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    This is from Sheldon Browns site
    In practicality it should work:
    Campagnolo/Shimano 8-speed cassettes have different spacing , so you can't generally get good indexing using a Campagnolo 8-speed wheel with a Shimano shift system or vice versa.

    With 7-, 9- and 10-speed systems, the sprocket spacing between brands is close enough that it rarely causes any difficulty in practice.

    For perfect matching, you might substitute different spacers or use a Jtek Shift Mate pulley adaptor.

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    thanks for reply

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    Will the wheels from a Camaro fit on a Mustang?

    If you re-drill the holes or use adapter plates they will.

    Buy spacers like the guy with errors on his website suggests. A week later you'll be posting a new thread titled: "Why wont bike shift right? Your intro sentence will be, "Hi, I bought taiwann spacers for a Campy cassette and it wont shift. I have Shimano STI shifters with an Sram rear derailleur and a whipperman chain. Whats wrong? I really dont have alot of money to replace parts so I hope its only the cable."

    Personaly, I'd spring for a Shimano cassette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim
    Will the wheels from a Camaro fit on a Mustang?
    Bad analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimJ
    Bad analogy.

    - the analogy police

    And why would that be?
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    Whether or not wheels from a mustang would fit on a camaro or vice versa, the wheels are not proprietary and what's at issue is the difference in proprietary systems. voila! ze analogy police!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimJ
    Whether or not wheels from a mustang would fit on a camaro or vice versa, the wheels are not proprietary and what's at issue is the difference in proprietary systems. voila! ze analogy police!
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenal0
    This is from Sheldon Browns site
    In practicality it should work:
    Campagnolo/Shimano 8-speed cassettes have different spacing , so you can't generally get good indexing using a Campagnolo 8-speed wheel with a Shimano shift system or vice versa.

    With 7-, 9- and 10-speed systems, the sprocket spacing between brands is close enough that it rarely causes any difficulty in practice.

    For perfect matching, you might substitute different spacers or use a Jtek Shift Mate pulley adaptor.

    Kenal0
    What kind of setup do you have? It might be helpful if you explained all the components now rather than after you pull the trigger. Good luck.

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    I have Campy 10 speed shifters a Campy rd, a Campy chain, and a Dura-Ace cassette. The shifting is amazing; smooth as silk! SB did not mislead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimJ
    Whether or not wheels from a mustang would fit on a camaro or vice versa, the wheels are not proprietary and what's at issue is the difference in proprietary systems. voila! ze analogy police!

    Mustangs has 4-lug wheels and 4-lug hubs versus the 5-lug rims and hubs on camaro therefore......
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim
    Mustangs has 4-lug wheels and 4-lug hubs versus the 5-lug rims and hubs on camaro therefore......
    And the Mustangs that have 5 lug wheels have a different bolt spacing from Camaros, so yes, they all are proprietary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1
    What kind of setup do you have? It might be helpful if you explained all the components now rather than after you pull the trigger.
    Dura-Ace 9 speed shifters, and I could use either a 9 or 10 speed rear derailleur.
    Last edited by Disco Stu; 08-15-06 at 08:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim
    Personaly, I'd spring for a Shimano cassette.
    the hub is Campag
    Last edited by Disco Stu; 08-15-06 at 08:43 AM.

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    Proprietary means a closed system. If 5 bolt wheels with X spacing only fit a camaro and are only made to fit on a camaro and only made by GM, then the camaro has a proprietary wheel system. If 5 bolt wheels of X spacing are used on any other cars, then it's not. I don't think it's the case but if all GM made cars used only X, Y and Z wheels and no other manufacturer used those specs, you could argue it's proprietary, but at the same time you can go down to pep boys and buy wheels to fit on a GM that GM didn't make. Wheels aren't part of a closed system that's why they're not proprietary. Still a bad analogy. A better analogy would be something in the engine, something unique to the camaro or at least to Chevy or GM. Maybe the clutch plate. "Can the clutch plate of a camaro fit in a mustang?" Much better.

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    according SB's spacing chart, there's slightly less difference between the 2 brands in 10sp than 9 speed. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-spacing.html

    by my crude calculations, the overall width of a
    Shimano 9 speed cassette (center of each outer cog), is 34.72mm,
    and the Campag 9 sp is 36.4mm. It may work, but that bothers me.
    There are plenty of other wheels out there with Shimano hubs, so.....

    thanks for the replies,

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    Buy spacers like the guy with errors on his website suggests.
    Are you referring to Sheldon Brown's website??? If so, wash your mouth out with soap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EGreen
    I have Campy 10 speed shifters a Campy rd, a Campy chain, and a Dura-Ace cassette. The shifting is amazing; smooth as silk! SB did not mislead.
    If you think that's nice, try a Set of Campy wheels and cassette. My Daytona 10sp with Zondas and a Centaur cassette shifts amazingly smooth. I couldn't be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1
    If you think that's nice, try a Set of Campy wheels and cassette. My Daytona 10sp with Zondas and a Centaur cassette shifts amazingly smooth. I couldn't be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowandsteady
    Are you referring to Sheldon Brown's website??? If so, wash your mouth out with soap!

    You better believe it. There are lots off errors and generalized information on there. Unfortunately too many people take his website as gospel. I'm not saying I havent found some usefull information there but theres alot of very vague and incorrect info there.

    I've conversed with many of the older mechanics on this site and they all agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EGreen
    I have Campy 10 speed shifters a Campy rd, a Campy chain, and a Dura-Ace cassette. The shifting is amazing; smooth as silk! SB did not mislead.
    I've done this before. Works very well together. FWI have been told, the spacing in C10 shifting/der. is the same as S9 cassettes.

    I've been eyeing switching to C10 Ergos/rear der. and leaving the rest of my S9 drivetrain intact. No style points, but I'll get the best of both worlds: easily available (inexpensive) cassettes and chains plus Ergo shifting!

    Woot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim
    You better believe it. There are lots off errors and generalized information on there. Unfortunately too many people take his website as gospel. I'm not saying I havent found some usefull information there but theres alot of very vague and incorrect info there.

    I've conversed with many of the older mechanics on this site and they all agree.
    I thought I was the only one having issues with that site. There's certainly good stuff there, but I've been around the block once or twice and the glaring omissions and inaccuracies got me.

    Its been awhile since I've been back, so no, I don't remember specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGreen
    I have Campy 10 speed shifters a Campy rd, a Campy chain, and a Dura-Ace cassette. The shifting is amazing; smooth as silk! SB did not mislead.
    Planning on doing something simular and wondered if anyone had any success with something like:
    basically 9sp campy groupset but with a 9sp shimano HG cassette

    I had just bought a shimano rear wheel and HG cassette wen i decided to upgrade and don't really wanna have to change it because it would mean I can spend more on a frame
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    I'm running Campy Chorus Ergo 10 speed brifters with 9 speed shimano derailer, and 9 speed shimano cassette. Shifts better than when I had full DA on the bike. Jtek Shiftmate is a cool little gadget that changes the amount of pull the cable has to match Campy and Shimano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim
    You better believe it. There are lots off errors and generalized information on there. Unfortunately too many people take his website as gospel. I'm not saying I havent found some usefull information there but theres alot of very vague and incorrect info there.
    True. With all due respect, there are some errors and simply wrong information on his site, particularly in the Raleigh 3-speed sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenal0
    This is from Sheldon Browns site
    In practicality it should work:
    Campagnolo/Shimano 8-speed cassettes have different spacing , so you can't generally get good indexing using a Campagnolo 8-speed wheel with a Shimano shift system or vice versa.

    With 7-, 9- and 10-speed systems, the sprocket spacing between brands is close enough that it rarely causes any difficulty in practice.

    For perfect matching, you might substitute different spacers or use a Jtek Shift Mate pulley adaptor.

    Kenal0
    Until 9 speed, the differences are too great to work, in all practicality. 9 speed is the ONLY spacing where it is acceptable...and not something that you would probably want to do as a permanent thing, but it's close enough if you needed something quick in a pinch. (i.e. on a long tour, or whatnot)

    With 10 speed the spacing all changed all over again. For instance, a Campy 10 speed cassette with a Shimano 10 speed shifter/drivetrain will only be useable through 8 speeds...the ninth will sometimes work, and you'll never reach the tenth.

    Cassettes aren't THAT expensive...it's probably worth it to get a new one.
    Good night...and good luck

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