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Old 08-16-06, 01:11 AM   #1
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Basso Headset Problems

I'm trying to overhaul the headset on an earlier 90's Basso I purchased last month. I was skeptical as to whether I could pull it off, and I was right, I can't! I loosened the stem bolt, tapped it with a hammer and then proceeded to unscrew the top lock nut. I prepared for the fork to fall, but it never did. I've unscrewed everything, but the fork and headset are fused together. Any ideas on how to get these apart or should I just give up, clean what I can and then screw everything back together?
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Old 08-16-06, 05:09 AM   #2
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tap the top of the steerer a little harder.

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hold on, before you go beating on your fork, did you unscrew the top lock nut and the lower lock nut? if its threaded there should be two, one on top of anouther. when that comes off, the fork should just fall out. if it does, spray inside the fork/headset area with wd 40, which is a solvent, let it sit a while, 20 minutes maybe, then put a block of wood on the top of the fork and hit that. hard! if that doesnt work, take it to a shop
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hold on, before you go beating on your fork, did you unscrew the top lock nut and the lower lock nut?
Hold on....

1. I didn't advise the OP to "go beating" on his fork. I said "tap" it a "little harder".

2. I wouldn't have even advised that had the OP not said that he had already "unscrewed everything".

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I'm trying to overhaul the headset on an earlier 90's Basso I purchased last month. I was skeptical as to whether I could pull it off, and I was right, I can't! I loosened the stem bolt, tapped it with a hammer and then proceeded to unscrew the top lock nut. I prepared for the fork to fall, but it never did. I've unscrewed everything, but the fork and headset are fused together. Any ideas on how to get these apart or should I just give up, clean what I can and then screw everything back together?
Wait a second, something sounds really wrong here. You've taken the stem and bars out of the fork tube, you've completely unscrewed and taken off the threaded lock ring, the washer and the threaded cup and the fork still does not come out?

Does not make sense.
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he only explicitly stated that he "loosened the stem bolt, tapped it with a hammer and then proceeded to unscrew the top lock nut. I prepared for the fork to fall, but it never did." sometimes lamps dont work cause they arnt plugged in, knowhatimsaying? thats all, not a bash on bob, unless he choses to take it that way.
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he only explicitly stated that he "loosened the stem bolt, tapped it with a hammer and then proceeded to unscrew the top lock nut. I prepared for the fork to fall, but it never did." sometimes lamps dont work cause they arnt plugged in, knowhatimsaying? thats all, not a bash on bob, unless he choses to take it that way.
He explicitly stated: "I've unscrewed everything....". [5th sentence, 3rd line.]

Now, maybe he actually didn't unscrew everything. But according to him, he did.

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if he didnt know the lower section of the lock nut was threaded, then in his mind, "unscrewed everything"
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if he didnt know the lower section of the lock nut was threaded, then in his mind, "unscrewed everything"
IF my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

He said he unscrewed everything.

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Thanks for the replies. I have unscrewed everything, I tried to post pictures, but couldn't do it. I may have my gf post them as she somehow can post pictures. The problem is the stem never came out! It's fused to the fork, or at least that is my interpertation. If I'm reading your responses correctly, I need to pry the stem out by tapping (banging) it first to loosen it up? Thanks again.
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Thanks for the replies. I have unscrewed everything, I tried to post pictures, but couldn't do it. I may have my gf post them as she somehow can post pictures. The problem is the stem never came out! It's fused to the fork, or at least that is my interpertation. If I'm reading your responses correctly, I need to pry the stem out by tapping (banging) it first to loosen it up? Thanks again.
Parktool has step-by-step instructions:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=127

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Thanks for the replies. I have unscrewed everything, I tried to post pictures, but couldn't do it. I may have my gf post them as she somehow can post pictures. The problem is the stem never came out! It's fused to the fork, or at least that is my interpertation. If I'm reading your responses correctly, I need to pry the stem out by tapping (banging) it first to loosen it up? Thanks again.
Ok, the stem is not out of the fork, thats your problem. First, loosen the stem bolt, but don't take it all the way out. The bolt should go up as you loosen it. Once the bolt is about 1 cm above the stem, spank it with a hammer, the stem bolt should go back down into the stem and now be completely loose in the stem.

Hold the wheel between your legs and turn the bars to loosen the stem, then pull up and the stem and bars should come out of the fork. If the stem is stuck, spray it with wd 40, pb blaster. try again. Last resort, use some high stregnth ammonia (nasty stuff).

Now unthread everything at the top of the fork and it should come right out.
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bobby lex is a charmless ****. i'm sure his aunt has at least one penis. i'll bet he loves tight fitting spandex and riding without a saddle.
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Old 08-17-06, 01:37 AM   #14
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Hey All. On behalf of BostonWest, here are pics of the problem headset. . .
BF-Basso 223.jpg
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Well I tried everyone's advice, but the stem is not going anywhere. I guess it is off to the lbs with my tail between my legs.
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This has to be one of the more entertaining threads. If possible, I believe fists would have been thrown in an attempt to better define "is".

No luck on the stem bolt smackdown? You did drip some type of penetrating oil at the top of the steerer? It does look a little cruddy but not woefully bad.

One other thing to try is to place a piece of wood on top of the stem (to protect it). I also normally do this with the wheel off and the dropouts setting square on the ground. Screw the headset back onto the steerer but it does not need to tightend all the way down, it is more to keep the headset from rattling around and also to protect the starter threads on top of the steerer. Wack the stem straight down, same direction as you did for the stem bolt. Of course the idea is to break the bond between the stem and the steerer. Only whack it as hard as you are comfortable with. Sometimes it just gives way and drives down harder than you were expecting onto the headset. I like this method because your not torquing your wheels and forks with the twisiting. If you are really serious about doing this method, you can jury rig a support under the fork crown so that the forces do not transmit to the forks and dropouts. Everything is transmitted to your bottom race.

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