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Old 05-25-05, 08:28 PM   #1
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I've got some low-priced PBS brake pads with about 3K miles on them. That rear brake had almost no braking power and contributed to my crash from last week. The pads don't appear worn and I adjusted the pad so it has better contact along the rim.

Yet even on dry pavement, the back brake still doesn't brake as nicely as my last bike. Wish I knew which pad that bike had on them. Many hard stops and never a slide-out.

I have just the stock 5200 brake mechanism...Guess that's a V-brake style? What is a good brake pad for rain?
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Other than disc brakes, Koolstop salmon, look no further.
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Interesting design...does that divert the water?
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Well the way the grooves are, helps split the water and channel it away from the pad better. But the best feature is near the back you see it protroudes out a little. That piece in the back hits the rim first and scrapes mud and grit off the rim before the main area on the pad touches it so you get a cleaner contact area for more friction and better braking.
The koolstop salmons are the best pads you can buy out there for wet weather, period.

A lot of bikes come with cheap pads. Even my ultegra pads didn't stop me that well. I saved the front pads and replaced them with black koolstops, they stop a lot better. My gf's road bike has 105's with generic pads in em. She was always complaining that she wasn't stopping as well and I always thought it was cause she had a weak grip. When I tried it out, the thing just slid, sanding the pads didn't seem to make a difference. I put some black/salmon pads on her bike and that thing stops almost as well as my mtb now.
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The koolstop salmons are the best pads you can buy out there for wet weather, period.
Only found these Kools that are rated for Mt Bikes... are they the same ones? While searching I found the brake pads that worked well. The Ultegra 105s come with a wear-bar (see circle). Couldn't find those either.
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Only found these Kools that are rated for Mt Bikes... are they the same ones? While searching I found the brake pads that worked well. The Ultegra 105s come with a wear-bar (see circle). Couldn't find those either.
These are for Shimano road brake cartridges.

The wings that you have circled in your pic aren't wear indicators, they are to help guide your tire during reinstallation of the wheel into the caliper. Campy and Shimano have them as well as others.
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As much as anybody needs to know about kool stops:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/b....html#koolstop

If you scroll up from that page position, you'll find that they make pretty much any type of shoe you'll need.

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Only found these Kools that are rated for Mt Bikes... are they the same ones? While searching I found the brake pads that worked well. The Ultegra 105s come with a wear-bar (see circle). Couldn't find those either.
Koolstop sells road cartridges that fit into shimano brake calipers .They're called "dura type".

The thing u circled helps guide the tire in. At the end of it, on shimano calipers, there's a dot of rubber, that helps protect the rim when the brake pad runs out.
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I think i'm going to buy some koolstop pads.
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In my experience, KoolStop brakepads are better than the genuine Shimano pads I have used (even though I heard that the new version is a significant improvement) and also better than the--ubiquituous here in the NL--BBB pads.

I prefer the black KoolStops. They seem to hold up in bad weather conditions (almost) just as well as the salmon ones, but their braking is much better.


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But the best feature is near the back you see it protroudes out a little. That piece in the back hits the rim first and scrapes mud and grit off the rim before the main area on the pad touches it so you get a cleaner contact area for more friction and better braking.
That's actually the feature I like least. Makes installing the brakepads close to the rims--where I like them to be--near to impossible. Fortunately, the 'protrusions' can be sanded off a bit; eventually they will wear out.
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That's actually the feature I like least. Makes installing the brakepads close to the rims--where I like them to be--near to impossible. Fortunately, the 'protrusions' can be sanded off a bit; eventually they will wear out.
Hey dude, I was going to start a thread griping about that a few weeks back. The problem I was having was when I felt like I had the toe-in set right, that evil little wing in the back of the pad was rubbing the rim.

But other than that, I've been using the half-salmon half-black pads front and rear with good effect.
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Well the way the grooves are, helps split the water and channel it away from the pad better. But the best feature is near the back you see it protroudes out a little. That piece in the back hits the rim first and scrapes mud and grit off the rim before the main area on the pad touches it so you get a cleaner contact area for more friction and better braking.
The koolstop salmons are the best pads you can buy out there for wet weather, period.

A lot of bikes come with cheap pads. Even my ultegra pads didn't stop me that well. I saved the front pads and replaced them with black koolstops, they stop a lot better. My gf's road bike has 105's with generic pads in em. She was always complaining that she wasn't stopping as well and I always thought it was cause she had a weak grip. When I tried it out, the thing just slid, sanding the pads didn't seem to make a difference. I put some black/salmon pads on her bike and that thing stops almost as well as my mtb now.
I thought that piece was to help w/ toe-in...
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Kool stop salmon. I pair has lasted me 2+ years riding every day, in all weather here in boston. Best. pads. ever.
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I had bad experiences with the black kool stop pads that are designed for v-brakes and new generation cantilevers.

a pain in the booty to align and way too grippy- I went over the handlebars twice before tossing them out. I found a pair of jagwires that are totally easy to line up and make for smoother breaking modulation.

I kept the kool stops on the back, primarily out of laziness and I don't use the back as much. They are more effective in the rain.

Oh, and everytime I did ride in the rain the Kool Stops disintegrated into nothing. A lot of people say it's abrasive dust from the water on the road, but I don't believe that. The Jagwires don't do that, nor have any other brake pad I've had in many years of bicycles. I think it's an inferior compound.
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I had bad experiences with the black kool stop pads that are designed for v-brakes and new generation cantilevers.

a pain in the booty to align and way too grippy- I went over the handlebars twice before tossing them out. I found a pair of jagwires that are totally easy to line up and make for smoother breaking modulation.

I kept the kool stops on the back, primarily out of laziness and I don't use the back as much. They are more effective in the rain.

Oh, and everytime I did ride in the rain the Kool Stops disintegrated into nothing. A lot of people say it's abrasive dust from the water on the road, but I don't believe that. The Jagwires don't do that, nor have any other brake pad I've had in many years of bicycles. I think it's an inferior compound.
I think they are better as well. Jagwire are my first choice, Kools second, third Scott\Mathauser (made now by Koolstop.)
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