Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - over priced track frames

those IRO track frames,and others alike that all these daelers sell us just cost a misely $125.00,then intern sell it for $300.up!

thats the best part of supply/demand and owning a business. You're purpose is to make a profit.



i wouldnt buy an iro just because i dont like the way they all tend to look the same.... but i cant talk **** about the guy because hes making a profit on a product.

is this a joke?

have you ever partaken in any business in which money changed hands before?

thats the best part of supply/demand and owning a business. You're purpose is to make a profit.



i wouldnt buy an iro just because i dont like the way they all tend to look the same.... but i cant talk **** about the guy because hes making a profit on a product.

As opposed to an pista or langster that comes in a rainbow of colors? all track bikes look the same until you put your personal touch to it. I had no problem buying an IRO considering he's making a lot less than bianchi is making on the pista. If you had a way to give people what they want and still make a profit from it wouldn't you? I fully support Tony because IRO are nice bikes in my opinion and 300 for a decent track frame isn't so bad since italian frames can cost much more. Sure it's probably a higher quality frame, but what's the at cost for the italian framemakers, I wouldn't be surprised that they make a higher profit just because it's italian.

but they will look you in the eye,and tell you they just make $50. on the deal,in reality $200.yeah i no they gootta make profit,its just they understate big time!

but they will look you in the eye,and tell you they just make $50. on the deal,in reality $200.yeah i no they gootta make profit,its just they understate big time!

Why don't you start your own business and only take a $50 cut per bike then? You'd make a killing.

but they will look you in the eye,and tell you they just make $50. on the deal,in reality $200.yeah i no they gootta make profit,its just they understate big time!

If you think the price is to high, fold your money back up and put it in your pocket.

and this surprises you how na975? What about the food you eat? Or the clothes you wear? Or the computer you are using?

do you think that people should just give it away for the same cost?
If you don't like the price, don't buy the goods. Simple enough.

And I am curious as to where anyone has said (and it is documented) the markup they have for profit vs. what they "tell" you.
There are costs built into the consumer price: shipping from the factory, painting, roof over business, web fees, etc. Think about the BIG picture, not just you. Believe it or not, IRO does a damn fine job of advertising, pricing, building, and I doubt he is raking in the cash. And why just IRO? Why not Surly or Bianchi or Independent Fabrication?
Sorry bud - none of these are listed as charity organizations.

']and this surprises you how na975? What about the food you eat? Or the clothes you wear? Or the computer you are using?

do you think that people should just give it away for the same cost?
If you don't like the price, don't buy the goods. Simple enough.

And I am curious as to where anyone has said (and it is documented) the markup they have for profit vs. what they "tell" you.
There are costs built into the consumer price: shipping from the factory, painting, roof over business, web fees, etc. Think about the BIG picture, not just you. Believe it or not, IRO does a damn fine job of advertising, pricing, building, and I doubt he is raking in the cash. And why just IRO? Why not Surly or Bianchi or Independent Fabrication?
Sorry bud - none of these are listed as charity organizations.

Hey, anyone know a good non-profit frame-building organization? :D

Hey, anyone know a good non-profit frame-building organization? :D

Yeah, start building your own frames. No profit there.

Hey, anyone know a good non-profit frame-building organization? :D

cannondale? didnt they go bankrupt? ...no profit ;)

Hey, anyone know a good non-profit frame-building organization? :D


He could always roll his own- buy a kit with lugs and a tubeset. He'll quickly see how NOT far even $250 goes... if he could even build a frame that tracks straight.

Frankly, it the road bike world- $300 buys a decent fork- and nothing else.

I'm just a little annoyed that you picked IRO because I just met Tony yesterday and got my bike from him and I can tell ya he didn't try to make it sound like he's not doing well with the business. The guy just loves fixies and want to get more people on quality affordable fixies. You should check out his warranty, if you kill the frame for whatever reason, he'll trade it in with a new one at half-price, at cost. How can you say someone like that is only trying to make a profit. I'd pick NYCBikes if anything, those guys are the ones you should make an example of.
okay...no more ranting...for now.

whatever!

Zing!

whatever! talk to to the hand.

whatever!

Ouch...good one.

I'm just a little annoyed that you picked IRO because I just met Tony yesterday and got my bike from him and I can tell ya he didn't try to make it sound like he's not doing well with the business. The guy just loves fixies and want to get more people on quality affordable fixies. You should check out his warranty, if you kill the frame for whatever reason, he'll trade it in with a new one at half-price, at cost. How can you say someone like that is only trying to make a profit. I'd pick NYCBikes if anything, those guys are the ones you should make an example of.
okay...no more ranting...for now.

It looks like he got bashed. How much a retailer pays for an item is none of his business. Shame on the retailer for lying to him. I can see the episode. $300 bucks!!!!! Crap its just a black cromo frame n' fork. Your ripping me off. At this point I'd say, sorry you feel that way, go somewhere else and find it cheaper. Have a nice day. In 30 years of retail almost all of it in bikes in some way or another, I can only remember twice where a person had the auduacity to ask me what my profit was. None in the last 6 years that I have owned a LBS. I'm an IRO dealer and you can buy a frameset from me for the same price you can get it direct from IRO. I eat the shipping.

What the original poster knows about retail and business in general you could put in a fleas navel and still have room for a sesame seed and a red pubic hair.

Good job Wangster.

Yea, The IRO Mark "V"'s are black, but you can get custom color powdercoat from IRO. It might be possible to get a frame/fork in raw form and get it painted to your desires. Having a selection of colors would boost the price. Remember what Henry Ford said..."You can have any color as long as it's black"

your just a crook thats all!

your just a crook thats all!
you're just a horrible speller; that's all.

i'm not getting graded on my spelling-heh heh

i'm not getting graded on my spelling-heh heh
yes you are. i give you an F-.

why dont you go back to bugging your mom..i think dinners ready

your original post just makes me laugh.. golly-gee, beav! is that how capitalism works? gosh darn..

okay...now we sound like kindergardeners...so ewwww....cooties...

i give you a bigger F

F/S IRO frame, 50cm

huh?

You are a very tiny man.

hey i ride a 50cm IRO too... So i'm a bit on the short side... I'm average asian height... my justfication for height deficiency

I'm curious, how do you know that the frames cost $125?
Even if you are correct about that, do you really think the $175 left over is pure profit?

Let's see, he probably has some rent to pay for his business. Does he have any employees? Gotta pay them. He has a website, gotta pay for that. Does forget about federal and state income tax. That $175 is looking smaller all the time.

You can always buy an old steel frame with horizontal dropouts.

This has gotta be the dumbest thread ever. If your goal is to get stuff wholesale, get a job at your LBS and repair Specialized Hardrocks for minimum wage. Then come back and whine about how you're getting ripped off.

true true....talk about bad buyers remorse.

is this thread serious?
If there's a problem with the IRO business model it's that it relies on cheap asian production instead of keeping jobs in country. I'd hesitate to buy one of his frames for this reason, but it's not really a big problem because everyone has the opportunity to pay way more for a bike made here in the states.
What do lugs and a tubeset cost? 2-300 bucks? hey, wait a minute, sacha white is ripping us all off (by making what is probably a crappy hourly wage)...
shoot, a good paint job costs more than an IRO frame. No one's getting shafted, except the good citizens of this board!

i don't own one (IRO) but u can ask that guy who makes them if he wholesales them for $125.,I have one of his invoices that somehow found its way in my order.

F/S IRO frame, 50cm

$125, right?

i do have the invoice

Hey Li'l Dude? You don't own one and you have the tenacity to drop in here and complain about what IRO charges? What a clown...! :p

BTW - tonight's a school nite...be home before dark, jr...

i don't own one (IRO) but u can ask that guy who makes them if he wholesales them for $125.,I have one of his invoices that somehow found its way in my order.

So what's your point, exactly? Bikes should be free?

Might as well go to Walmart and shop, because you are keeping foreign workers in a job, not Americans.DW


I wouldn't go so far as comparing a small seller like IRO or any other small business like that to Walmart. I wouldn't buy from Walmart even if they only sold american made goods because they'd just be exploiting american workers instead of foreign one. The whole outsourcing argument is a long and drawn out one that i'd rather not get into, but I think It depends on what niche you are aiming for. You build very nice, handmade frames, but even you cannot expand your business significantly with this method unless you have someone else to build for you, but its hard, but not entirely impossible, to be competitive and make enough of a profit when you only have american manufacturing. I'm not saying outsourcing is okay, I'm just pointing out the business end when you are trying to keep up with demand.

i do have the invoice

You're my hero! No, really, you've exposed the dark underside of the fixed gear world. People profiting from it, while supposedly providing a service.

i don't own one (IRO) but u can ask that guy who makes them if he wholesales them for $125.,I have one of his invoices that somehow found its way in my order.

WTF!!!

Wtf????? Huh? hey i'm the guy in central park riding the red bike,so next time you see me come over and say Hi

When Tony was clearing out the old models (with 26.0 post sizes) he charged $125 for them. Like mentioned in previous posts, there's operating expenses to cover included in the retail price. You wouldn't expect someone with as good Customer Service as Tony has to take a loss on every frame would you?

WHAT THE F*&#!!! dude...you need to go get tucked into bed now...so run along and call for mommy and leave the grownups alone...

aaaaah, lock the thread, lock the thread!!

na975 - if you are trying to sell the frame, do it in the right forum.

thread locked.