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    Crash damage?

    I was checking out ebay for some spare parts when I came on this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ROAD-BIKE-PARTS-...QQcmdZViewItem

    Do my eyes deceive me or is the head tube still attached to the fork? This looks like it was crashed and they sawed the headtube of the bike. Yet he still calls it GOOD condition.

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    The bike was definately crashed and the frame was definately destroyed either because of the crash or post-crash. That's definately the head-tube. The right shifter hood also shows damage as do scuffs on the rear derailleur. All of those parts have seen some amount of trauma. I would definately not claim them to be in good condition but maybe my standard of "good" differs from the accepted eBay standard. The thing I'd be most concerned with is the condition of the handlebar and fork.
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    I wouldn't touch that fork with a 10 foot pole ............

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    Well, to look at the positive side... The condition is described as "used" and the photos sure do depict the head tube cut off. Buyer beware.

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    Always send a question to the seller (owner) and ask for more detailed photos. I have only been burnt once on eBay and the seller eventually refunded my money. Yeah, "used" is a broad term indeed!

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    It makes you wonder if the seller realizes that he may be liable if the buyer crashes on these things. This is a misrepresentation for sure.

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    I e-mailed the seller and this is his reply "We understand that the headtube is still intact, it was not wrecked. The parts were installed on the headtube for easier carrying by the seller. Thanks" The head tube was used for carrying. WOW, that's a new one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1
    I e-mailed the seller and this is his reply "We understand that the headtube is still intact, it was not wrecked. The parts were installed on the headtube for easier carrying by the seller. Thanks" The head tube was used for carrying. WOW, that's a new one.
    Why not leave everything intact on the frame and give that away for free. Parts are more easily carried when they're attached to the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khuon
    Why not leave everything intact on the frame and give that away for free. Parts are more easily carried when they're attached to the frame.
    I agree, that's why something smells bad. For the most part all my ebay buying experiences have been good. This is one of the cases where the buyer could get hurt, literally, if they don't have any experience or pay close attention.

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    So someone went through the trouble to cut the head tube off just to make it easier to carry? Aw, how freakin' nice of them! Even though you could whack off the tube in 2 minutes with a Sawzall why pay shipping for the extra weight? The RD has more than a fair share of dings, though the brakes don't look too bad. Then again it is Campy stuff ........... (please do not start the Campy/Shimano debate, the aforementioned statement was meant to be humourous). Up to 41 USD with 4 days left, curious to keep an eye on it to see how high she goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capwater
    So someone went through the trouble to cut the head tube off just to make it easier to carry? Aw, how freakin' nice of them! Even though you could whack off the tube in 2 minutes with a Sawzall why pay shipping for the extra weight? The RD has more than a fair share of dings, though the brakes don't look too bad. Then again it is Campy stuff ........... (please do not start the Campy/Shimano debate, the aforementioned statement was meant to be humourous). Up to 41 USD with 4 days left, curious to keep an eye on it to see how high she goes.
    The fork makes me nervous. The cavalier attitude of the seller make me even more nervous.

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    Maybe he didn't have a tool(huge drift or one of those split-splayed drifts) to punch the cups out of the headtube?
    Hey,you should see all those "like new" POS salvage cars on Ebay!!What a piss off-you click on something you are interested in ,and find out it is an overpriced POS salvage vehicle with the bidders ID's hidden ,so you can't see the shill bidding.Ebay is really CS to let that go on,but car dealers really drive Ebay.Thanks.Charlie

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    Considering that:

    1. The head tube was obviously sawed off a bike.

    2. The cables are still hanging off the components.

    3. There is a "Warranty claim tag" attached to the BB.

    I would stay far away from this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supcom
    Considering that:

    1. The head tube was obviously sawed off a bike.

    2. The cables are still hanging off the components.

    3. There is a "Warranty claim tag" attached to the BB.

    I would stay far away from this stuff.
    I agree, Is the seller a consignment guy and doesn't know anything or is he just lying? I can't say for sure. His correspondence with me makes me think he has some knowledge on bikes.

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