. Have you built any conventional frames? I have been wanting to learn to braze frames, but cost and the fact that I am supposed to be getting my PhD keep getting in the way...

Wow, you have some serious skill. Getting that steerer aligned must be a B@#($*&, although perhaps having a perfectly aligned headset is not your main goal :P. Have you built any conventional frames? I have been wanting to learn to braze frames, but cost and the fact that I am supposed to be getting my PhD keep getting in the way...

Aligning the steerer isn't too bad, with the right technique. I'm not very good, and I'm still learning a lot. MIG welding is so easy its stupid, just point and weld. Plasma cutting is even easier!

To align tubing, like the steerer and the headtubes, we drop the tubes into a big piece of angle iron, and clamp them down. If they have the same outer diameter, then they will have to be perfectly aligned! Then you put a few quick tack welds on to hold the pieces together, then remove the angle iron to lay the whole bead. Then we grind the welds down just enough so that the cups will fit over the welds, and assemble it. If you saw what that steerer looks like with it out of the headtube, you wouldn't be so impressed. ;)

Fortunately, the tube came out straight, and the headset aligns with no problem. I wouldn't race on it, but its good enough for riding. :)

I've never made a conventional frame, but I've been considering building up a frame for a fixie... Maybe lugged and brazed... Brazing isn't too difficult, though honestly it is harder than MIG welding (though looks nicer, and stronger for the lightweight tubing you'd want to use for a 'real' bike, these old trash bikes have such thick tubing you can weld away with no worries).

I'd say jump in, who needs that phd anyway. ;) What are you studying?

peace,
sam