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Old 06-09-15, 06:55 PM
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Components without a frame!

I was hit by a car a couple months ago and the frame was trashed. I got a whole new bike under a warranty replacement AND the components from the junked frame (it was the seatstay that was bent, all the components were fine). So basically I'm left with: 2014 Sora Brifters, FSA triple crankset, front and rear Sora Derailleurs, pedals, drop bars, stem, brakes, wheels and a bottom bracket that are begging to be put on a new frame.

By my estimation, I only need new cables/housing, a headset, a frame and a fork and I can buildup a new bike! What I'd like, is a drop bar bike that could take wide tires, fenders and a rear rack for commuting and short rides on gravel.

My question comes down to three options:

1) I have a rain bike. Its a trek FX hybrid, but i've really grown to hate the flat bars and don't find it comfortable for my commutes. It just takes more effort and tires me out quicker than riding my road bike (a Jamis Quest). I could take all the components (mostly, I think I'd need new brakes) and give my trek a new lease on life as a drop-bar commuter/tourer. Wondering if the drop bars would help my comfort and level of exertion though. Not convinced that it would.

2) I could save up my bones to get a surly cross check frameset. I've test ridden the CC and its a nice ride. I know my size. Components would work well with it. Reviews rave about them. The most expensive option as a new CC frameset runs 480. With a headset, cables, new brakes and a donation to the local bike coop in exchange for help putting it all together I'm looking at $600.

3) I can buy a frame, fork and headset from nashbar (or keep an eye on craigslist for some other type of steel-framed bike to repurpose with my modern components). I'm intrigued by their $99 crmo cross frame as I've liked EVERY steel bike that i've ever ridden. I've priced up a frame, fork, brakes, cables, spacers and could buy this stuff for about $200 during one of their 20% coupon deals. With the help of a local bike coop, I could get everything up and running.

Any thoughts/sage advice/options?

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The Nashbar frame/fork should be adequate and will certainly keep the cost down. Repurposing the Trek with dropbars would probably leave you with an unsatisfactory fit as flat bar bikes have different geometry.
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I personally would go with the Trek option first. This would give it a new lease as you say. However, since you mentioned getting help from a co-op, you might be a little less willing than I would be for experimentation. If you aren't the type that does most of their wrenching themselves or just don't have the tools and know how and would rather just get it right and done the first time then my suggestion would be the Surly. You already know you like the frame so there's less chance of you putting all this effort into a bike that once it is built, you don't really like. I have nothing against Nashbar, but it would be the last of the three options you presented.
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Not that it matters, but your bike was trashed in an MV collision, and it was a warranty? Nice of them, but I would have expected the car's insurance to pony up.
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Originally Posted by Ebubar
I was hit by a car a couple months ago and the frame was trashed. I got a whole new bike under a warranty replacement AND the components from the junked frame (it was the seatstay that was bent, all the components were fine). So basically I'm left with: 2014 Sora Brifters, FSA triple crankset, front and rear Sora Derailleurs, pedals, drop bars, stem, brakes, wheels and a bottom bracket that are begging to be put on a new frame.

By my estimation, I only need new cables/housing, a headset, a frame and a fork and I can buildup a new bike! What I'd like, is a drop bar bike that could take wide tires, fenders and a rear rack for commuting and short rides on gravel.

My question comes down to three options:

1) I have a rain bike. Its a trek FX hybrid, but i've really grown to hate the flat bars and don't find it comfortable for my commutes. It just takes more effort and tires me out quicker than riding my road bike (a Jamis Quest). I could take all the components (mostly, I think I'd need new brakes) and give my trek a new lease on life as a drop-bar commuter/tourer. Wondering if the drop bars would help my comfort and level of exertion though. Not convinced that it would.

2) I could save up my bones to get a surly cross check frameset. I've test ridden the CC and its a nice ride. I know my size. Components would work well with it. Reviews rave about them. The most expensive option as a new CC frameset runs 480. With a headset, cables, new brakes and a donation to the local bike coop in exchange for help putting it all together I'm looking at $600.

3) I can buy a frame, fork and headset from nashbar (or keep an eye on craigslist for some other type of steel-framed bike to repurpose with my modern components). I'm intrigued by their $99 crmo cross frame as I've liked EVERY steel bike that i've ever ridden. I've priced up a frame, fork, brakes, cables, spacers and could buy this stuff for about $200 during one of their 20% coupon deals. With the help of a local bike coop, I could get everything up and running.

Any thoughts/sage advice/options?

Cheers!
I'd built up a hybrid disc road frame in 2012 as an upright road bike. The frame can "fit" any size wheel because the disc brakes mean the diameter of the rim can vary. It'll fit 26" wheels with 1.75" tires or 700c with 32mm tires. Full fenders will fit on both. This winter I changed out the components because, like yourself, I just wasn't happy with upright bars. The bike I bought, Kinesis Tripster, came from the UK and is of top notch quality and finish. I had bought a frame from Nasbar a couple years earlier. It was very plain compared to the Kinesis frame which had better welds, a much better finish (paint and clear coat quality), and graphic details. Frankly, both were well designed for their purpose but the UK frame was special compared to Nasbar's Integrated Alloy road frame.

I looked to see if that frame is still available and it is not. However, Kinesis sells a road frame, the Racelight T2 that they call a winter bike ($314 includes delivery but no fork). (Tech White/Urban Grey. Supergloss Black/Tech White. Powder Blue/Tech White) Here's the marketing blurb, followed by a pic:

The winter training frame that other manufacturers have tried to copy, but never matched. This frame has been developed and refined over many years and has become the default choice for club riders and Pro’s over the winter months. There is a 48cm size to suit Female and Junior riders and all head tube lengths have been increased for extra comfort over distance.

The Racelight T2 has all the details that make a great winter trainer, commuter, lightweight tourer or Audax machine; Lightweight, 7005 double butted tubing, comfortable ‘anti roadshock’ seatstays for those long winter rides, stiff responsive chainstays for great response, plenty of clearance for full size mudguards [refer toFAQ's 16] and up to 28c tyres [long reach, 47/57mm brakes required], rack mounts, twin bottle cages and stunning, tougher, dual colour, paint finishes.




Another option is something available on closeout such as the Soma Saga Touring frame pictured below (only available in a 52cm, 26in) for $375 without fork. It'd be great to know the size you're looking for.

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Originally Posted by cale
I'd built up a hybrid disc road frame in 2012 as an upright road bike. The frame can "fit" any size wheel because the disc brakes mean the diameter of the rim can vary. It'll fit 26" wheels with 1.75" tires or 700c with 32mm tires. Full fenders will fit on both. This winter I changed out the components because, like yourself, I just wasn't happy with upright bars. The bike I bought, Kinesis Tripster, came from the UK and is of top notch quality and finish. I had bought a frame from Nasbar a couple years earlier. It was very plain compared to the Kinesis frame which had better welds, a much better finish (paint and clear coat quality), and graphic details. Frankly, both were well designed for their purpose but the UK frame was special compared to Nasbar's Integrated Alloy road frame.

I looked to see if that frame is still available and it is not. However, Kinesis sells a road frame, the Racelight T2 that they call a winter bike ($314 includes delivery but no fork). (Tech White/Urban Grey. Supergloss Black/Tech White. Powder Blue/Tech White) Here's the marketing blurb, followed by a pic:

The winter training frame that other manufacturers have tried to copy, but never matched. This frame has been developed and refined over many years and has become the default choice for club riders and Pro’s over the winter months. There is a 48cm size to suit Female and Junior riders and all head tube lengths have been increased for extra comfort over distance.

The Racelight T2 has all the details that make a great winter trainer, commuter, lightweight tourer or Audax machine; Lightweight, 7005 double butted tubing, comfortable ‘anti roadshock’ seatstays for those long winter rides, stiff responsive chainstays for great response, plenty of clearance for full size mudguards [refer toFAQ's 16] and up to 28c tyres [long reach, 47/57mm brakes required], rack mounts, twin bottle cages and stunning, tougher, dual colour, paint finishes.




Another option is something available on closeout such as the Soma Saga Touring frame pictured below (only available in a 52cm, 26in) for $375 without fork. It'd be great to know the size you're looking for.

Looking for a size 54 in a Cross Check. I like the look of the Soma Saga (i've found several online with frame and fork for same price as the CC frameset). If I were to get something online, though, I'd either go with something I could test ride (like the CC) OR something that was cheap (nashbar).
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Originally Posted by elessar007
I personally would go with the Trek option first. This would give it a new lease as you say. However, since you mentioned getting help from a co-op, you might be a little less willing than I would be for experimentation. If you aren't the type that does most of their wrenching themselves or just don't have the tools and know how and would rather just get it right and done the first time then my suggestion would be the Surly. You already know you like the frame so there's less chance of you putting all this effort into a bike that once it is built, you don't really like. I have nothing against Nashbar, but it would be the last of the three options you presented.
I've got the willingness to learn but not the tools (thus the coop that would let me use their tools and maybe provide a little help). As near as I can figure, the conversion of the hybrid would only require a special tools for the bottom brack/crank installation. All else I'm willing to fiddle with on my bike stand to get mounted/adjusted/working. Youtube is my friend and has taught me to change flats, tune derailleurs, fix spokes, remove cassettes, etc. I'm confident I could get it done and working, but i'm not sure if the end result would be satisfactory .
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Originally Posted by Ebubar
Looking for a size 54 in a Cross Check. I like the look of the Soma Saga (i've found several online with frame and fork for same price as the CC frameset). If I were to get something online, though, I'd either go with something I could test ride (like the CC) OR something that was cheap (nashbar).
Edited to add: New Albion bikes are available near me. There might be a shop near you where you could get a test ride. Sure seems to hit a lot of your criteria. Clearance galore, steel, testable (?), black (don't know how you are on this one). I've seen this same bike in red and I like the red too.

Something closer to this? https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=67426


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This is a really solid deal. Frame, fork, headset and stem for $399, and by all accoUnts a very nice frame at that.

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Originally Posted by Ebubar
I've got the willingness to learn but not the tools (thus the coop that would let me use their tools and maybe provide a little help). As near as I can figure, the conversion of the hybrid would only require a special tools for the bottom brack/crank installation. All else I'm willing to fiddle with on my bike stand to get mounted/adjusted/working. Youtube is my friend and has taught me to change flats, tune derailleurs, fix spokes, remove cassettes, etc. I'm confident I could get it done and working, but i'm not sure if the end result would be satisfactory .
Tools, being as pricey as they can be, are often the thing that keeps a rider from learning certain parts of a buildup or repair. At first glance, it does seem hard to justify $20 for a tool you'll rarely use. I get that. I bought a lot of the bike specific tools I now own while working as a mechanic so I got my employee discount to help offset the cost. I think once having all, or close to all, the tools I would need is what made my stable of bikes expand. The fact that you have the time, the inclination and a co-op to help you is fantastic. I really hope you are able to find ad much enjoyment in building the bike as I have. Whatever your choice, it's great to take what seems like a pile of disparate components and turn them into an elegant and harmonious machine.
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This is a really solid deal. Frame, fork, headset and stem for $399, and by all accoUnts a very nice frame at that.

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A beautiful, steal of a frame. I wish you hadn't shared that. But, no room for tires and fenders both in greater than racing size so not really good for a commuter. For me, that's different... Lucky for me the bike kitty has run dry for a while.
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Since you already have the FX I think it's worth taking some measurements to see if it might make a good drop bar conversion. I successfully transformed an old Trek 730 MultiTrack to drop bars and it fits me perfectly. For me the most important measurement is from the top of the seatpost to the center of the handlebars. If that number is too big I know I won't be comfortable on the bike. Try measuring your current road bikes for reference.

I don't own a Cross Check but I'm a big fan, and I want one someday. The huge tire clearance in particular is very attractive. I was not impressed with some of the Nashbar frames I've seen over the years. But I've not owned one either, and they're a lot cheaper of course. If your budget is limited I'd try hunting down a used frame before buying a new Nashbar frame.

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This is a really solid deal. Frame, fork, headset and stem for $399, and by all accoUnts a very nice frame at that.

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Great frame, terrible choice for what the OP intends to use it for.
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Why a new frame? My favorite commuter frame was used at $40 and my favorite road frame $100. Lots of classy options including powdercoat color of your choice.
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Great frame, terrible choice for what the OP intends to use it for.
Maybe the OP should reconsider his intentions and buy this sweet frame instead.
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Maybe the OP should reconsider his intentions and buy this sweet frame instead.
That's always a good point.
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Breezer looks snazzy, but my Jamis Quest is fine for a similar purpose. Want something for fatter tires, rack and fenders.

The Albion looks good (also looked into a Fyxation Quiver). I'll look around the area for someone that carries the Albion.

Muchas gracias for the insights!
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I would go with the Surly because it sounds like the one you really want.
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New Albion is top of this list. $435 from American Cyclery for frame, fork and chasing/threading of BB and headtube. I can pickup the BB tool and crank puller for $20 on amazon (rather than letting a shop charge me $30 for that!). I've seen a few threads about installing a headset with homemade tools which looks easy enough, or just work with a bike coop.

However, this might be the lowest cost proposition for a new commuter. A fyxation quiver.
Quiver Steel Road Frameset | Fyxation

Just wondering if there's any reason that I couldn't put my triple drivetrain on here? They only mention single or double chain rings in their descriptions. IS there a particular reason the triple won't work?
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I had a similar situation where I had a pile of components and needed a frame.

I bought this from Amazon for 77 dollars and free delivery.



Open the box and look what the label says (Nashbar)



Then I reused every single part from the donor bike, right down to the bottom bracket cable guide. I did have to buy a headset (28 bucks). I even reused the cables.

Mocked up...



As soon as my tires arrive in the mail I'll have a complete bike. I don't have a current picture, but it's now totally complete other than tires and tubes.
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Oh dear. You've caught the disease.

You have completely overlooked the cheapest option. That would be to simply throw away the extra components and not look back. Zero expenditure and you would be as well off as you were before the accident. Of course, nobody here would ever do that because we're all crazy too.

Now you are going to spend more money to build yourself an additional bike. Please let us know which you decide to do.
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old steel bike with 27" wheels, that will get you [32mm] bigger tires. i been building up a 27" mixie and the brakes allowed me to drop the wheelset to 700c, with 35mm tires. the 35's might be to tight for fenders.
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