Rides and Races - Toronto Fixed

Guys - re: the sprints

1) Geared bikes allowed?
2) What's the distance on the sprint? 100m? 200m? Straight?

Yeah, we had a couple guys on geared bikes last week. I think the full distance is probably about 200m along the straight in front of the main Exhibition building. You don't *have* to start sprinting from the line though, but I think everyone did save for one race. Keith and I were the only people that did a slowish rolling start, trying to see who would jump first. That was more fun to me, especially at 48x18 with people like Mitch there with like 78x8. :P Otherwise I'd just be spinning at 120rpm watching the other person moving away from me. :P

mmmm Gelato! We aren't bringing anything really track/fixie specific other then a set of ellipse wheels and possibly a paddy-wagon or two to the show. As for clothing, I know Giordana makes our team clothing in lengths.

Yeah, we had a couple guys on geared bikes last week. I think the full distance is probably about 200m along the straight in front of the main Exhibition building. You don't *have* to start sprinting from the line though, but I think everyone did save for one race. Keith and I were the only people that did a slowish rolling start, trying to see who would jump first. That was more fun to me, especially at 48x18 with people like Mitch there with like 78x8. :P Otherwise I'd just be spinning at 120rpm watching the other person moving away from me. :P

Lol. So we do standing starts right? Awesome

standing or rolling, up to you and who your racing, I did both. I prefer rolling :P

Lol. So we do standing starts right? Awesome

Nope, rolling starts generally. I think there were one or two standing starts.

I think people maybe don't get the idea of a matched sprint. Toby was telling me about his time in the sprints. I was telling him "in matched sprints times don't count that's not the point at all, they aren't timed". That's what the flying 200/kilo etc. is for. Keith was suggesting riders doing a flying 200 time, which would be cool if people want to know what their all out sprint time is. A matched sprint is as much about strategy, psyching the other rider out and trying to read when the sprint will start. I think that is way more fun than just hammering off the line. I mean it is all good, but maybe people should get an explanation of what the idea of a matched sprint is just so they know. I mean if people understood the idea of a matched sprint they might want to do it. Just a thought.

word. That was the idea of the flying 200 I think, just to get people's rough times so that we could better pair people up for the sprints. Plus then we (and by 'we' I mean 'Will') don't have to be dinking around with stop watches all night. :)

I just remembered a funny story from Home Ec class in Elementary school. blah blah blah blah BOOBS!

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I hear that! It's also a big reason why I like a lot of cycling clothes off the bike as well... they're usually cut slimmer/longer which means they actually fit me properly. :P

ah really. i only have one, and i figured it fit so well because it's pearl izumi. i'm not much of a label *****, but i've been so happy with the few PI things i have. otherwise, i find 3/4 sleeve shirts are often a good compromise.

and you've never truely had gelato until you've walked across the ponte vecchio in florence while slowly savouring some chocolate mousse gelato in the summer sun... but i'm just sayin'...

... dink...

haha 'dink'


... BOOBS...

haha 'boobs'

Passes reserved for nerdsgirth, canice, operator, jeremywhitehorn, danhalen, mattrennick, and flimflam. First come, first served. I will be in the shop all this week.

Gracias!

so once we are split into classes, do we further group ourselves into gearings?

Re: Long arms. I too skin my knuckles on the pavement when walking and can't find a proper fit. I wonder if people with long limbs tend to enjoy cycling more and therefore stick with it?

I bought one of the Trackstar hoodies because of the slim fit, long arms, and back pockets. I got a L. Arms not long enough, returned for an XL arms barely long enough. And this coming from a hoodie that boasts long arms. sheesh.

hey wanted to say thanks for the ride last friday had a great time.

It was absolutely our pleasure! I posted up a few pics from the ride here (http://makergo.com/shutup/?p=146) - I'm glad you had a good time.

Sorry I had to leave the way I did. 3 words, fellas; Dames Is Greif!

Ahhhhhhh well - I have another hot date tonight, let's hope this gal doesn't turn out to be... nevermind. ;)

Time on gelato is up for grabs. Meet-up point is also up for grabs. Any suggestions?

Anytime in the evening is good for me, and the meet-up should be fairly central to accommodate both East and West-siders.

I think people maybe don't get the idea of a matched sprint. Toby was telling me about his time in the sprints. I was telling him "in matched sprints times don't count that's not the point at all, they aren't timed". That's what the flying 200/kilo etc. is for. Keith was suggesting riders doing a flying 200 time, which would be cool if people want to know what their all out sprint time is. A matched sprint is as much about strategy, psyching the other rider out and trying to read when the sprint will start. I think that is way more fun than just hammering off the line. I mean it is all good, but maybe people should get an explanation of what the idea of a matched sprint is just so they know. I mean if people understood the idea of a matched sprint they might want to do it. Just a thought.

So in a venue like Storm the Gates (tm) :P how may sprints should we personaly be doing per eve? I can't imagine doing 4 or more flying sprints.

word. That was the idea of the flying 200 I think, just to get people's rough times so that we could better pair people up for the sprints. Plus then we (and by 'we' I mean 'Will') don't have to be dinking around with stop watches all night. :)

Haha, actually I timed so I know what my competition is! 12.96 kids! lol jk

So in a venue like Storm the Gates (tm) :P how may sprints should we personaly be doing per eve? I can't imagine doing 4 or more flying sprints.

You do 1 flying 200 time at the start of the evening...while you are still fresh. These times are recorded. From week to week you can see if you are faster or slower...if the gear change you made resulted in any significant difference etc. The rest of the night we do match sprints based on times....or just race whoever. These can be rolling starts or standing starts...whatevs the folks racing want. Its all in good fun and whatever we do is all good.

Time on gelato is up for grabs. Meet-up point is also up for grabs. Any suggestions?

Anytime in the evening is good for me, and the meet-up should be fairly central to accommodate both East and West-siders.

Most non-comittal post ever :D Where is the place you mentioned?

So in a venue like Storm the Gates (tm) :P how may sprints should we personaly be doing per eve? I can't imagine doing 4 or more flying sprints.

I figure I did around 5 or 6... I felt great on the first run and felt a steady decline from there on in but had a ton of fun on every last one. ;)

Most non-comittal post ever :D Where is the place you mentioned?

Well I wanted it to be a democratic process, because gelato is the very symbol of democracy. Or something.

How about Honest Ed's parking lot at 8? Dolce Gelato is in Little Italy near College and Beatrice.

not that i'm coming, but as an fyi the sicilian (also in little italy) MAKES their own gelato. you can also have it with waffles and/or expresso if you need something to warm you back up. their tiramisu is deelish. or should i say delizioso!

Dolce makes their own as well. I've never tried Sicilian's, although I do plan on it someday. Would it be wrong for us to go to... both places?

oic

you are 32flavours, are you not? ;)

not sure if I'm gonna make it back out again.. I got all tuckered out riding around after work. :P

Probably won't make it to the gelato gathering.. the weather bummed me out (I had to put on my fleece sweater, boo).

PS, saw this on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=4952640100&ref=nf for those that haven't seen it, a screening of the Flying Scotsman on Saturday night.

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Saw this machine today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fisso416/1546301023/

Time to learn how to lock your bike with a better lock

What frame is that.

P.S Has anyone tried a proxy/anonymizer to circumvent demonoid canadian ip block?

i'm going to the bike show early as i would like to beat the crowds (ha!) and i have to be at work later on so i suggest meeting at moonbeam at 9 sharp (ie no hanging around for too long) and riding down there shortly after for those that are interested.

P.S Has anyone tried a proxy/anonymizer to circumvent demonoid canadian ip block?

Yes.



:p (Someone posted a link to one just a few pages back, check the 30s - I found it the other day).

I might meet you all at Moonbeam, I might not bother heading east and west again, and just head right to the Ex. grounds. I'll be at the show fo' sho'.

www.4proxy.com (http://www.4proxy.com) has been working fine for me on its default settings.

6 degrees?! This is going to suck.

www.4proxy.com (http://www.4proxy.com) has been working fine for me on its default settings.

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Good news is a tailwind all the way to work.

I was the one that posted that, but 4proxy seems to work the best. A lot of the web based proxy's won't let you log into a site.

Okayguyses, let's have bike talk!

FSA Gossamer compact crank (50/36). It's billed as being 9/10 speed compatible, but in reality in the small ring my last 3 gears are unusable due to the chain rubbing (and at times catching) the big ring next to it. The 9sp chain is slightly too wide to clear the ring next to it. The rest of my drivechain is all 9sp (105 shifters/front derailleur, deore rear derailleur, hg50 cassette) and I can't afford to change that. Soo ... ideas are to try to use some chainring spacers to move the small ring inboard .5mm and see if that helps, or reduce the chain to the minimum length and see if that helps free up things a bit too. The concern is that if I move the chainring inboard too much the chain will drop between the gap and removing links still won't make the whole range available in the back.

Taking a look at where the chain actually rubs/catches ... *looking* ... I'm also thinking this problem might be solved by going down to a smaller big ring. I could use one anyway, but this might just mean the chain rubs on the teeth vs. just below them.

Meh, ideas? I'm off to practice and pick up some spacers at Fur Brain.

Can't you get similar ratios with the big ring and an intermediate cog instead? No cross chaining, no extra effort on your part.

It's not even the cross-chaining. Luckily, I can get the ratios and that's fine. It's that the chain is hooking up on the ring next to it and getting ripped up while the derailleur's still in the other position. I was seeing how far I could push it on the way home and in the least offending cog it'll just make a slight tick at normal riding torque - jump out of the saddle thogh for a sudden sprint and it all goes to hell as the drivetrain flexes. I don't care if I'm rubbing the derailleur (if there's no solution I'll have to get drastic w/ the limit screws) but inadvertently hooking up on the big ring would be hell in a race. If possible, I'd like to be able to have more than 6 usable gears in the back + small ring, so that's the ultimate goal.

I'm not sure I'm following you anymore, but I agree that your drive train messing up while you're trying to sprint would definitely be annoying.

Okayguyses, let's have bike talk!

FSA Gossamer compact crank (50/36). It's billed as being 9/10 speed compatible, but in reality in the small ring my last 3 gears are unusable due to the chain rubbing (and at times catching) the big ring next to it. The 9sp chain is slightly too wide to clear the ring next to it. The rest of my drivechain is all 9sp (105 shifters/front derailleur, deore rear derailleur, hg50 cassette) and I can't afford to change that. Soo ... ideas are to try to use some chainring spacers to move the small ring inboard .5mm and see if that helps, or reduce the chain to the minimum length and see if that helps free up things a bit too. The concern is that if I move the chainring inboard too much the chain will drop between the gap and removing links still won't make the whole range available in the back.

Taking a look at where the chain actually rubs/catches ... *looking* ... I'm also thinking this problem might be solved by going down to a smaller big ring. I could use one anyway, but this might just mean the chain rubs on the teeth vs. just below them.

Meh, ideas? I'm off to practice and pick up some spacers at Fur Brain.

I would space the big ring further outboard rather than small ring inboard. Did the crank/BB come with any spacers for the BB? Manipulation of the BB spacers...like putting an extra .5 on the drive side of the BB might help as well. If you want to get a perfect set-up for cross maybe take the big ring off all together. I have an old 110 modified chainring that I used as a bash guard/ring keeper...you can use it if you like...and put a cateye keeper on the inside. I know you ride this on the street as well but in a cross race there is little likelyhood of even needing the big ring.

Okay, small ring, small cog ... the chain is making contact w/ the ring next to it regardless of where the front derailleur is positioned. There's no adjustment I can make w/ the front derailleur to correct the problem other than adjusting the limit screw to act like an early warning system (so the chain rubs against that before making contact w/ one of the rings). If I do that, I'm still losing 3 out of my 9 gogs in the back. The small ring and smallest 3 gogs are affected by the angle of the chain intersecting with the big ring.

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Gold Jerry! Gold!

I would space the big ring further outboard rather than small ring inboard. Did the crank/BB come with any spacers for the BB? Manipulation of the BB spacers...like putting an extra .5 on the drive side of the BB might help as well. If you want to get a perfect set-up for cross maybe take the big ring off all together. I have an old 110 modified chainring that I used as a bash guard/ring keeper...you can use it if you like...and put a cateye keeper on the inside. I know you ride this on the street as well but in a cross race there is little likelyhood of even needing the big ring.

Ya, I think if I remember where things were set the limit screws "want" to go that way more than inboard anyway. And no spacers, it was pulled from a bike that's been previously cannibalized for parts. Single ring may be an option. No time to worry about it for this weekend, but maybe for next.

So, if you're in the small ring up front and you shift into any of the 3 smallest cogs in the back, that's where you get trouble, right? Since I'm mechanically ********, this might not make any sense, but what if you redished your rear wheel to move the cassette inboard a touch? That might help your overall chainline..?

Obviously you're going to have SOME issues when you're cross-chaining like that, but usually it just results in some derailleur rubbing, not full on engagement on the big ring.

ps. I have a meeting with a client this morning and they actually emailed me to ask me what kind of coffee I prefer.. now that's service! Of course, this guy has been a bit of a pest, so a little sucking up is helpful. :P

So, if you're in the small ring up front and you shift into any of the 3 smallest cogs in the back, that's where you get trouble, right? Since I'm mechanically ********, this might not make any sense, but what if you redished your rear wheel to move the cassette inboard a touch? That might help your overall chainline..?

Obviously you're going to have SOME issues when you're cross-chaining like that, but usually it just results in some derailleur rubbing, not full on engagement on the big ring.

Re-dishing wont have any significant impact. You cant re-dish without losing a spacer from the drive side which would not allow the cassette to be installed without rubbing the frame. If the .5 spacer between the rings doesnt work and spacing the BB outboard a smidge isnt possible than getting rid of the big ring is the best option. Not to dump on DeVinci but seeing as you are using fairly standard components it sounds like a poor frame design.

I kinda liked the 6 degrees this morning..... J...if you want to get there early I would recommend being at the door for 9 9:30...remember the line last year? I can;t see you securing any advantage meeting for coffee at 9.

this is kind of everywhere all of a sudden, but wow.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wffwg7pA0t8

ps. I have a meeting with a client this morning and they actually emailed me to ask me what kind of coffee I prefer..

So you told him whatever kind has a couple of shots of whiskey in it?

I kinda liked the 6 degrees this morning..... J...if you want to get there early I would recommend being at the door for 9 9:30...remember the line last year? I can;t see you securing any advantage meeting for coffee at 9.

Yeah, I say we all skip the pre-show coffee as I mentioned and just show up to the show early. Just scan the line for peeps and if you don't see anyone, stake a claim at the end. As I mentioned before, we could always do a post-blowout show 'n tell.. I vote we go to Manic Coffee for a change as well since they have more space without us having to sit outside. :P

this is kind of everywhere all of a sudden, but wow.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wffwg7pA0t8

I'll git you for that Wes, oh yes I will. When you least expect it....:p

BUM RUSH THE SHOW!!!!

ps. I have a meeting with a client this morning and they actually emailed me to ask me what kind of coffee I prefer.. now that's service! Of course, this guy has been a bit of a pest, so a little sucking up is helpful. :P

Whats the coffee that some animal ingests the beans and then poops em out? This what you should ask for.