Rank the level of Campy components?
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Rank the level of Campy components?
I'm confused at the rankings of Campy. I know the Record is their highest. What about Veloce, Mirage, and any othe I missed?
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Currently it goes from top to bottom:
Record
Chorus
Daytona/Centaur
Veloce
Mirage
Xenon
The Daytona name no longer used due to trademark infringment. Centaur used to be the name of a Campy MTB group also. There is also a Pista track group that is about Record level. So far no MTB groups. Veloce is the best buy for the money group.
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Record
Chorus
Daytona/Centaur
Veloce
Mirage
Xenon
The Daytona name no longer used due to trademark infringment. Centaur used to be the name of a Campy MTB group also. There is also a Pista track group that is about Record level. So far no MTB groups. Veloce is the best buy for the money group.
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There is one confusing name you will sometimes see. "Daytona" was once the group just below Chorus but Campy ran into copyright problems with Chrysler which had trademarked the name for a car. Instead of contesting the infringement claim, Campy just changed the name to Centaur for the same components.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
There is one confusing name you will sometimes see. "Daytona" was once the group just below Chorus but Campy ran into copyright problems with Chrysler which had trademarked the name for a car. Instead of contesting the infringement claim, Campy just changed the name to Centaur for the same components.
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You can put these into three groups of technology. The technology seems to remain consistent in each group but the latest technology seems to migrate from the higher one to the lower one.
Record and Chorus are the highest tech groups that incorporate significant amounts of carbon fiber to affect weight reductions. They are similar to each other. The bike I'm building has Chorus shifters and rear deraillleur with a record bottom bracket. All these parts use carbon fiber in various areas with the Record using it more. They really work at reducing weight with them. As an example, the Record brakeset uses a double pivot brake on the front for better stopping power but a single pivot on the rear for lower weight. Rear braking is less important than front braking in terms of the braking power involved so it is a place where weight can be saved without compromising performance. These are the most advanced drive train components in the industry.
Centaur and Veloce are very similar to each other and are a step down from the first group. The parts are aluminum where the first pair would have carbon fiber. The front derailleurs, as an example, are identical for the two groups and the cranks are nearly identical. I view these components as similar in technology to the Dura ace and Ultegra in the Shimano line but slightly heavier.
Mirage and Xenon are the two budget groups. You might think of them as being similar to the 105 and Tiagra groups in the Shimano line. Good quality and reliability with somewhat less fit, finish and precision and yet a little more weight.
I've ridden Record, Chorus and Veloce. I don't think there is much difference between them in terms of function, reliability and performance. The major differences are in fit, finish and weight - and price, of course. The smoothest, most precise shifting bike I own is almost completely Veloce except for the front derailleur which is Centaur. My Shimano equipped bikes (2 of them) are excellent but not quite as precise or smooth. The Campy components are a luxury but they are definitely more expensive. Hope this helps put things into perspective.
Record and Chorus are the highest tech groups that incorporate significant amounts of carbon fiber to affect weight reductions. They are similar to each other. The bike I'm building has Chorus shifters and rear deraillleur with a record bottom bracket. All these parts use carbon fiber in various areas with the Record using it more. They really work at reducing weight with them. As an example, the Record brakeset uses a double pivot brake on the front for better stopping power but a single pivot on the rear for lower weight. Rear braking is less important than front braking in terms of the braking power involved so it is a place where weight can be saved without compromising performance. These are the most advanced drive train components in the industry.
Centaur and Veloce are very similar to each other and are a step down from the first group. The parts are aluminum where the first pair would have carbon fiber. The front derailleurs, as an example, are identical for the two groups and the cranks are nearly identical. I view these components as similar in technology to the Dura ace and Ultegra in the Shimano line but slightly heavier.
Mirage and Xenon are the two budget groups. You might think of them as being similar to the 105 and Tiagra groups in the Shimano line. Good quality and reliability with somewhat less fit, finish and precision and yet a little more weight.
I've ridden Record, Chorus and Veloce. I don't think there is much difference between them in terms of function, reliability and performance. The major differences are in fit, finish and weight - and price, of course. The smoothest, most precise shifting bike I own is almost completely Veloce except for the front derailleur which is Centaur. My Shimano equipped bikes (2 of them) are excellent but not quite as precise or smooth. The Campy components are a luxury but they are definitely more expensive. Hope this helps put things into perspective.
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I thought of using inexpensive Veloce for a certain bike until I actually saw the gear in person. COuldn't believe something this cheap and poorly made carried the 'Campagnolo' brand - very dissappointing.
For my other bikes I've settled on Ultegra as the best value/engineering you can get of any brand of components - great looking and functioning components when DuraAce or Record will simply not provide any additional benefit for me.
For my other bikes I've settled on Ultegra as the best value/engineering you can get of any brand of components - great looking and functioning components when DuraAce or Record will simply not provide any additional benefit for me.
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Originally Posted by rufvelo
I thought of using inexpensive Veloce for a certain bike until I actually saw the gear in person. COuldn't believe something this cheap and poorly made carried the 'Campagnolo' brand - very dissappointing.
For my other bikes I've settled on Ultegra as the best value/engineering you can get of any brand of components - great looking and functioning components when DuraAce or Record will simply not provide any additional benefit for me.
For my other bikes I've settled on Ultegra as the best value/engineering you can get of any brand of components - great looking and functioning components when DuraAce or Record will simply not provide any additional benefit for me.
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Originally Posted by cs1
Centaur used to be the name of a Campy MTB group also.
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Originally Posted by fmw
Too bad you didn't actually ride it so could have formed a more informed impression.
I've used the very same Ultegra for 8 years and 30,000 miles, more than enough reliability for me and they don't look like they're about to give out yet. I've also used some form of Shimano 600 for as long as ever with the same positive results.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Wasn't the (or an) MTB group called "Oxygen"? I don't recall the Centaur name being used in the past but I'm not sure of this at all.
Euclid
Centaur
Olympus
Icarus
Record OR
i don't know the differences in the groups other than Record OR was top-o-the-line and Centaur was (and is) the most common. the parts didn't have the same "ethereal" quality of some of Campy's road parts; instead, they had a solidity reminiscent of a W140 S-Class.
as for "ranking" Campagnolo's road groups, why not visit the company website? that's what i'd do.
sarcasm aside, i've got a Mirage-equipped bike, and it shifts as sweetly as any Shimano-equipped bike i've ever tried. i haven't rode DA 10, but i have tried Ultegra 10, DA 8 & 9, and 105. the big reason i went Campy is the brifter design; i just prefer it.
as for cost/benefit, i'd never spend my own money on DA. Ultegra, sure. but i would spend it on Record (if i could afford it). mainly because the finish of the parts is so spectacular, rather than any real performance upgrade.
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Originally Posted by jhota
as for cost/benefit, i'd never spend my own money on DA. Ultegra, sure. but i would spend it on Record (if i could afford it). mainly because the finish of the parts is so spectacular, rather than any real performance upgrade.