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    bar end shifters or reverse brake levers onTT bar?

    I'm attempting my first bike build and want to use something like a Time Trial bar, although I suspect to get it narrow enough for me I will have to amputate a drop bar & mount it upside down. My first thought was to use bar end shifters and then mount road brake levers only on the bar just before it turns up. Then I saw these reverse brake levers http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi...d=391522311802. If I used them I would probably have to go with some of the "flat bar road bike" shifters. Or should I just get a set of brifters and keep it all out in easy reach? Please state your preferences and why. Thank you.
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    I have seen a setup where the person used a TT bar with the TT reversed brakes and a set of the pads and the extended aero bars with the bar end shifters placed on those. I ride mountain and road and recently I took a road bike and setup the bars with straight mtb bars, flat bar shifters, cane creek barends, and a couple of interior short bar ends setting the bar end shifters on those stubbies. You could do the same by getting some barends and cut them down and add them just inside the outside bars and have both as a solution.
    It is working out very well. I always found my mtb HB setup very comfortable and wanted to experiment with something on the road bike for a tourning setup. So far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanster04
    I have seen a setup where the person used a TT bar with the TT reversed brakes and a set of the pads and the extended aero bars with the bar end shifters placed on those. I ride mountain and road and recently I took a road bike and setup the bars with straight mtb bars, flat bar shifters, cane creek barends, and a couple of interior short bar ends setting the bar end shifters on those stubbies. You could do the same by getting some barends and cut them down and add them just inside the outside bars and have both as a solution.
    It is working out very well. I always found my mtb HB setup very comfortable and wanted to experiment with something on the road bike for a tourning setup. So far so good.

    i'd love to see a picture of that setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Beetham Smith
    I'm attempting my first bike build and want to use something like a Time Trial bar, although I suspect to get it narrow enough for me I will have to amputate a drop bar & mount it upside down. My first thought was to use bar end shifters and then mount road brake levers only on the bar just before it turns up. Then I saw these reverse brake levers http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi...d=391522311802. If I used them I would probably have to go with some of the "flat bar road bike" shifters. Or should I just get a set of brifters and keep it all out in easy reach? Please state your preferences and why. Thank you.
    Ok, not getting into the question of why:

    There are bullhorns that you use with those levers. You can get them at least as narrow as 39cm. Flipping and chopping drops = ghetto. People usually use bar ends at the end of ACTUAL time trial bars, not the bullhorns.

    If you mount bar ends at the end of your bullhorns, which is going to be incredibly stupid looking - your brakes will have to be inline levers. Of course the other option is to just ghetto it again and put brifters on both sides. Which has been done in pro TT races. Also looks stupid as heck and a waste of $.
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    Quote Originally Posted by operator
    Ok, not getting into the question of why:

    There are bullhorns that you use with those levers. You can get them at least as narrow as 39cm. Flipping and chopping drops = ghetto. People usually use bar ends at the end of ACTUAL time trial bars, not the bullhorns.

    If you mount bar ends at the end of your bullhorns, which is going to be incredibly stupid looking - your brakes will have to be inline levers. Of course the other option is to just ghetto it again and put brifters on both sides. Which has been done in pro TT races. Also looks stupid as heck and a waste of $.

    functionality over aesthetics any day. if it works and is effective who the hell cares what it looks like. you aren't trying to impress your friends with it are you? if so then rethink what you are doing
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    You could put bar end shifters on the horns and then mount some aero brake levers on the bars with the lever facing forward. You'd have all of your controls within easy reach and it would be a fairly clean looking install.

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    I'm considering doing the same, and don't think it would look stupid or put form over function. It will just be like having bullhorn bars with the shifters & brake levers right there where my hands will be at the end of the horns. The problem I'm running into is that most of the reasonably priced reverse brake levers mount via plugs that go into the end of the bar -- thereby occupying the same space where the bar-end shifters need to go. I've found one solution so far. A little company in Minnesota called Jtek makes two products. One is a brake lever that mounts to the pivot of the barcon -- called AeroBrake, and the other is a reverse brake lever that clamps externally around the handlebar. This second product might be similar to an inline lever -- never had them side-by-side to compare. Both are, unfortunately, pretty pricey options. But check them out at jtekengineering.com/products.htm. Not a stupid idea at all -- I think actually a pretty good solution to put levers and shifters right there at the ends. I've got a 47cm wide stoker bar that I'm going to set up this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzinehaus
    functionality over aesthetics any day. if it works and is effective who the hell cares what it looks like. you aren't trying to impress your friends with it are you? if so then rethink what you are doing
    Yes, but you missed the point. In addition to looking idiotic it's also not effective.

    Setup #1: Barends on bullhorns + aero levers this would work, minor disadvantage of a snag point
    Setup #2: STI shifters on bullhorns - akward to shift, but controls are all there
    Setup #3: TT levers on bullhorns + gripshifters - this could work. But how would you get the gripshifters around the curve of the bullhorns?
    Setup #4: TT levers with JTek aeroBrake. Expensive as hell. Efficacy of the aeroBrake questionable.

    Sounds like a whole lot of trouble just to avoid using drops... why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by operator
    Yes, but you missed the point. In addition to looking idiotic it's also not effective.

    Sounds like a whole lot of trouble just to avoid using drops... why?
    How about because that's the set up he wants. And me too for that matter. I think it's a great idea and I was surprised there weren't more products available to make it work. For TT, I guess most riders put the reverse brake levers on the horns, and mount the barcons on the aero extensions. But it seems like a great idea to have both in the same location to shift and be able to brake from one hand position. Who made you the supreme arbiter of what looks right, and how people should want to set up their bikes? BTW, Operator, speaking of idiotic, you wouldn't use the Jtek Aerobrake with a TT lever -- both are brake levers. I'm guessing, just based on the tone of your posts, that there are a thousand things you do every day that I would think were idiotic -- but I also don't figure I've been appointed to make those judgments.

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    I'm thinking of doing something similar, and just started a similar thread. So far I have what's pictured below, but want to add bar end shifters instead of my Kelly Takeoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardheadmandca
    I'm thinking of doing something similar, and just started a similar thread. So far I have what's pictured below, but want to add bar end shifters instead of my Kelly Takeoffs.


    I wanna see bigger pics of that setup that looks sweet and effective... is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dzinehaus
    I wanna see bigger pics of that setup that looks sweet and effective... is it?
    I'll take some today and post them tonight. It works very well. However, I think Bar end shifters set up so I can move them left and right would work better.

    Right now, I have to come off the bar a bit to shift front and back. I also set it up as friction, and should probably flip it to index - less struggle to get in gear, but less control as well.
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    So maybe to refine the question a bit, does anyone know of a reverse brake lever (other than the Jtek products mentioned above) that clamps around the outside of the bar so that the bar ends are left open to receive the shifters?

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    Here are the close ups.

    To the OP, I used older Shimano 600 brake levers on this.



    Questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ginsoakedboy
    How about because that's the set up he wants. And me too for that matter. I think it's a great idea and I was surprised there weren't more products available to make it work. For TT, I guess most riders put the reverse brake levers on the horns, and mount the barcons on the aero extensions. But it seems like a great idea to have both in the same location to shift and be able to brake from one hand position. Who made you the supreme arbiter of what looks right, and how people should want to set up their bikes? BTW, Operator, speaking of idiotic, you wouldn't use the Jtek Aerobrake with a TT lever -- both are brake levers. I'm guessing, just based on the tone of your posts, that there are a thousand things you do every day that I would think were idiotic -- but I also don't figure I've been appointed to make those judgments.
    Sorry I ****ed up.

    I don't have a problem with anyone using the setup. Re: aerobrake with TT Lever, I actually meant aerobrake with barends. The JTek aerobrake that attaches to the barend looks like a really nifty solution.

    Hell do setup #1. I'd love to see it. I ride a fixed gear so I have no reason to need shifters anywhere near my base bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardheadmandca
    Here are the close ups.

    To the OP, I used older Shimano 600 brake levers on this.



    Questions?
    what are those attachments for the downtube shifters? where can I find some?

    PS really love the setup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dzinehaus
    what are those attachments for the downtube shifters? where can I find some?

    PS really love the setup!
    They're called Kelly Take-Offs - http://www.kellybike.com
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    do trigger shifters exist for aero bars / bull horns? i'm not referring to sti levers / brifters but something more along the lines of mtb trigger shifters... something along those lines...

    thanks for the take-off link
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