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 01-14-03, 07:09 PM #1 MikeOK member Yo Thread Starter     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ozark Mountains Bikes: 2005 Yeti AS-R, 2017 Motobecane Le Champion CF Posts: 1,030 Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 138 Post(s) math question about gear ratio's Maybe some of you smart fellars out there can help me. I want to be able to calculate changes in gear ratios and wheel size. Maybe we can start like this (I am open to other suggestions too): d= forward distance traveled with one revolution of the BB w= tire size f= front chainring r= rear gear I will be building a SS bike with 24" wheels, but I want to be able to select my rings by comparing them to my mtn bike, and I already know all the above variables for that bike. This way I will know how a certain combo will feel before buying the hardware. TIA
 01-14-03, 07:19 PM #2 Michel Gagnon Year-round cyclist   Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montréal (Québec) Bikes: Posts: 3,023 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) I suggest you visit http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears For "Gear Units" select either "Gear Inches" (U.S. notation) or "Meters Development" (European Notation). With either choice, Crank length isn't important Regards,
 01-14-03, 07:20 PM #3 Grendel 1.64x10^6 posts     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spring, TX Bikes: Posts: 501 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) You can try the attached spreadsheet I put together to figure pedal cadence for given values of gears, wheel size and speed. This might help ya...
 01-14-03, 08:42 PM #4 MikeOK member Yo Thread Starter     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ozark Mountains Bikes: 2005 Yeti AS-R, 2017 Motobecane Le Champion CF Posts: 1,030 Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 138 Post(s) Thanks. I don't know why i didn't think of using excel, I think I can mod your file grendell, then use mgagnonlv's link to make sure I did it right...
 01-14-03, 09:07 PM #5 Grendel 1.64x10^6 posts     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spring, TX Bikes: Posts: 501 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) It took me a while to remember where I got all the numbers from -- I should comment my work better. Anyway, the part that might be a little confusing is the hidden column 'E'; the value in E4 is the number of rotations of the wheel at 1 mile per hour in one minute, since I was solving for RPM values (cadence, remember?). Basically what you are wanting to do is calculate wheel circumference (diameter * PI) then figure out how many times the wheel will turn for each rotation of the crank ((chainring tooth count) / (cassette sprocket tooth count)) and the rest kind of goes from there. I was trying to solve a different problem, kinda, but the math is pretty much the same.
 01-14-03, 09:15 PM #6 MikeOK member Yo Thread Starter     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ozark Mountains Bikes: 2005 Yeti AS-R, 2017 Motobecane Le Champion CF Posts: 1,030 Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 138 Post(s) Ahaa- column E, that's where you hid that. My brain is tired so I copied it onto my laptop, will look at it more tomorrow.
 01-15-03, 08:15 AM #7 D*Alex Banned   Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: upstate New York Bikes: Posts: 1,688 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) OK, let me nit-pick a bit here...... Firstly, using 26" as a true diameter for a 26" wheel is usually not true. As an example, take a "26 inch" MTB wheel, one with 1.95" tyres. In that case, the rim diameter is 559mm, and the profile height is 47mm, according to the ERTRO number on the sidewall. Using the usual method of estimating true diameter {rim diam + 2*profile**, you get 559mm+(2*47)=653mm. Dividing that by the conversion of 25.4 mm/inch, you get a diameter of 25.74", a 1.2% error. I have made a small change to your spreadsheet to reflect this. __________________ Je vais à vélo, donc je suis!
 01-15-03, 11:21 AM #8 Bandit Senior Member   Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fremont, Calif. Bikes: Posts: 147 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) here's my highly sophisticated formula: is it hard to pedal? choose and easier gear. are you spinning too fast? choose a harder gear. repeat.
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 Originally posted by mgagnonlv I suggest you visit http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears For "Gear Units" select either "Gear Inches" (U.S. notation) or "Meters Development" (European Notation). With either choice, Crank length isn't important
1) Yes, the U.S. and metric notations differ not only by unit conversions (2.54000 cm / inch, etc.), but also by the factor of pi built into the metric units, which do actually tell you how far you travel per pedal revolution. In contrast, the U.S. system tells you how your gearing compares to that of a fixed-gear penny-farthing bicycle with a drive wheel of a given diameter.

2) Although crank length has nothing to do with gear ratio and distance per pedal revolution, it directly affects how much force you must apply on the pedals, and how far your feet move per pedal revolution. This is why Sheldon likes the concept of "gain ratio," which incorporates crank length, wheel diameter, and gear tooth ratio.
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 01-16-03, 01:41 PM #10 50mileman Junior Member   Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London, Ontario - Canada Bikes: Posts: 19 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) Mike - What is the intended purpose of this bike ? - 24" wheels - probably MTB, offroad or on ? If its a single speed, then you want to go 2:1 ratio for offroad, say a 34 front and 17 rear - depending if your a strong rider or not and the trails you will be riding - hilly or flat. If your riding on the road start with a 44/17 and see if its too easy to get rolling or not. Remember that this is all dependant on tire type, terrain, and of course your tire diameter - actual measured diameter as mounted on the rim. The chainring sizes above should give you a good place to start regaurdless of wheel size. Cheers.
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 Originally posted by 50mileman Mike - What is the intended purpose of this bike ? - 24" wheels -
It's for a BMX project I'm starting after this one is finished, something to ride at the skate park with my kid. I might look into doing disc brakes, at least on the back. Really something to play on around the house and to take to the park...