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    Shimano Dura Ace AX bottom bracket query

    I know that the 3 Shimano AX groupsets were short live groupsets in that they were produced for only a few years in the early 1980s. Regarding the Dura Ace AX bottom bracket. Did Shimano ever make a sealed cartridge type bottom bracket for the Dura Ace AX cranks? All the ads in my 1981 and 1982 magazines and catalogues sho a standard cup and cone bottom bracket. someone had posted an image of a Dura ACE AX crankset on a sealed cartridge bottom bracket. they claim it's original to the bicycle but i never saw one like it in the 1980s. So, is this original or were all Deura Ace AX bottom brackets cup and cone ones?

    Thanks and cheers

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    Probably just need a shorter BB. Velobase says AX needs 107 or 109 mm spindle
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    Hey, you changed the post a bit!

    Seems like Sora Doubles took a 110 BB, pretty close to AX specs.

    You got pics of situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Hey, you changed the post a bit!

    Seems like Sora Doubles took a 110 BB, pretty close to AX specs.

    You got pics of situation?
    I never changed to original post in this thread. it's a different topic to my other thread about the taper.

    in this thread i'm asking if Shimano ever made a sealedd cartridge boottome bracket speciffically for the Dura Ace AX crankset of 1981 - 1984 vintage. The AX crankset is the one with the 1" diameter pedal spindle and crank eye.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
    in this thread i'm asking if Shimano ever made a sealed cartridge bottom bracket specifically for the Dura Ace AX crankset of 1981 - 1984 vintage. The AX crankset is the one with the 1" diameter pedal spindle and crank eye.
    I'm almost certain they did not. Shimano sealed cartridge bottom brackets were developed after AX was no longer in production and the chances they went back and made a retrofit are pretty much zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    I'm almost certain they did not. Shimano sealed cartridge bottom brackets were developed after AX was no longer in production and the chances they went back and made a retrofit are pretty much zero.
    That's what Ihought. I never saw a sealed cartridge BB by Shimano until long after the Dura Ace Index stuff was out. i never saw or heard of a sealed cartridge Dura Ace AX bottom bracket.

    Thanks and cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
    I know that the 3 Shimano AX groupsets were short live groupsets in that they were produced for only a few years in the early 1980s. Regarding the Dura Ace AX bottom bracket. Did Shimano ever make a sealed cartridge type bottom bracket for the Dura Ace AX cranks? All the ads in my 1981 and 1982 magazines and catalogues sho a standard cup and cone bottom bracket. someone had posted an image of a Dura ACE AX crankset on a sealed cartridge bottom bracket. they claim it's original to the bicycle but i never saw one like it in the 1980s. So, is this original or were all Dura Ace AX bottom brackets cup and cone ones?

    Thanks and cheers

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    Shimano bottom brackets from that era were cup and cone. I think cartridge BB's didn't start appearing until 1992 or so.

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    I have an original AX spindle, it is an asymmetric 112mm. It is asymmetric by 2mm, in today's BB world, it would be a 114mm symmetric spindle. If I was going to use a modern Shimano sealed BB I would account for the 0.5mm difference in insertion (from your other thread) and use a 113mm symmetric spindle for a 120mm hub and adjust accordingly for newer chainline if you're using a more modern hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Probably just need a shorter BB. Velobase says AX needs 107 or 109 mm spindle

    Haha! I was lost here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
    I know that the 3 Shimano AX groupsets were short live groupsets in that they were produced for only a few years in the early 1980s. Regarding the Dura Ace AX bottom bracket. Did Shimano ever make a sealed cartridge type bottom bracket for the Dura Ace AX cranks? All the ads in my 1981 and 1982 magazines and catalogues sho a standard cup and cone bottom bracket. someone had posted an image of a Dura ACE AX crankset on a sealed cartridge bottom bracket. they claim it's original to the bicycle but i never saw one like it in the 1980s. So, is this original or were all Deura Ace AX bottom brackets cup and cone ones?

    Thanks and cheers
    I asked the magical google ferries and they said:

    s-l1600.jpg

    This looks like a sealed system, so perhaps the seller simply misunderstands what he has and the item is infact original. This is a cup-cone dura ace AX bottom bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pressed001 View Post
    ...This looks like a sealed system, so perhaps the seller simply misunderstands what he has and the item is infact original. This is a cup-cone dura ace AX bottom bracket.
    That's not a sealed BB, it's standard old school cup/cone BB with a plastic accordion sleeve that protects the bearings from debris dropping down the seat tube. That's a later BB/sleeve, the ones that came with ~1982 were translucent white plastic without any label.
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    Originally Posted by pressed001...This looks like a sealed system, so perhaps the seller simply misunderstands what he has and the item is infact original. This is a cup-cone dura ace AX bottom bracket.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr IGH View Post
    That's not a sealed BB, it's standard old school cup/cone BB with a plastic accordion sleeve that protects the bearings from debris dropping down the seat tube. That's a later BB/sleeve, the ones that came with ~1982 were translucent white plastic without any label.
    He did state that it was a cup and cone bottom bracket.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
    He did state that it was a cup and cone bottom bracket.

    Cheers
    Right. And thanks. As Mr IGH said, the black BB sleeve is from a newer BB. So, it may be why it really looks like a sealed BB. I think the stock sleeve would make it pretty obvious that it is not a sealed system.

    I'm just wondering, when this is all said and done, what type of BB the OP's seller actually has.

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