Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

points of engagement ultegra hub?

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

points of engagement ultegra hub?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-01-17, 03:59 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 335
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
points of engagement ultegra hub?

How many points of engagement ultegra hub? Thanks!
illusiumd is offline  
Old 02-01-17, 04:20 PM
  #2  
The Infractionator
 
AlexCyclistRoch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 2,201

Bikes: Classic road bikes: 1986 Cannondale, 1978 Trek

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
**********

Please, try to make some sense when you post a question.
AlexCyclistRoch is offline  
Old 02-01-17, 04:26 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 4,400

Bikes: Bianchi Infinito (Celeste, of course)

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 754 Post(s)
Liked 104 Times in 77 Posts
20.
Hands On Bike: Merida Scultura 5000 - Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Wheelset

The question makes perfect sense, he's asking how many pawls on the freehub. Pretty common terminology.
gsa103 is offline  
Old 02-01-17, 04:42 PM
  #4  
Calamari Marionette Ph.D
 
SquidPuppet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Coeur d' Alene
Posts: 7,861

Bikes: 3 Chinese Gas Pipe Nerdcycles and 2 Chicago Electroforged Boat Anchors

Mentioned: 75 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2358 Post(s)
Liked 33 Times in 26 Posts
Originally Posted by AlexCyclistRoch
**********

Please, try to make some sense when you post a question.

The post makes perfect sense. His question is clear and concise.
SquidPuppet is offline  
Old 02-01-17, 05:14 PM
  #5  
sch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Mountain Brook. AL
Posts: 4,002
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 303 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 136 Times in 104 Posts
Question made no sense to me either, but on reading the Merida review: points of engagement refers to the gear tooth # inside
the hub on which the pawl(s) engage or slip over depending on direction of rotation of the chain. Most hubs have either
two or three pawls and the gear 16 to 45 teeth, per the article. Might explain why some hubs are really noisy coasting.
Learned something.
sch is offline  
Old 02-01-17, 08:29 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 18,063

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4197 Post(s)
Liked 3,849 Times in 2,300 Posts
Originally Posted by gsa103
20.
Hands On Bike: Merida Scultura 5000 - Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Wheelset

The question makes perfect sense, he's asking how many pawls on the freehub. Pretty common terminology.



How many points of engagement for each wheel revolution of the drive mech. Not all freehubs use pawls. Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 02-02-17, 09:11 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Jiggle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Somewhere in TX
Posts: 2,266

Bikes: BH, Cervelo, Cube, Canyon

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 212 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by sch
Question made no sense to me either, but on reading the Merida review: points of engagement refers to the gear tooth # inside
the hub on which the pawl(s) engage or slip over depending on direction of rotation of the chain. Most hubs have either
two or three pawls and the gear 16 to 45 teeth, per the article. Might explain why some hubs are really noisy coasting.
Learned something.
The noisy hubs have the teeth pressed into the hub shell so the sound comes through the whole of the hub. Shimano has the whole mechanism stuffed into the freehub body so it's kinda insulated.
Jiggle is offline  
Old 02-02-17, 09:34 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 33,656

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2026 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,096 Times in 742 Posts
Originally Posted by Jiggle
The noisy hubs have the teeth pressed into the hub shell so the sound comes through the whole of the hub. Shimano has the whole mechanism stuffed into the freehub body so it's kinda insulated.
Good explanation. My Campy Chorus freehub does indeed have the "ring gear" in the hub shell and is quite vocal while coasting. My Shimano hubs have the entire mechanism in the freehub body and are nearly inaudible.
HillRider is offline  
Old 02-02-17, 09:47 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
trailangel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 4,848

Bikes: Schwinn Varsity

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1931 Post(s)
Liked 742 Times in 422 Posts
Originally Posted by Jiggle
The noisy hubs have the teeth pressed into the hub shell so the sound comes through the whole of the hub. Shimano has the whole mechanism stuffed into the freehub body so it's kinda insulated.
So.. zero points of engagement on a Shimano hub. It's the freehub that has them.
trailangel is offline  
Old 02-02-17, 09:54 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 18,063

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4197 Post(s)
Liked 3,849 Times in 2,300 Posts
Originally Posted by trailangel
So.. zero points of engagement on a Shimano hub. It's the freehub that has them.


Sure, if you want to continue the confusion of terms that the average reader tosses about. Most readers will consider the freehub body as a part of the hub because without the FH body the hub shell can't function as a hub. I assume you are jesting? Andy
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 02-02-17, 10:09 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
trailangel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 4,848

Bikes: Schwinn Varsity

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1931 Post(s)
Liked 742 Times in 422 Posts
Yes. Just extending the talk
trailangel is offline  
Old 02-03-17, 09:22 AM
  #12  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 335
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gsa103
20.
Hands On Bike: Merida Scultura 5000 - Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Wheelset

The question makes perfect sense, he's asking how many pawls on the freehub. Pretty common terminology.
Thanks for the link!
illusiumd is offline  
Old 02-03-17, 09:27 AM
  #13  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 335
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Reason I ask is that seems like my old WI T11's were better at shifting/getting going - wondering if it's cause of this feature? There's like this free space sometimes - does that make any sense or am I imagining it?
illusiumd is offline  
Old 02-03-17, 09:44 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,660
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 582 Post(s)
Liked 171 Times in 138 Posts
A shimano freehub body has 15 teeth and two pawls. The pawls do not engage at the same time so that one engages every 12 degrees.
davidad is offline  
Old 02-03-17, 10:55 AM
  #15  
Don't make me sing!
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Western PA
Posts: 1,022

Bikes: 2013 Specialized Crosstrail Elite, 1986 Centurion Elite RS, Diamondback hardtail MTB, '70s Fuji Special Road Racer, 2012 Raleigh Revenio 2.0, 1992 Trek 1000

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 308 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by HillRider
Campy Chorus = vocal
Nicely played!
kevindsingleton is offline  
Old 02-03-17, 12:50 PM
  #16  
sch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Mountain Brook. AL
Posts: 4,002
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 303 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 136 Times in 104 Posts
Zipp 101 hub has the gear pressed into the hub and is essentially silent when coasting.
sch is offline  
Old 02-03-17, 05:18 PM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 18,063

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4197 Post(s)
Liked 3,849 Times in 2,300 Posts
Originally Posted by davidad
A shimano freehub body has 15 teeth and two pawls. The pawls do not engage at the same time so that one engages every 12 degrees.

Not sure this is the case for all Shimano FH bodies. Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 02-04-17, 01:27 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,660
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 582 Post(s)
Liked 171 Times in 138 Posts
Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
Not sure this is the case for all Shimano FH bodies. Andy.

I have two old bodies that I have taken apart. The 8,9,10 has 15 teeth the older 7sp. has 16 teeth. I counted them.
davidad is offline  
Old 02-06-17, 01:42 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Dave Mayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,499
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1369 Post(s)
Liked 475 Times in 277 Posts
I count 16 'teeth'. With 2 offset pawls, this means 32 'points of engagement'. More than enough for any real life riding purposes.

Of course, it is not possible for more than one pawl to carry torque at one time, so the reasons for more than one pawl are:
  1. To add more 'points of engagement', and
  2. Act as a backup - in the case that pawl #1 fails.

More pawls does not make a 'stronger' rear hub. And the Shimano freehub design is better than any other that I've dealt with, and I've pulled apart and serviced dozens of different hub types.
Dave Mayer is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Gartenmeister
Classic and Vintage Sales
1
11-18-15 04:41 PM
rdtompki
Bicycle Mechanics
0
06-17-12 09:05 AM
rankin116
Bicycle Mechanics
6
12-07-11 11:10 PM
4Rings6Stars
Bicycle Mechanics
7
10-15-11 09:13 PM
skijoring
Bicycle Mechanics
3
10-29-10 01:39 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.