Stupid @#($*&@#$ wheel!!!
Okay, so this morning my Mavic MA3 rear rim cracked at a spoke eyelet. This wheel has been nothing but trouble, 8 or so broken spokes, had to retension it a couple of months ago (which I thought had solved the problems for good), now it's done for...
So, I need to figure out a cheap but tough replacement wheelset. I'm going to replace the front wheel as well because I've heard such bad reports about the MA3s from others as well. I'm trying to keep the total price low. I'm also trying to avoid Mavic in general!!! * 36H Alex Adventurer rims ($46/pair) with Shimano Deore M475 disc hubs ($42/pair) + about $40 for spokes - I could upgrade to LX non-disc hubs for about $20 more... any thoughts on that?? * 36H Alex DM18 rims ($40/pair) with Shimano Deore M475 disc hubs ($42/pair) - The DM18 rims are heavier but cheaper than the Adventurers... how do they compare? * Pre-built 36H Sun CR18 rims with Shimano Alivio 8/9 speed hubs (only $80 total) - Claimed to be hand built by the seller: http://shop.greatdealsonbikes.com/me...tegory_Code=HY * Pre-built Sun CR18 rims with 32H Deore non-disc hubs and DT spokes ($120/pair) * Pre-built Sun WTB XC rims with 32H Deore non-disc hubs and DT spokes ($120/pair) Any thoughts on what I should choose, or where I should choose to spend more money? Any reason *not* to use disc hubs? I know they add a bit of dish to the front wheel, but that doesn't seem to be a huge issue. The $80 Sun CR18 with Alivio hubs seems to be an awfully good deal, but I dunno about those cheap hubs. Then again, I've never had any problems with cheap hubs. Hmm... |
Ah, yes. You've worried about this coming for awhile now, eh?
I take it this is for your "touring" (relatively-speaking) bike. If your bike has 135mm-spaced dropouts (I assume you do, since all the hubs you mentioned are MTB hubs), I'd just go for the CR18/Alivio wheelset. You know enough to tension them up perfectly, and the Alivio hubs will be fine if you take care of them. Does your frame have disc attachments? I don't see much purpose in disc brakes except on mountain bikes used in muddy conditions. |
Sun seems to be where Mavic would like to be from my reading of various lists. Generally, you shouldn't go wrong with the CR18s, and if you can go with the Deore over Alivio, then do so.
I have had a less than satisfactory experience with Alex rims. |
Originally Posted by timcupery
Ah, yes. You've worried about this coming for awhile now, eh?
I take it this is for your "touring" (relatively-speaking) bike. If your bike has 135mm-spaced dropouts (I assume you do, since all the hubs you mentioned are MTB hubs), I'd just go for the CR18/Alivio wheelset. You know enough to tension them up perfectly, and the Alivio hubs will be fine if you take care of them. Does your frame have disc attachments? I don't see much purpose in disc brakes except on mountain bikes used in muddy conditions. I'm planning to spread the dropouts to 135 mm, it's lugged steel so no big issues there. I don't have disc attachments, but I figure since the hubs are only about $5 extra, it might be worth it for future-compatibility. Then again, that may just be silly. |
Originally Posted by moxfyre
I could upgrade to LX non-disc hubs for about $20 more... any thoughts on that??
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Sun seems to be where Mavic would like to be from my reading of various lists. Generally, you shouldn't go wrong with the CR18s, and if you can go with the Deore over Alivio, then do so.
I have had a less than satisfactory experience with Alex rims. |
Could you go with CR18's and road-spaced rear hub?
Or, take a couple washers out of the non-drive-side axle of the MTB hub and redish the wheel slightly, with hub spacing at 132mm or so. I don't think disc is worth it because I don't see them as being worth it on a road bike, in principle. |
Originally Posted by well biked
but hauling around a disc hub without disc brakes is just hauling dead, useless weight-
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you would need to add some way to attach the disc brake calipers, probably welded (brazed) and that would require some paint touch-up. |
Originally Posted by timcupery
Could you go with CR18's and road-spaced rear hub?
Or, take a couple washers out of the non-drive-side axle of the MTB hub and redish the wheel slightly, with hub spacing at 132mm or so. I don't think disc is worth it because I don't see them as being worth it on a road bike, in principle. |
Originally Posted by Dr.Deltron
+1
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you would need to add some way to attach the disc brake calipers, probably welded (brazed) and that would require some paint touch-up. |
Lemme throw another rim into the mix: Sun Rhyno Lite. They're slightly more expensive than Sun CR18s, and lighter. How do they compare in toughness?
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Rhyno Lite's are very tough but they weigh more than CR-18's. 565g vs. 484g in 700c size. They're 5mm wider too so that might limit your tire choices.
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Originally Posted by moxfyre
Lemme throw another rim into the mix: Sun Rhyno Lite. They're slightly more expensive than Sun CR18s, and lighter. How do they compare in toughness?
36-hole CR-18 should be plenty durable, and I was also under the impression that the Rhyno Lite was heavier than the CR-18. Unless you're building a performance-touring wheelset, I'd just go with the CR-18 + Alivio, and I think they'll be plenty durable and you can't beat the price. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Rhyno Lite's are very tough but they weigh more than CR-18's. 565g vs. 484g in 700c size. They're 5mm wider too so that might limit your tire choices.
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Originally Posted by timcupery
Unless you're building a performance-touring wheelset, I'd just go with the CR-18 + Alivio, and I think they'll be plenty durable and you can't beat the price.
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Originally Posted by well biked
I agree. As Retro Grouch said, the Rhyno-Lites are heavier and wider. In 700c, I imagine they're used mostly on 29" mountain bikes, as the 26" Rhynos are good, tough rims for mountain biking.......And you probably already know this, but despite what the seller says about the wheels being "handbuilt", I wouldn't be surprised if the wheels need truing right out of the box, maybe even a complete re-tensioning. But heck, at that price, it's still a deal-
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Originally Posted by timcupery
Plus disc brakes change up the force requirements on forks, a lot. Typical fork blades bear very little bending force because that's all handled by the brakes where they attach higher up. Forks for disc brakes need to be designed differently, so you can't just braze attachments onto any steel fork.
Disc brakes with the braking-surface closer to the axle results in a shorter moment. However, in order to generate the same braking-force and torque, they have to apply a much larger clamping force at the disc. |
Originally Posted by moxfyre
Thanks, Rowan. I've gotten the same good vibe about the CR18s. What were your issues with the Alex rims? Quality control in terms of roundness and trueness, or cracking, or what?
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Out of true and round. It was extraordinary, but I kept breaking spokes. Even after replacing them all with good ones. And even after "retiring" it by putting it on my FG with no dish -- a broken spoke within 100km. No other wheel I have built has caused as much grief. They were standard fit on the Fuji, and I have subsequently read of several other owners of later Touring models suffering similar spoke breakages.
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I've actually had zero problems with Alex rims (except one that taco'd after I went straight into a stop sign), but the CR18s with Alivio hubs sound like a good deal, even if you need to do a little work on them.
Also, if you end up getting 135mm spaced hubs, you probably don't need to actually cold set the frame or anything like that...it's pretty easy to flex the dropouts apart by 5mm. It seems like it's a choice between an $80 wheelset you might have to work on versus a $120 wheelset that you built yourself and the strength of which you are confident in. |
Originally Posted by reve_etrange
I've actually had zero problems with Alex rims (except one that taco'd after I went straight into a stop sign), but the CR18s with Alivio hubs sound like a good deal, even if you need to do a little work on them.
Also, if you end up getting 135mm spaced hubs, you probably don't need to actually cold set the frame or anything like that...it's pretty easy to flex the dropouts apart by 5mm. It seems like it's a choice between an $80 wheelset you might have to work on versus a $120 wheelset that you built yourself and the strength of which you are confident in.
Originally Posted by reve_etrange
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Originally Posted by moxfyre
Yeah, the thing is my frame is currently at 126 mm and I'm running 130 mm hubs, so I think I'll have to spread it for 135. I'll probably try to spread to 132 so that I can run either 130s or 135s easily.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Deltron
You should have the dropouts aligned when you do the spreading, otherwise you'll break axles.
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Why don't "you" just replace the rims on your current set of wheels? Buy the CR18 rims, align them correctly with the MA3's and tape them together, switch the spokes over (Use new nipples), and true/dish/tension (Or have a shop do it). Inexpensive, good result, and no spreading/aligning the drop-outs.
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Originally Posted by gruppo
Why don't "you" just replace the rims on your current set of wheels? Buy the CR18 rims, align them correctly with the MA3's and tape them together, switch the spokes over (Use new nipples), and true/dish/tension (Or have a shop do it). Inexpensive, good result, and no spreading/aligning the drop-outs.
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