Rides and Races - Toronto Fixed

yeah, i'd say so! la bicicletta sells those new for 1/3 that price...
I got bored and called them up. $750 for a new Rossin track frameset. Forgot the colors, something like Black/yellow & dark blue/yellow. and they couldn't tell me what tubing it was. oh well.

christ on a pogo stick... this thing ain't half bad either.... http://www.labicicletta.com/edatcat/cad/tlsstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=US-ROSSIN11

although... black and yellow you say? That'd go REAL nice with my wheel...

I've still got the (H) badge from the hood of the Civic we were in at the time... it's my lucky charm in a way, because we all should have been fried pulp. Hold on to that thing!

sr20det: glad to hear you're ok. i thought you were hurt on your bike at first! that's pretty fcked that the woman tried to drive away while air-bagged. nail her on that. feeling any worse this morning?

holy crap.. what the hell's with this honda badge thing. years ago, i was riding my d-back mtb when a driver decides to suddenly brake to make a last second turn. i slam on my brakes and in turn, slam into the back of his hatch back. the car? a honda accord wagon. the guy doesn't even bother to get out and see what happened and just drives away, leaving his dislodged honda badge on the ground. i still have it.

yeah, keith makes great wheels. but don't let him store any for you.

i just thought of another option for you: if you're in the junction neighbourhood, keep riding along annette street towards high park ave. there is a guy on the south side there that has the outside of his house lined (and i mean piled deep) with used frames, parts, etc. he's usually out there on spring summer evenings trading with the neighbourhood kids; i've cruised by and seen some half decent frames there. can't hurt to have a look, if for nothing more than the joy of scrounging.

just to add to that - there is a guy in the east end too (jones and dundas area) who does the exact same thing. He doesn't speak english but has a ton of bike stuff and is always sitting out in front of his house with a couple of wrenches in his hands and a bike pump most days durring the summer. I love scrounging... possibly more than I love looking at new stuff.

we should do a bike shop tour some weekend... then end up a sneaky dees and eat dirty wings for cheap. (btw this weekend is out for me...24hour toronto film challenge)

Damn sr20det glad to hear you're ok. Definately keep the badge as a talisman of power.

Cramerotti update:
After an hour of banging with various sized shims and screw drivers I've almost cut through the shortest edge of the now identified alum seatpost leftovers. Buddy from a few doors down pulls up and offers his reciprical (sp?) saw. Could be scary...me and power tools. I keep looking at the internal wiring holes and think hmmmm braided steel cable housing.

Ventolin: how tall are you that the 50 was too small?
DAMN eyefloater showed me the Lemond cross in steel, I like it.

Damn sr20det glad to hear you're ok. Definately keep the badge as a talisman of power.

Cramerotti update:
After an hour of banging with various sized shims and screw drivers I've almost cut through the shortest edge of the now identified alum seatpost leftovers. Buddy from a few doors down pulls up and offers his reciprical (sp?) saw. Could be scary...me and power tools. I keep looking at the internal wiring holes and think hmmmm braided steel cable housing.

Ventolin: how tall are you that the 50 was too small?
DAMN eyefloater showed me the Lemond cross in steel, I like it.


I'm about 5'8" - 5'9" depending on the day. When I first got the frame I was (and still am) in love with it, but had to mess around for ages to get a good setup - initially I couldn't get the stock laprade up high enough without contravening the min insertion mark, and had to replace the post with that easton one that's on there. Then I felt pretty imbalanced, and ended up sending the seat way out back, and sticking a longer stem and those profile horns on it. Worked out ok for a while, but after building up my concorde, and figuring out what a bike that fits feels like... There's something nice about having bars at the right height... being able to get to the drops without kneeing myself in the chest is a feeling I've come to relish ;)

The biggie is actually my wrists, though - I've got some recurring carpal tunnel and tendonitis from computing too much, and I can't get balanced enough on the Ciocc to get the weight off of my hands... starts feeling ok around 30km/h, but under that I find myself holding myself up a lot on the Ciocc.

My concorde is 53s/t, 54t/t, and I'm figuring that my ideal geometry is probably something like 54/54, and I could probably ride 55/55 pretty comfortably too with the right stem length.

I got bored and called them up. $750 for a new Rossin track frameset. Forgot the colors, something like Black/yellow & dark blue/yellow. and they couldn't tell me what tubing it was. oh well.

i was thinking of their road frames.

http://www.labicicletta.com/edatcat/cad/tlsstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=US-ROSSIN8

i guess i was thinking price wise of what LB was selling them for at the bike show a few years ago.

i know of the track frames you speak of. they are very nice. the black/yellow is steel and the blue/yellow is aluminum w/ aero downtube.

Sr20det,

Ouch man. I'm really glad to hear you're "okay" though. Feel better quick.

we should do a bike shop tour some weekend... then end up a sneaky dees and eat dirty wings for cheap. (btw this weekend is out for me...24hour toronto film challenge)

Good call.

i was thinking of their road frames.

http://www.labicicletta.com/edatcat/cad/tlsstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=US-ROSSIN8

i guess i was thinking price wise of what LB was selling them for at the bike show a few years ago.

i know of the track frames you speak of. they are very nice. the black/yellow is steel and the blue/yellow is aluminum w/ aero downtube.
I rode one of the alu ones for a couple of years. It is a really nice street bike. The steel one is more sprint...short wheelbase.....super steep. The alu one is more pursuit....longer wheelbase...slightly shallower angles. The fork that they come with is still the best track fork I have ever ridden.

I rode one of the alu ones for a couple of years. It is a really nice street bike. The steel one is more sprint...short wheelbase.....super steep. The alu one is more pursuit....longer wheelbase...slightly shallower angles. The fork that they come with is still the best track fork I have ever ridden.

i take it it's not drilled for a brake? i've seen the steel one on a club ride one time, steep indeed it was.

So what happened to all of those 'let's go for a ride on Friday'? I mention green beer and everybody freaks. You ain't from south Boston because there they know how to make green beer. I would think that the big trucks are rolling into southy right now to stock up the parlors for the binge tomorrow. And in Chicago the river is already flowing green.

Of course I drink Guiness and Single Malt and anything else that has a reasonble kick to keep me pedalling smoothly.

I'll be at the Cavern at 1:00pm on Friday if anyone else wishes to hit the streets for our own pre-alley kitten ride. I'll be riding fixed of course.

So what happened to all of those 'let's go for a ride on Friday'? I mention green beer and everybody freaks. You ain't from south Boston because there they know how to make green beer. I would think that the big trucks are rolling into southy right now to stock up the parlors for the binge tomorrow. And in Chicago the river is already flowing green.

Of course I drink Guiness and Single Malt and anything else that has a reasonble kick to keep me pedalling smoothly.

I'll be at the Cavern at 1:00pm on Friday if anyone else wishes to hit the streets for our own pre-alley kitten ride. I'll be riding fixed of course.


Word - I resigned from my job two weeks ago, and I'm on my last days here, so I might just bail early and head for the cavern around 1 meself...

I rode one of the alu ones for a couple of years. It is a really nice street bike. The steel one is more sprint...short wheelbase.....super steep. The alu one is more pursuit....longer wheelbase...slightly shallower angles. The fork that they come with is still the best track fork I have ever ridden.


I still have this irrational fear of aluminum... like I'm going to bonk it the wrong way and fold it like a tincan, and then whoops... no more bike for me! Would you say that their steel track frame is too steep for street?

On another (non fixed! sorry!) note, Cavernmech, you wouldn't happen to have a set of 32h shimano 7-spd hubs, would you? I'm building up a geared bike for a friend of mine this weekend...

I rode one of the alu ones for a couple of years. It is a really nice street bike. The steel one is more sprint...short wheelbase.....super steep. The alu one is more pursuit....longer wheelbase...slightly shallower angles. The fork that they come with is still the best track fork I have ever ridden.


Heh... weird.... http://toronto.craigslist.org/bik/131779233.html


....and THIS: http://www.bikecult.com/works/collections/rossin68.html

Galdarned thing's got a freakin' dinnerplate for a chainring!!!

theres a rossin for ya from under-the-weather.
http://www.under-the-weather.ca/images/Group.jpg

Heh... weird.... http://toronto.craigslist.org/bik/131779233.html


haha, awesome.... I don't know anything about philosphy.... that's my philosphy.

btw on 04-02-06 it will be the official 1 year anniversary of this thread, should we have like a celebritory ride in it's honnor?
(I've only met like 3 of you guys in person.... you'd think after a year......)

I still have this irrational fear of aluminum... like I'm going to bonk it the wrong way and fold it like a tincan, and then whoops... no more bike for me! Would you say that their steel track frame is too steep for street?

On another (non fixed! sorry!) note, Cavernmech, you wouldn't happen to have a set of 32h shimano 7-spd hubs, would you? I'm building up a geared bike for a friend of mine this weekend...
You will prolly need to run 8-9 sp hubs. Unless you find something used or NOS everything is going to be 8-9. I sold my last set of Tiagra's this morning. I will look around for something used if ya want? Road or mtn?

I still have this irrational fear of aluminum... like I'm going to bonk it the wrong way and fold it like a tincan, and then whoops... no more bike for me! Would you say that their steel track frame is too steep for street?

On another (non fixed! sorry!) note, Cavernmech, you wouldn't happen to have a set of 32h shimano 7-spd hubs, would you? I'm building up a geared bike for a friend of mine this weekend...
Oh...and the Rossin steel is REALLY steep. I rode them both before I decided on the alu one. The 2 inches of toe overlap did not appeal to me. Mind you some folks don't mind that. I like to be able to skid and steer at the same time.

Heh... weird.... http://toronto.craigslist.org/bik/131779233.html


....and THIS: http://www.bikecult.com/works/collections/rossin68.html

Galdarned thing's got a freakin' dinnerplate for a chainring!!!
Yeah...that fork is not the one I mentioned. That one is curved...the sweet ones are straight blade. And it is weird that the Rossin in that link says Sugino cranks but they are obviously Suntour Superbes. I wonder if I get a prize for noticing.

haha, awesome.... I don't know anything about philosphy.... that's my philosphy.

btw on 04-02-06 it will be the official 1 year anniversary of this thread, should we have like a celebritory ride in it's honnor?
(I've only met like 3 of you guys in person.... you'd think after a year......)

and it's on a Sunday.. *Definitely* a ride.

You will prolly need to run 8-9 sp hubs. Unless you find something used or NOS everything is going to be 8-9. I sold my last set of Tiagra's this morning. I will look around for something used if ya want? Road or mtn?


Dang... that's kinda what I figured. Road, definitely. The limiting factor here is that the frame is 126mm (more like 125 now that it's been powdercoated), and I'm not much in the mood to cold set it - seems like too much of a hassle. Tried it once on an old Miele using a piece of threaded bar and some nuts (screwing the nuts outward to spread the stays, and the level of paranoia was just too high, not to mention that I couldn't seem to get it to take a set.

Is it possible to space an 8spd hub down to 126mm? And mount a 7spd cassette on it?

Y'know... I'll just call you about it...

Dang... that's kinda what I figured. Road, definitely. The limiting factor here is that the frame is 126mm (more like 125 now that it's been powdercoated), and I'm not much in the mood to cold set it - seems like too much of a hassle. Tried it once on an old Miele using a piece of threaded bar and some nuts (screwing the nuts outward to spread the stays, and the level of paranoia was just too high, not to mention that I couldn't seem to get it to take a set.

Is it possible to space an 8spd hub down to 126mm? And mount a 7spd cassette on it?

Y'know... I'll just call you about it...
You can use a 7 sp cassette on an 8 sp hub with a spacer...works just fine. If the frame is steel just spread it apart to fit the hub in. It is a bit of a pain when you get a flat but it won't hurt the bike.

[QUOTE=ventolin]Is it possible to space an 8spd hub down to 126mm? And mount a 7spd cassette on it?QUOTE]

i know this is a fixed and SS forum, but anyway, my $0.02: i've run an 8-speed, 130 spaced 105 road hub on my road frame which is spaced 126 with no problems. the stays will spread open enough for you to get the hub in there. if you're frame is aluminum then that's a different story, but i don't know of many aluminum frames spaced 126. it's only 4mm. plus, good luck getting 7 speed shifers, unless you already have them and then ignore my advice.

You can use a 7 sp cassette on an 8 sp hub with a spacer...works just fine. If the frame is steel just spread it apart to fit the hub in. It is a bit of a pain when you get a flat but it won't hurt the bike.


Thanks Cavernmech and monsieur Whitehorn for the sage advice to just jam it in there :) I think I'll do just that... I like hassle-free solutions... they're beer-compatible :) YAY!

Yahhhhhh that Rossin frame looks good. No track ends :/

If you guys are going to meet on Friday i'll ride down (non-fixed don't hurt me). What's happening!?!?

http://www.under-the-weather.ca/images/Group.jpg

We should get us a picture like that, except substitute the people with us.
Sssss-sonambulant?

Thanks Cavernmech and monsieur Whitehorn for the sage advice to just jam it in there :) I think I'll do just that... I like hassle-free solutions... they're beer-compatible :) YAY!

i won't take credit for it becuse i'm not the bike mechanic. my advice is always to just jam it in there. when something's broken give it the Fonsie fix. Smack! Ehhhh!

Don't ask me man, I'm out of control.

i won't take credit for it becuse i'm not the bike mechanic. my advice is always to just jam it in there. when something's broken give it the Fonsie fix. Smack! Ehhhh!
My sage advice. If you can't fix it with a hammer and vice grips...it don't need fixin'.

Agreed - I got the impression that dealing with him is subject to his moodiness on a given day. Problem is, I'd like to get a frame of equivalent quality and italian-ness ;) There's something about an Italian bike built in SLX that makes it difficult to replace with anything other than an equally pretty Italian bike in SLX, and I imagine that Mr. Grumpy's got loads of 'em. I also have no idea how to price this thing - I've seen'em go built up with campy record stuff for up to $1200 on ebay, but I wouldn't begin to know how to price it as a frame and fork - another factor that inclines me to try to work a straight trade for something equivalent that fits. Wishful thinging maybe :(

Yeah, the Benotto he has hanging on the wall is nice and has never been built up and he quoted me 700$ for it.....I really wish it weren't my size ;) That peach-coloured Colnago pursuit frame really caught my eye, I didn't ask about the price though as I am sure it was out of my league. I've been spoiled by my commuter/beater bike being a Ciocc with SLX tubing....everything else just seems like crap once you've been riding a nice Italian steel steed for a few years. Maybe I can take in my old Gardin frame and Miyata frame and he will put them into the price of that Benotto. Does anyone have any idea of what John has got lurking in the back of his shop?

I've been spoiled by my commuter/beater bike being a Ciocc with SLX tubing....everything else just seems like crap once you've been riding a nice Italian steel steed for a few years.


...and how....


I feel your pain. Ain't it great? Got any pics of your Ciocc? I'd love to see it!

name a (possibly Italian) framemaker with a steel track frame.. 4 letters.. starts with R. Trying to remember it.. :P

Yahhhhhh that Rossin frame looks good. No track ends :/

If you guys are going to meet on Friday i'll ride down (non-fixed don't hurt me). What's happening!?!?

http://www.under-the-weather.ca/images/Group.jpg

We should get us a picture like that, except substitute the people with us.
Sssss-sonambulant?

now that i have the pants to match (my lone purchase at the bike show), i'd do that photo.

the fact that the rossin frame has dropouts and not track ends is just what i like about it.

hahaha.. well, how about at the 1 year anniversary ride? everyone remember to put on their makeup before the ride. :D

Who was it that called the view down Front St the "stereotypical toronto view" last Saturday? Pretty close to the u-t-w photo!

Who was it that called the view down Front St the "stereotypical toronto view" last Saturday? Pretty close to the u-t-w photo!
That was me. I want a picture like that!


name a (possibly Italian) framemaker with a steel track frame.. 4 letters.. starts with R. Trying to remember it.. :P

Bianchi it is.

ss

I can't remember who said they were looking for a small 48-50 cm frame. One of the guys on my team has a Red Rossin Road.....horizontal drops....48cm..he wants to sell. I will have it in the shop on Monday.Any interested parties P.M. me.

A one-year ride sounds like a lot of fun. Sunday actually works with my schedule so I'll be able to make it out. Just stay ahead of me at all times - otherwise you might get hit with some sneeze spray and catch this plague I've been attacked by.

Side note #1: Cycle Therapy's got a job opening for an experienced salesperson. We're looking for someone who's worked in a cycling environment before and has retail experience. Full-time is preferred but part-time is also cool. If any of you guys/32flavours are interested, come by and introduce yourself. If you know anyone who might fit the bill, pass the word along please.

Side Note #2: Anyone have any experience with fundraising? As you can see in my sig (Somnabulent's too) we're taking part in the bike rally to Montreal for Aids research. Aside from straight up talking to people and asking for money, we were thinking about events or "whatever" (no, not BJs) that we could do to raise some cash. You fellers are a bunch of smart potatoes so I'm hoping you've done something like this before and have GADS of ideas to put forth to help us out w/ our mission. The other night Somnabulent was scribbling away on his notes for a meeting we were at and I saw him write down "alleycat" as a joke, but then he wrote down "Goldsprints" too ... which actually seems like an idea that could work well. Any thoughts on what it takes to get a Goldsprints tourney up and running? Pre-thanks for any ideas.

Aaand ... work time for me.

- Mike

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chest hurts....can't stop...laughing
I love the bit in the news where he can't pass his GEC...**** this is hilarious.

I'm gonna throw away all my music and follow these guyz on tour....lol
*BLAM...shoots himself in the foot*

It's like a gift that keeps on giving..... :roflmao:
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I'm a little worried about a big nasty reciprical saw having a go at my frame/seat post situation BUT it would make short work of the aluminum post jammed it there but I'm soooo worried about messin the inside of the frame.

A one-year ride sounds like a lot of fun. Sunday actually works with my schedule so I'll be able to make it out.

april 2nd right?...not this sunday...two weeks away

april 2nd last year was when the thread was started

april 2nd right?...not this sunday...two weeks away

april 2nd last year was when the thread was started

word

To your mother, sounds good. Daylight saving time day to boot.
Cheers

I'm a little worried about a big nasty reciprical saw having a go at my frame/seat post situation BUT it would make short work of the aluminum post jammed it there but I'm soooo worried about messin the inside of the frame.

what about getting a metal file in there? it wouldn't take long to get through an alloy post if you had a sharp, new file. provided it is long enough. just watch how far you file...

is anyone still doing beer this afternoon? time? i'm on working stiff / bankers hours, so i'll be here till 5.

is anyone still doing beer this afternoon? time? i'm on working stiff / bankers hours, so i'll be here till 5.

I had to bail.. I forgot that I already made plans a couple weeks ago with a friend. Sorry to let you all down. :)

I'm a little worried about a big nasty reciprical saw having a go at my frame/seat post situation BUT it would make short work of the aluminum post jammed it there but I'm soooo worried about messin the inside of the frame.
I have removed tons o posts. The prob I see with the foto you posted is there is very little post remaining above the top of the seat tube. This will be a hindrance as you need to be able to grab on to it once it is cut. As far as the recip saw...it will be o.k. to start your cuts. In my experience it will take a minimum of 2 cuts...perhaps as many as 4. If I were you I would start my cuts with the power saw and finish them up with a hand saw, I use a keyhole saw handle with a Sawzall Emergency rescue blade. This will save you many hours of sawing. If the post is alu and the frame is steel there is a noticable difference in the feel when you are cutting between the alu and the frame itself. Take yer time and DON'T put any WD..liquid wrench...penetrating oil down the tube until you are sure yer cuts are almost finished. It only makes a mess of the inside of the seat tube and is a pain in the a$$ to get the shavings out. Good luck.

what about getting a metal file in there? it wouldn't take long to get through an alloy post if you had a sharp, new file. provided it is long enough. just watch how far you file...
Man.. a saw takes hours of cutting. I have some hardened aircraft reamers and they take a long time to bore thru posts. A file works well if you are doing hard time in the pen. Otherwise stick to the saw method.

Man.. a saw takes hours of cutting. I have some hardened aircraft reamers and they take a long time to bore thru posts. A file works well if you are doing hard time in the pen. Otherwise stick to the saw method.

I guess i only recommend a file becuase that's what i have sitting in my tool box, in addition to my many prison friendly tools, like shiv made from a sharpened toothbrush handle. c block represent!

I guess i only recommend a file becuase that's what i have sitting in my tool box, in addition to my many prison friendly tools, like shiv made from a sharpened toothbrush handle. c block represent!

haahahaha SHIV.. and from good ol' wikipedia:

A related term is shank. While the words are used interchangeably, the difference is that a shank is a type of shiv that is fashioned from the metal shank of a prison-issued boot or shoe. Since inmates were able to fashion effective shivs out of metal shanks, most (if not all) prisons no longer issue footwear with metal shanks. Shank is sometimes also used as a verb, meaning "To stab someone, usually with a shiv, multiple times in a quick succession." Many people have been killed by attackers using shanks while serving time in prison.

I still think the paper made crossbow type weapon they make on mythbusters is pretty amazing. And if you go to San Quentin definately go to the musuem and see the gun one inmate created. Pretty amazing stuff.

I remeber in Gibson's bridge trilogy all the bike couriers had switched paper-cored bikes. I always wanted to see how that would work, it certainly sounded good. So did the locks that unlocked using your wrist as ID.