Shimano Ultegra vs. Campy. Which is the better group?
11-03-05, 12:36 PM
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Shimano Ultegra vs. Campy. Which is the better group?
Reliability, durability, responsiveness?
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Campy what? If you're thinking Chorus, I'd say that there's very little diff, despite Chorus' increased cost. I'd expect similar results from both. So it comes down to
* cost (Ultegra wins)
* whether you like Ergopower vs. STI brake/shift levers
* interchangability and cost of replacements/updates (again, Ultegra wins)
* looks
I assume that the "responsiveness" of brakes and cranks are similar.
Why do you ask, to begin with?
* cost (Ultegra wins)
* whether you like Ergopower vs. STI brake/shift levers
* interchangability and cost of replacements/updates (again, Ultegra wins)
* looks
I assume that the "responsiveness" of brakes and cranks are similar.
Why do you ask, to begin with?
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Originally Posted by masiman
Trolling...lol
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In this case I think it's because his Veloce RD took a crap on him. In either case it's more about religion when you talk Campy VS Shimano.
OP: my vote goes to Shimano. It's just more cost effective in most cases.
OP: my vote goes to Shimano. It's just more cost effective in most cases.
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Nooooo....stop the insanity!
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Originally Posted by CastIron
In this case I think it's because his Veloce RD took a crap on him. In either case it's more about religion when you talk Campy VS Shimano.
Originally Posted by CastIron
OP: my vote goes to Shimano. It's just more cost effective in most cases.
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Originally Posted by antiquebiker
Please help this clueless newbie understand what trolling is....
Me too - what is "trolling"? (And I'm a Senior Member!)
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Originally Posted by CastIron
In this case I think it's because his Veloce RD took a crap on him. In either case it's more about religion when you talk Campy VS Shimano.
OP: my vote goes to Shimano. It's just more cost effective in most cases.
OP: my vote goes to Shimano. It's just more cost effective in most cases.
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Originally Posted by MudPie
Me too - what is "trolling"? (And I'm a Senior Member!)
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My point about cost effectiveness is that non-carbon Record VS D/A build kits (same for Chorus/Ultegra, didn't price 105 or Centuar or Veloce) are several hundred dollars less (about six) for top-line and 2nd from top kits from either manufacturer. I'll suggest that either is virtually equal in performance to most users and thusly it's mostly about: 1) religion and (2) pocket depth as both are of remarkable quality AND remakable price difference.
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
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Originally Posted by CastIron
My point about cost effectiveness is that non-carbon Record VS D/A build kits (same for Chorus/Ultegra, didn't price 105 or Centuar or Veloce) are several hundred dollars less (about six) for top-line and 2nd from top kits from either manufacturer. I'll suggest that either is virtually equal in performance to most users and thusly it's mostly about: 1) religion and (2) pocket depth as both are of remarkable quality AND remakable price difference.
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HAHAHAHAHAAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll bite, what the heck I need the entertainment, nothing on TV anyways!
Anyway whoever said Chorus was equivalent to Ultrega is gone up stairs. Chorus is equivalent to DuraAce; and Chorus is equivalent to Centaur; and Record is in a class of it's own.
Now as far as reliability, durability, responsiveness goes that's subject to personal interpretation. My personal opinion and those of LBS's that I spoke to suggest that Campy is more reliable and durable than Shimano, however responsiveness is about equal depending on who you talk to. I also know that Campy has a greater number of small parts available to fix a major part whereas Shimano would prefer you replace the major part; go to your LBS and ask to see the repair parts list for both and you'll quickly see. This parts thing would suggest that in the long run it would be cheaper to maintain Campy assuming reliablity were equal, which supposely their not.
Now I'm going to set back in glee and watch the war unfold.
I'll bite, what the heck I need the entertainment, nothing on TV anyways!
Anyway whoever said Chorus was equivalent to Ultrega is gone up stairs. Chorus is equivalent to DuraAce; and Chorus is equivalent to Centaur; and Record is in a class of it's own.
Now as far as reliability, durability, responsiveness goes that's subject to personal interpretation. My personal opinion and those of LBS's that I spoke to suggest that Campy is more reliable and durable than Shimano, however responsiveness is about equal depending on who you talk to. I also know that Campy has a greater number of small parts available to fix a major part whereas Shimano would prefer you replace the major part; go to your LBS and ask to see the repair parts list for both and you'll quickly see. This parts thing would suggest that in the long run it would be cheaper to maintain Campy assuming reliablity were equal, which supposely their not.
Now I'm going to set back in glee and watch the war unfold.
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I'm disappointed you didn't posit Suntour as a third option.
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Anyway whoever said Chorus was equivalent to Ultrega is gone up stairs. Chorus is equivalent to DuraAce; and Chorus is equivalent to Centaur; and Record is in a class of it's own.
I also know that Campy has a greater number of small parts available to fix a major part whereas Shimano would prefer you replace the major part;...
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Originally Posted by spider-man
I'm disappointed you didn't posit Suntour as a third option.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
I assume you meant to type Ultegra for Chorus in this statement. Pricewise, you are right. Quality wise, it gets into religion and politics as a topic for argument.
Any LBS I ever talked to AND almost everone on this forum and other forums have said that the quality of Chorus is much in line with the quality of DuraAce and Centaur is more in line with Ultrega with Record being above DuraAce. Like I said let the war begin!
This is correct but Campy prices their repair parts so high that replacement, ala Shimano, is often more attractive than repairing the worn out item. Campy brifters are an exception. The repair kits are available and priced attractively enough to make repairing them a good option.
Any LBS I ever talked to AND almost everone on this forum and other forums have said that the quality of Chorus is much in line with the quality of DuraAce and Centaur is more in line with Ultrega with Record being above DuraAce. Like I said let the war begin!
This is correct but Campy prices their repair parts so high that replacement, ala Shimano, is often more attractive than repairing the worn out item. Campy brifters are an exception. The repair kits are available and priced attractively enough to make repairing them a good option.
