what is a "9/10 speed" derailleur?
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what is a "9/10 speed" derailleur?
Hi guys, I'm gonna ask this question: since deraiilleurs with different speed also have different shift ratios, what does 9/10 mean?
For example, my bike has Tiagra RD-4600(or 4601?) on it as front derailleur. Sora FD-3500 (triple) front, 9 speed hg53chain, st-3503 brifters (3x9) and a 9 speed cassette (28-11). It is a 3x9 setup as you can see.
totalcycling.com/en/Shimano-Tiagra-4601-910-Speed-Rear-Derailleur/m-20492.aspx Acoording to this page, my tiagra is 9/10 speed. Does it mean 9 speed and 10 speed chains have same chainring size, cable pull ratios etc.? If I get some 3x10 shifters, will those be compatible with this 9/10 derailleur? Or if I get a 10 speed new FD, can I just mount it and will it be OK? Or is there a simple mechanism on deralleur, like OFF=9 speed ON=10 speed?
For example, my bike has Tiagra RD-4600(or 4601?) on it as front derailleur. Sora FD-3500 (triple) front, 9 speed hg53chain, st-3503 brifters (3x9) and a 9 speed cassette (28-11). It is a 3x9 setup as you can see.
totalcycling.com/en/Shimano-Tiagra-4601-910-Speed-Rear-Derailleur/m-20492.aspx Acoording to this page, my tiagra is 9/10 speed. Does it mean 9 speed and 10 speed chains have same chainring size, cable pull ratios etc.? If I get some 3x10 shifters, will those be compatible with this 9/10 derailleur? Or if I get a 10 speed new FD, can I just mount it and will it be OK? Or is there a simple mechanism on deralleur, like OFF=9 speed ON=10 speed?
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Many Shimano derailleurs have the same pull ratio; this is the case for 6 to 10 speed road derailleurs. Shimano 10 speed mountain and 11 speed (both kinds) are different. This site has a more complete explanation: Art's Cyclery Blog » Science Behind the Magic | Drivetrain Compatibility
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The very latest 10-speed units are an exception. If I remember correctly, Tiagra 4700 shifters and derailleurs use the same cable pull ratio as Shimano's 11-speed drivetrains.
Shimano actually used the same pull ratio from their earliest indexed shifters up through 10-speed for road parts and 9-speed for mountain bike parts, so there's even more interchangeability. There are other factors to keep in mind when mixing and matching, though, like chain width.
The ability to take up slack is quantified as 'chain wrap capacity', expressed as a number of teeth. It's calculated by adding the difference in your chainring sizes to the difference in your cassette cog sizes. For example, if I've got a 30-40-50 triple chainring and a 12-30 cassette, the wrap capacity I'd need is (50-30)+(30-12)=38 teeth.
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my derailleur has capacity of 39, its fine (28-11)+(48-28)=37, it can handle.
i made an example image for this situation, is this correct then? oi65.tinypic.com/169rurr.jpg If I get a 10 speed shifter, it would operate on all 10 speeds of my RD?
i made an example image for this situation, is this correct then? oi65.tinypic.com/169rurr.jpg If I get a 10 speed shifter, it would operate on all 10 speeds of my RD?
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So to apply that answer to your specific parts... A Tiagra 4600 rear derailleur is designed to use the same cable pull ratio as all of Shimano's 10-speed road shifters except Tiagra 4700, so a Tiagra 4600 derailleur will successfully shift a 10-speed drivetrain so long as you pair it with any Shimano 10-speed shifter other than Tiagra 4700.
Looking at the bigger picture, it's not just 9 and 10 speed shifters and derailleurs that share a cable pull ratio. Shimano used the same pull for almost all of their 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 speed road derailleurs and shifters. What makes those derailleurs slightly different from one another is that they're designed for slightly different chain widths. As more cogs have been crammed into cassettes, chains have become gradually narrower. But chain width is similar enough from one speed to the next that a given derailleur can usually be bumped up or down a notch. 8 speed derailleur on a 9 speed drivetrain or vice versa? No problem. 10 speed derailleur on a 6 speed drivetrain? Maybe not the best combo.
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