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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    The low HR thing, relative to percieved effort, could be because you're doing too many hard days a week.
    If you're pushing (or over) 40, Joe Friel says that 'older' guys can only handle 2 or 3 hard sessions a week. In my opnion, the hard days have gotta be hard, and the easy days REALLY easy, like 55% mac HR for less than 80mins.
    Pushing 40... 4 months to go
    I'm not doing hard days, 6-7 hrs aerobic (70-80%) p/w and only 1 or 2 hard sessions.
    Contrary to popular belief, the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'fact'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    eh, Hitchy's done more time-trials than me.

    I read recently that some sprinter types (fast twitch guys) just can't sustain their HR in the "90 percentages" for very long at all, no matter how hard they train. Flipper seems to be a bit a sprinter, so he might be a sub max HR time-trialer, which obviously isn't necessarily related to power output.
    Yeah, I'm definitely not a diesel like some of the blokes at the club... they can just keep churning it out fer ages. I'm getting a bit better at that sort of riding, but it's definitely not a strength.
    Contrary to popular belief, the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'fact'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
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    Yep, I'm with Eastern.
    .......that being the case, the best pacing strategy I can offer is.....Lasso Guy Green's seat post & hang on for your life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitchy
    .....Lasso Guy Green's seat post & hang on for your life!
    haha!! that's how I got 92% fer 28 minutes. Damn he's strong! ... and that effort was just rolling through with him.
    Contrary to popular belief, the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'fact'.

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    eh Odin im in the same boat. In a month ill be doing my 1st 25 K TT and im sure its going to be a vomitron esq affair.

    my plan was to sit around just above my lactate threshold for the 1st half then ramp it up a bit to the end to make sure i dont blow , followed by full sprint to the line? not a good strategy Hitchy?
    You don't need proof when you have instinct.
    Im on the Floyd Landis Jack Daniels training program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
    eh Odin im in the same boat. In a month ill be doing my 1st 25 K TT and im sure its going to be a vomitron esq affair.

    my plan was to sit around just above my lactate threshold for the 1st half then ramp it up a bit to the end to make sure i dont blow , followed by full sprint to the line? not a good strategy Hitchy?
    yeah, the general idea is sound....but break it down into 3rds, rather than 1/2's....the real secret to doing a good ITT (apart from doing the training), is a good warmup, not just 'rolling' around, but actually giving the engine a bit of a 'Rev'....the closer you can be to your optimal HR at the start, the better off you're gunna be....ever do intervals?.....notice the 'lag' between pushing hard & actually getting into the HR interval?...this is what you want to avoid....so good warm up & get to the start line as late as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
    So... back to TTs.
    How hard would you go out from the start for 25km?
    Would it be ridden around LTHR? or is it short enough to pace it higher?
    What sort of time would be respectable fer a C grade vet?
    I'd pull the doona up to my chin and go back to sleep. Only poms and morons ride TT's (stage race TT's excluded)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
    eh Odin im in the same boat. In a month ill be doing my 1st 25 K TT and im sure its going to be a vomitron esq affair.
    I'll be the guinea pig fer 25km TT newbies ... I hadn't gotten any further than LT fer the 1st half and step on it fer the last so your plan was ahead of mine.

    I think I'll take the trainer with me so I can do as Hitchy said and keep my HR up where I want it and stay close to the start.

    Found this on cyclingnews: (Steve Hogg for a 12km TT)
    0-10:00 minutes - Warm up to high E1 for 5 mins and continue till 10mins @ 100rpm.
    10:00-15:00 minutes - Up heart rate gradually to high E2 @ 100rpm
    15:00-20:00 minutes - Up heart rate gradually to high E3 @ 100rpm
    20:00-25:00 minutes - Back to E2 @ 100rpm
    25:00-30:00 minutes - Back up to high E3 at whatever cadence seems appropriate
    30:00 - 40:00 minutes - Get off bike, take it out of the trainer and walk bike over to start line and do as little as possible. What I have found following this is that I can go hard out of the blocks without problems. The above assumes E1 to be 65-75% of Max HR; E2 to be 75-85% of Max HR and E3 to be 85-92% of Max HR.
    In club championship/age handicaps, I have to race against Guy Green and 4 other A graders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    You got aerobars?
    Nope.
    I'd pull the doona up to my chin and go back to sleep.
    aww, I haven't raced in 6 weeks... getting toey so I've got to do something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
    I'll be the guinea pig fer 25km TT newbies ... I hadn't gotten any further than LT fer the 1st half and step on it fer the last so your plan was ahead of mine.

    I think I'll take the trainer with me so I can do as Hitchy said and keep my HR up where I want it and stay close to the start.

    Found this on cyclingnews: (Steve Hogg for a 12km TT)


    In club championship/age handicaps, I have to race against Guy Green and 4 other A graders.
    ...this is good, but keep cadence high, don't wanna 'wear' the legs to much before the ITT...you'll need 'em

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
    Nope.

    aww, I haven't raced in 6 weeks... getting toey so I've got to do something.

    You haven't raced in 6 weeks, so you choose to do a TT first race back?

    Better have a following car so someone can stop to pick up that lung you're gonna cough up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MERTON
    what's wrong with floyds hip?

    post of the year.

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...39#post2819639

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    William Chemy started it!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilchemy
    Awww...did not.
    Enough of that you two, or it will be straight to the Naughty Chair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilchemy
    Sorry. Will try to refrain from such behaviour in future. But sometimes it's just too hard
    Nah, s'orright, gives me an excuse to give you guys a hard time.

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    Back on top of GC at Altoona after a fine 2nd place in stage 3.

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    1 204 Menzies, Karl Health Net Pro Cycli 5:54:39 0
    2 285 Pipp, Frank TargetTraining 5:54:44 @ 00:05
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    Quote Originally Posted by matagi
    Enough of that you two, or it will be straight to the Naughty Chair!
    Now bend over the chair and grasp the legs. Mistress Matagi is going to have to be very strict

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    what do you think, I have Matagi's moniker/screen name/username/whatever changed
    to "Mistress Matagi". I could probably dig up an avatar or two to fit the name. . .
    course I might get banned for that but what the hell . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by climbo
    Back on top of GC at Altoona after a fine 2nd place in stage 3.

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    2 285 Pipp, Frank TargetTraining 5:54:44 @ 00:05
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    Good to see. Have they listed him as being Australian yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matagi
    Enough of that you two, or it will be straight to the Naughty Chair!
    Uh oh. Is that the uspide down thingy that 531 posted originally?


    And as for you marty....Bad moderator! 3 x Hail Lances and then pray the Flandis for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilchemy
    Hey Odin, is it Steels Creek Rd that you are doing the TT on?

    Won a junior TTT state title there with Blackburn in my early days....Gooldy was pulling 1000m turns coming into the finish.

    lumpy course, rough road surface. tough work for young blokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotek
    what do you think, I have Matagi's moniker/screen name/username/whatever changed
    to "Mistress Matagi". I could probably dig up an avatar or two to fit the name. . .
    course I might get banned for that but what the hell . . .

    marty
    You do that, and I'll call in the forum equivalent of a thermonuclear strike (Koffee).

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    Bwaaaahahahaha.

    Poor Koffee's earned herself a bad rap. Shame she doesn't have time drop by more often, she's good value once she gets into the swing of things. Although marty is pretty entertaining when he cuts loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilchemy
    Have they listed him as being Australian yet?

    don't you mean Tasmanian?





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    Quote Originally Posted by ed073
    don't you mean Tasmanian?
    I love how some Taswegians refer to 'the North Island' or the 'Big Island'.

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