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Old 09-22-05, 01:00 PM   #1
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Tough road tires

I have an '06 specialized langster with the stock 700x23 mondo tires. I got off of it to day and noticed a 1cm+ long split/cut on the tire. There is still plenty of pressure but I will have to replace it. So my question is what should be done? I have had the Specilized Armadillos recommended to me but I don't like the color of them (dumb I know but the bike is black and the tires are brown). I use the bike for city commuting in Portland OR. Any help?
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Old 09-22-05, 01:25 PM   #2
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I've evolved towards using the Armadillos almost exclusively on my training wheels. Also put a Mr.Tuffy tyre-liner underneath along with a thorn-resistant tube. Add a little Slime and we're good to go. Believe me, after getting a flat every week from the mileage of intensive training or commuting, the frustration will win out over any possible aesthetic consideration...
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Old 09-22-05, 01:34 PM   #3
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I've always heard (and felt) that Continental tires are good for wet-weather commuting. That's what I use in the winter around here, and I assume Portlandia has similar conditions. I use a tire liner too, once the tread starts to get a little worn.
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Old 09-22-05, 02:20 PM   #4
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Flat tires suck, I hate to spend what little I get to ride on the side of the road.

I'm running Gator-Skins, 700x28, and they aren't flat-proof. Nice tires, but
really can't say I get less flats with them.

I've decided no one makes a flat-proof tire. I guess it's the weight-weinie in all of us that keeps tires light and vulnerable.
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I've been extremely happy with my Race Lite Hardcases. I've ridden the treads off of one set (~2000miles), and am about 700 miles into the next. Not a single flat.
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I'd go for the Hardcases. I've seen a lot less problems with them than Armadillos or Gators especially.
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Run Conti Ultra Gatorskins on my road bike and love them. Supple, fast & very few flats. Run Nashbar Prima 2 + on my fixie. Not as supple, but wearing well with very few flats, either.
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I'd go for the Hardcases. I've seen a lot less problems with them than Armadillos or Gators especially.

I use Race lite Hardcases also. No Flats so far. They do seem a little squirely though. Not sure if it is my imagination or not.
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Old 09-22-05, 09:56 PM   #9
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So far we have:
  • Armadillos
  • Gatorskins (and Ultra GS)
  • Race Lite Hardases
As tough urban commute tires.

Any more suggestions?
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I've been using them for a few months now... very happy with the beasties!
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I have about 2500 miles on some cheap 700X28 Performance GT Kevlar belted tires. Got them for about $10 each on sale. Not one flat. However, the roads on my commute are fairly good - not much glass etc... Now I've jinxed myself, I'll probably get a flat tonight on the way home.
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I use Paselas on my commuter with heavy duty thorn resistant tubes. They're heavy but work great. No flats so far.
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I'll toss in a vote for Continental Top Touring 2000s. Not the prettiest or the lightest things, but they're tough, and they roll smoothly considering the excellent traction they offer on wet roads. I used them when I lived in Seattle. Gonna use 'em when I move to Portland in a month.

In general I find that Continentals are super tough tires. I have also heard high enough recommendations for Panaracer Paselas (the TourGuard kind) that I would consider those as well.
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I like the Specialize Armadillo's. They are so flat resistent that putting a liner and slime tube in those is just a waste of money and adding a lot more unnecessary weight. The Gatorskin has no sidewall protection regardless of what they say about their duroskin, the duroskin sidewall is paper thin and offers no flat protection. The Armadillo has a flat resistent thick sidewall that is almost bullet proof.

When I tried Gatorskins I used a Slime tube and a liner and still averaged 2 flats a week, but I lived in Goathead City and Thistle Town (Mojave desert area of California) and no tire was working until I tried the Armadillo. When I used the Armadillo I went from averaging 2 to 5 flats a week down to none, and in just over a 3 year span and over 15,000 miles I only had 2 flats, one was caused by a faulty tube and the other was due to riding on a worn out cord showing Armadillo. I rode that worn out Armadillo flat for 5 miles slowly to see what would happen to the tire; the tire was not damaged nor was the rim or tube, the sidewall protected the rim and tube while riding flat!

Slime tubes by the way are useless in road tires, they will not seal even the smallest leaks once you air up past 65psi; even after the leak is sealed and you rode on it for a while below 65psi then tried to go past 65 the air pressure just blows the sealant out and it leaks again making a nice green mess insided your rim and tire. But they work great on MTB tires. Specialize does make a self sealing tube called the Airlock that is suppose to be way better then the Slime tube but I never used it so I can't comment on it.

Also with the Armadillo you can easily get away with using a ultralight racing tube and still not be worried about flats; I use the Specialize Turbo R tube that weighs 65gms and had no issues. I also have never had an issue with the tire seperating and I have worn out about 7 sets of those Armadillos.

Now that I no longer live in the Mojave Desert and not subject to goatheads etc I have switched to a lighter Specialize Mondo tire and so far so good.
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If the slit/cut you discribe does not reach the plies, I don't think there is anything to wory about, but does bear watching. I have Continental Attck grand prix tires. They come in pairs designated front and back. Shortly after I installed my last pair a crack developed accross the tread on the front tire. I have put over a thousand miles on them and they have shown no bad effects so far. The crack has not changed but does look icky. I think mine developed through the manufacturing process and may be quiite deep.
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I have an '06 specialized langster with the stock 700x23 mondo tires. I got off of it to day and noticed a 1cm+ long split/cut on the tire. There is still plenty of pressure but I will have to replace it. So my question is what should be done? I have had the Specilized Armadillos recommended to me but I don't like the color of them (dumb I know but the bike is black and the tires are brown). I use the bike for city commuting in Portland OR. Any help?
Hi there. I've had great success with my Vredestein Ricorso tires (700 x 23). I'm actually test riding a pair of Conti GP4000's with the Vectran (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...005/news/08-15). 110 threads per inch, and they are supposed to be pretty tough.
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