BMX - S&M vs. T1 (which is better for dirt and park)

which one of these frames do you think are the best????....has anyone had any trouble or ridden these bikes....i am considering buying one...but dont know which is best....i ride dirt and park if that helps...



S&M Black Bike

S&M Stricker

T1 Barcode

T1 Reuben

I've always been a fan of S&M frames, so this is going to have a bit of bias.

S&M Black Bike - Great frame, aside from the seatstay brakes (you get a worse brake line than with chainstay brakes). It has a good, short rear end, and has good strength. Have I ridden one? Yes. Have I owned one? No.

S&M Stricker - This is my current weapon of choice, and has been for the past year. I love it. The only thing that I don't like is that the rear end is a bit too long for my liking, but that can be fixed with an angle grinder is you care that much. I beat the hell out of the frame, and I haven't had a single problem with it.

T1 Barcode - Great frame, great geometry, great strength. If you get one, make sure that it has chainstay brake mounts, because the brake line for the seatstay ones on the Euro BB model is awful - even Joe and Taj admit this.

T1 Ruben - Spanish BB's are awful; I will state this flat out. FBM/Fit/S&M's Mid BB - which uses normal Profile bearings - may turn out alright, but the Mid is just plain bad. I know two people who have bought frame's with Spanish bottom brackets, and both have "sh1t the bed", so to speak. The bearings are too small to offer any improvement over that of a Euro, they don't save that much weight, the bearings are a non-standard size so they cost more if you have to replace them, and they're more prone to breaking because they're not as thick as the bearing used in an American (or the two bearings used in Euros). The frame design, however, looks fine to me; it's nothing more than a Barcode with a different seatstay-toptobe junction.

first choice stricker

ive always liked t1's. but dont listen to me.

Get what you want. They are all plenty allright frames. Get what you feel will work for you.. I was torn between the TI barcode and the FBM Night Train.. I went with the Night Train.. I had to decide, so I did. I've been happy.

i like s&m black bike. probably cuza all the hype their money could buy.

thanx for your help especially "beerman" cause im gona go with the S&M Stricker....its nice.....im gettin 21"
-taylor

21" T1 barcode = all you will ever need

ya i like the barcode...... its down to the S&M Stricker or the T1 BARCODE...
in 21"

i got my first s&m in 1995 and have never looked back. best bikes out there. they used to be better if ya broke one (i had a really old holmes with a re-welded head tube that they took back, way back when everything was still 1 inch head sets.) but they still are the $hit.

barcode every pro who isnt on a team rides a barcode that has to say some-thing for T1

barcode every pro who isnt on a team rides a barcode that has to say some-thing for T1


can you please list those riders?

The barcode is really a sweet bike. The one I rode once was pretty tiny but it was a solid bike.

ya i thought it came in a 21" model so how is it short...???

does anywon know how low of a gear ratio you can run with either of those frames...
S&M Stricker ????? (ive seen a 30-11, is that the lowest)
T1 Barcode?????

On the newer Barcodes, you can go 25-9 on the one with seatstay mounts (American BB) and 28-10 with Fly brakes on the model with chainstay mounts (Euro), or 30-11 with Evolvers.

On the Stricker, I was at 30-11 with the Evolvers and now the Flys, and am going down to 28-10 in a few weeks. If it doesn't fit quite right, well, that's what a metal file is for.

can you please list those riders?



you might want to google it

No, no. He needs to try KaZaA.

No, no. He needs to try KaZaA.


or he could just push with his arm

On the newer Barcodes, you can go 25-9 on the one with seatstay mounts (American BB) and 28-10 with Fly brakes on the model with chainstay mounts (Euro), or 30-11 with Evolvers.

On the Stricker, I was at 30-11 with the Evolvers and now the Flys, and am going down to 28-10 in a few weeks. If it doesn't fit quite right, well, that's what a metal file is for.


i have the new PRIMO brakes....will they clear a 30-11 on either frame???? thats what i want to run

I think that the new Primo E-Brakes have about the same stack height as Evolvers, so they should work.

you might want to google it


you are an idiot. try to come up with a better joke next time.

[/B]s&m stricter

T1 frames are like $300 nice frame though

so is just about every other frame

you are an idiot. try to come up with a better joke next time.

Watch out. BMXBoard is coming.

you are an idiot. try to come up with a better joke next time.


Eh shut it **** *gives you the brass!*

Eh shut it **** *gives you the brass!*



i truly wish i could see you in person .i would stab you

T1 frames are like $300 nice frame though

ummmmm all frames that are good are around $300....

i truly wish i could see you in person .i would stab you


so what are you trying to say in the middle of all the confusion of me giving you the brass you would some how stab me? IMPOSSIBLE!

i would love to stab you

i would love to stab you

I would stab both of you and take your x-boxes

i would love to stab you


ill come visit you in NY soon ;)

ill come visit you in NY soon ;)


bet

bet

im not going to waste my time on some 14 year old kid who would probably run at me with a table knife.

ohhh, rockin the butter knife. now thats gangsta

ohhh, rockin the butter knife. now thats gangsta

so is breaking 14mm axles and having marshmellow chickens in your shoe apprently.

im not going to waste my time on some 14 year old kid who would probably run at me with a table knife.



**** it. i'll stab you with anything . my friend got stabbed in the neck with a pen last year, he almost died

i got stabed w/ a chopstick!it almost broke the skin.lol

**** it. i'll stab you with anything . my friend got stabbed in the neck with a pen last year, he almost died

we got good ole captain stabbon over here.

**** it. i'll stab you with anything . my friend got stabbed in the neck with a pen last year, he almost died

I'll give you a dollar to stab someone with a bowling ball.

I'll give you a dollar to stab someone with a bowling ball.


what happend to my forum about S&M vs. T1 ......... i didnt want to get anyone stabbed...........bowling ball WHAT THE ****!!!

**** it. i'll stab you with anything . my friend got stabbed in the neck with a pen last year, he almost died


maybe you could stab me with one of your broken 14mm axles from your totaly hardcore gnar street riding?

I would stab both of you and take your x-boxes
i like your attitude...

i like your attitude...


i agree

ben riding a t1 joe rich for a year now no complains and its still straight.

my opinion is that T1's rule all. they are the best frames i have ever ridden. i wouldnt change it.

[QUOTE=bmxrdr88]my opinion is that T1's rule all. [/QUOTe=bmxrdr88]
um, T1 only makes 3 different frames.... Joe Rich, Reuben and the Barcode..(wich are all pretty close in geomtry cause there all evolutions of the Barcode but with Pros input... and stickers.)

I'll give you a dollar to stab someone with a bowling ball.

LOLCANO!@!!!

See, half of this thread is precisely what I'm referring to in this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=106990).