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Old 07-28-05, 01:36 PM   #1
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Loud Hubs Better?

I just bought a new set of 2005 Zipp 404 race wheels. When you spin the free hub there is almost no noise just a quick and quiet tick-tick-tick. Every Zipp hub I have ever heard made a much slower, louder TICK.... TICK.... TICK...

I've always been under the impression that the louder the hub, the better, is this true?

Is anyone aware if Zipp made changes to their hubs for '05 or will my hubs sound like the others after they break in.

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Old 07-28-05, 01:47 PM   #2
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My Gipiemmes are much quiter than my Spinergys, but I don't think that makes them any better or worse. Some people think that the the louder the hub is, the more securely the pawls are engaging inside the cassette body. I think that it may have more to do with materials and construction (sound travels more readily through some metals than others) than quality.
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Old 07-28-05, 01:59 PM   #3
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I've had mechanics comment favourably on my loud Hope hub. Never gotten a good reason for why loud is good though. I just find loud = annoying.
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Hmmm... thanks.

Since it's the same hub Zipp changed the internals on their 202/84 hubs... I can't find any information on it on their website. If they did change something, what's better; the '04 version or '05 (did they make improvements or cut costs)
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Old 07-28-05, 02:02 PM   #5
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I have a DT Swiss 240 free hub that is whisper quiet like yours. Given the cost of it, I hope it's alot better quality wise than the shimano stuff i used to have. Interesting question....
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Don't new hubs get louder the more you ride it? My XT hubs(MTB) did.

I thought this was a grease issue? New, freshly packed with grease, makes sense to me that it would have a damping effect.
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Old 07-28-05, 06:43 PM   #7
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Some hubs have deeper, and fewer ratcheting teeth than others. Thus, a bit louder.

More, finely pitched teeth=quieter.

My police bike has a "clutch hub", which is quite silent. I admit I've never taken it apart to see how it works.
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Old 07-28-05, 06:48 PM   #8
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My 240's are like a whisper as another poster said.
They do get louder but still, its very quiet compared to some of the ones I hear which i beleive scare away the wildlife.
But a 10 minute regreasing job silences it again. ANd i believe these are good quality hubs
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Some hubs make more noise then others but the noise has nothing to do with the quality. My Suntour Superbe hub with a Shimano freewheel is so quiet you can't even hear it ticking in a quiet house...but when when I bought it it was making some noise and got worse after about 6 months, so I hosed the freewheel out with Speed Skate Lube and the noise stopped completely and that has been over 3 years ago.

Some people like the sound a noisy hub makes and some don't; buy based on what you prefer.
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Loud hubs can be handy when approaching joggers/slower bikers. Just freewheel a few times while approaching. The sound says "biker approaching" much better than "on your left" ever did.
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It is a grease issue. The longer you use your wheel the wicker the grease gets and the louder the hub becomes. Repack the hub with fresh grease and the wheel will get quieter.
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It'll get louder.....gauranteed....as poster #11 mentioned.
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I have hand velocity hubs on two bikes and almost no sound at all ater 2k. had a very interesting hub made by Selle Italia soem really high end botique hubs no soudns at all. but I could not find spokes that fit them so they were never used.
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Some hubs have deeper, and fewer ratcheting teeth than others. Thus, a bit louder.
Wrong. Chris King hubs have far more engagement points than Shimano and sound like a swarm of angry bees
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Wrong. Chris King hubs have far more engagement points than Shimano and sound like a swarm of angry bees
Right! There are actually two quite different types of freehub mechanisms. Most, like Shimano, use some number of spring loaded prawls that work against an inner ratchet gear. Those are the quiet ones. The loud ones, like Chris King and some Hugi's have two spring loaded discs that have opposing ratchet faces which work against one another.
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I had a Phil touring hub on the back of my Atlantis, and it was pretty loud too. I liked the sound though.
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I recently upgraded from '04 Bontrager Race Lites to '05 Bontrager Race X Lites. The new X lites' rear hub is MUCH quieter. And I know that it is a much better hub / wheel.
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Right! There are actually two quite different types of freehub mechanisms. Most, like Shimano, use some number of spring loaded prawls that work against an inner ratchet gear. Those are the quiet ones. The loud ones, like Chris King and some Hugi's have two spring loaded discs that have opposing ratchet faces which work against one another.
That is correct but my Hugi's are the most quiet hub i have heard.
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Being loud doesn't make a hub better, but many of the priciest and best hubs happen to be loud.
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going from my DAs to my kings or back again always entertained me somewhat. it's fun to be loud, but it's nice to be quiet, as well.

i've heard comments from fellow racers more than once about not liking loud freehubs cause it lets the competition know when you're coasting.
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Being loud doesn't make a hub better, but many of the priciest and best hubs happen to be loud.
But Walmart bikes have some of the loudest hubs on the market, or Phil Woods makes probably the best hub on the market and it's silent. So really noise or lack there of is not the issue as to whether or not the hub is better...or worse.
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It's a combintation of ratchet depth, number and size of pawls and especially grease...different kinds of grease will produce drastically different levels of noise in the same hub.
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