bikerbobbbb

48 holes
135mm
quick release/skewer
capable of taking an 8 speed cassette

Does that exist?

I looked at Surly yesterday but those are all one speeds.

SkyDog75

You can get one from Phil Wood, but it ain't gonna be cheap.

Any pressing need for 48 holes?

bikerbobbbb

Strength. I was looking at 36-spoke rims to build a new wheel. Someone mentioned Velocity Dyad, I looked around their site, found 48 spoke rims, figured if I'm building a new wheel and want it as strong as possible why not use 48 spoke wheels? I found several rims, but when I looked for hubs I couldn't find what I was looking for at all. That probably answers my questions and search in that direction -- Stick with 36 spokes.

It sounds like 48 spokes are probably more for tandems, single speeds, or it's a special building/expensive/hard to get parts for in the future. Is that right?

CliffordK

Here are a couple that don't break the bank.

HUB RR WM MT1110 QR SF 9sCAS 48x135 SB SL
https://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-48x135-sb-bkv

And Fronts:
Hub Ft Aly Sf Qr 48h Tdm Sld Sl
Wheel Master Alloy Hubs

I think DT should also make 48h hubs, but I'm not sure of the width. But they are EXPENSIVE.

SkyDog75

Because it's overkill, unless...

Yep. Phil's 48-hole hubs are marketed as tandem/touring hubs.

HillRider

STOP, STOP, STOP. Do not respond to this thread. Look up his previous threads and you will see why!

CliffordK

Why?

The guy has pulled a spoke through the rim.

States that he is 200 lbs, but carries up to 50 lbs cargo... which puts a decent load on the back.

And, is going to try his hand at a custom wheel build for his bike.

36h is probably sufficient (and perhaps one might just buy an off-the-shelf spare). But, 48h may give one peace of mind for a cargo bike build.

Wider rims and a bit more cushion in the tires will also help.

bikerbobbbb

Thanks. How did you find those 48h hubs? I'm searching rear hub 48h 135mm and still am sifting through results. Going from their categories just got me to all the rear hubs in general.
Niagara Cycle - Search Results for "rear hub 48h 135mm"


This link doesn't work, if you know what it was, the second URL up there.
https://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-48x135-sb-bkv


These still look tempting just to really strengthen it. 48 spokes... But it's hard to find the parts. That seems to be the determining factor. Although, if I build these wheels now, I might not need to worry about parts for 10+ years on them too.


Unless I build two different wheels... 36 spoke and 48 spoke....

CliffordK

I found them a while ago and bookmarked them. For some reason their indexing on them is complex. Niagra also uses Amazon, where you can get the search keys, then go to their website.

There should also be 40h.

Sorry about the link. I should have had 48h in black and silver for both front and rear.
I got an extra "v" from my cutting and pasting.

HUB RR WM MT1110 QR SF 9sCAS 48x135 SB BK

fietsbob

Shimano Tandem hubs come in 40 & 48 hole. they ship as 145..

Then you change the axle, its 10x1 like the rest of their hubs
(with exception of the Pro race stuff)

to have it fit your 135 frame.. All the length comes off the Left end.. spacers..
shorter core axle..

I used a 48 hole Freewheel Phil Hub.. a bike shop garage sale find.. just the hub shell, then got PW Co to make it complete.

got in the mid 80's 1 spoke broke in 10 years. [leave that dork disc on]






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bikerbobbbb

Some more notes. Still reading the latest posts.

I'd go with 48 over 40 just because it's more spokes. If I'm moving away from 36, why not get all possible, as long as that's still standard enough? Unless it's easy enough to find 40h rims and hubs... Then maybe.



HUB RR WM MT1110 QR SF 9sCAS 48x135 SB SL
https://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-48x135-sb-bkv

https://www.cyclingforums.com/thread...asters.431502/
- Says Wheelmaster is a decent brand. Someone look for what I'm looking for I think.

Still tricky to find.
Doesn't look like Wheel master has their own website. So no spec sheets maybe...


https://www.amazon.com/HUB-RR-MT1110.../dp/B004MEWSNW
HUB RR WM MT1110 QR SF 9sCAS 40x135 SB BK
$35.99 + $4.62 shipping
- probably the same thing found earlier though


Dang. This still might answer my question -- Found 1 hub, 1 manufacturer, 1 business that sells it.

My Google-fu and Amazon searching aren't turning up anything else for Wheel master 48h 135mm 8 speed, variations.

CliffordK

Interesting question. I thought I had seen their website earlier, but perhaps not.

It may well be a "house brand" for Niagara. I'm seeing a couple of small stores and wheel builders listing Wheel Master parts, but not a lot.

A search of Chinese manufacturers, and perhaps the hubs would turn up under a different name.

HillRider

Keep responding and you will see why.

fietsbob

Some people build a 48 spoke front, too, so if they damage the rear, the front donates the rim
and they get whatever front wheel they can find..

fietsbob

never heard of 'wheel master', I suggested shimano because you can always find spare drivers
and spare small parts

WE have had exotic hub wheel failures on touring bikes passing thru town,
the Hub gets cut out of the wheel and mailed home.. and a more common wheel gets installed.

Few choose to hang out with the locals and wait for special order parts to arrive,

Though there are plenty of hotel & motel rooms, places to eat and drink, etc..




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CliffordK

That would be ambitious rebuilding two wheels on the road because one can't source a new rim quick enough, but I would imagine it would work in a pinch. Overnight shipping? I suppose it might be the only option in some very remote locations.

CliffordK

The Shimano HF07 and HF08 hubs are somewhat rare and EXPENSIVE.

There is a 7-speed HF07 hub on E-Bay now. It could be rebuilt into 8/9/10 speed, and any width desired with a new freehub.

I'll probably bid on it, unless the OP snaps it up (PM?).

fietsbob

AAron Goss in Seattle drills 16 more holes in R'off hubs for Big Dummy builds

Ads a radial spoke between 2 , 2 criss spokes to a 48 spoke rim..


R'off had some flange breaks, German Tandem riders in Peru, and Bolivia..

not much Overnight shipping to the peaks of the Andes.. ..


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Retro Grouch 

I have a personal friend who actually did that for his tandem. Then he was able to borrow a stock wheel for the front.

fietsbob

tear down the front is easy, loosen the nips a little bit as you go around the rim,
then tape the good rim to the bent one and move the spokes over
without un lacing the pattern, makes the job go pretty efficiently.



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AlexCyclistRoch

https://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...1&d=1487720669

JohnDThompson 

Tandem suppliers are a good source of 48h hubs, e.g.:

Tandems East Cassettes & Cassette Hubs

user264

Niagara has them for $50: item # 453646, but I don't recommend it.
I have one on the back of my bike and after a year of use there's enough play in the bearings that the handling is getting squirrelly. The hub does not appear to be user-serviceable. You can't work on or disassemble the hub like you normally would. I'll be going with Velocity (about $150, but only 40 hole) or White Industries (about $250) next.

bikerbobbbb

Thanks everyone. I think I'm giving up on the 48 spoke wheel idea. Too difficult to find parts that are <$100 and aren't too difficult to find or would have to be custom-built.

I searched some more to try to find the Niagra Cycle Wheel Master hub, but all I found were more businesses selling the same thing. No idea on who actually makes those.