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    New bike assy.

    I just got back into biking after a very long medical induced layoff. I had several surgeries for colon cancer and have been unable to do much of anything over the better part of 2 years.
    I decided that I want to build me a bike from the ground up to celebrate my new "lease on life".
    I picked up a frame from craigs list and have ordered a bunch of parts and am almost complete with all the parts ordering and am finding myself with some questions.
    First I'd like to know about cables. Are all cable packages the same? I see on aebike.com that I can get a cable kit for $20.00 but I see on nashbar.com that I can order seperate cables for 3 bucks each. Will any cable work?
    Second question is about headsets. My bike is going to use a 1" threaded. I have heard about chasing and facing but have no idea what this means. I've also read about headset presses, but isn't that just for the nonthreaded? Can I put the headset on by muself? I plan on having a bikeshop install my BB and crank but I think I can put the rest of it together myself.
    My last question is about the assembly in general. Can anyone point me to a website that has detailed info for bike assembly other than park tool?
    Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncorrect
    I just got back into biking after a very long medical induced layoff. I had several surgeries for colon cancer and have been unable to do much of anything over the better part of 2 years.
    I decided that I want to build me a bike from the ground up to celebrate my new "lease on life".
    I picked up a frame from craigs list and have ordered a bunch of parts and am almost complete with all the parts ordering and am finding myself with some questions.
    First I'd like to know about cables. Are all cable packages the same? I see on aebike.com that I can get a cable kit for $20.00 but I see on nashbar.com that I can order seperate cables for 3 bucks each. Will any cable work?
    Second question is about headsets. My bike is going to use a 1" threaded. I have heard about chasing and facing but have no idea what this means. I've also read about headset presses, but isn't that just for the nonthreaded? Can I put the headset on by muself? I plan on having a bikeshop install my BB and crank but I think I can put the rest of it together myself.
    My last question is about the assembly in general. Can anyone point me to a website that has detailed info for bike assembly other than park tool?
    Thanks guys
    Glad to hear you're going to be getting back into riding.

    1) As far as cables go, I would think the 20$ set you're talking about includes cables, housing , ferrules, the whole shebang. These still have to be trimmed and fitted for your application though. The $3 each ones are most likely the cables (inner wires) only. What derailleurs and shifters are you using? If they are new then they will come complete. If you just have the derailleurs with no housing or cables, its not that hard to buy a cable cutter (see current thread on this subject), some derailleur and brake inner wires, some wound brake housing and compressionless derailleur housing from the bikeshop. You can purchase quantities of both types of housing online then have extra for the future, or just buy what you need from the LBS - your choice. For inner wires you might want to spec stainless since they are slipperier and won't rust even if you do ride in a flood.
    2) Threaded headset install: probably have the LBS do it. The chasing/facing function you mention is more for a new steel frame and fork. If the previous owner had a reasonably OK headset/fork interface then, either repack the old headset or like I said have the LBS put a nice threaded one in there. They have the press, the cup and fork race removers and installers that are required. All these tools add up to several hundred dollars so unless you're also getting a new lease on life as a semi-pro bike mechanic, just leave that to them.
    3) Not sure. Probably Park Tool is best. You might purchase one of Leonard Zinn's excellently illustrated books: either "Zinn and the Art of Mountain bike Maintenence" or Zinn and the Art of Road Bike Maintenence". These are throwbacks to the old VW Bug repair for the compleat idiot books that I remember back in the 70's. Really great illustrations that demystify a complex task.
    Post some pics here, and keep the forum updated...

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    Well done mate. Congratulations on the "new lease of life".

    www.sheldonbrown.com/ Will give you lotts of info about bike parts e.t.c The biggest problem I find is making sure I am buying compatble parts rather than the actual assembly. Now i try to use sheldon's site to give me an idea of the correct parts. It does have some parts on assaembaly though.

    Headset press. I use a selection of washers, some rubber and some threaded bar to press each cup in one at a time. Works fine for me someone will be able to post a link to a simlar set up that someone put on the web.

    Chasing and facing is to do with cleaning up the threads on something (Chasing) like the bottom bracket or headset and facing it to do with making sure the points of contact of things like where the headset cups press into are round / the correct dimaiter and at the correct angle. You would have to get a bike shop to do this as the tools are very expensive. I have built up lotts of bikes but have never done this. Maybe I have been lucky that the threads where not damaged e.t.c but I think it mainly needs to be done after a frame has been powder coated as lots of paint gets into the threads (I may be wrong here correct me if I am). I think if you can fit a headset yourself you could fit the bb and cranks as well.

    Cables. I personaly thing unless you are going for a high end setup standard cables are fine. I think that the expensive ones offer slightly lower friction and waigh 0.0021364 g less.
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    yeah, my derailleur and shifters are going to be new
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=RD2502
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=LD2690

    I guess I should have stated one thing. The fork that came with the frame already has cups on it and they seem to be in great condition. I bought the fork and frame off craigslist. The guy I got them from had the frame prepped and painted as well as the fork and they look really good. I checked the parts out and they seem alright. The cups don't seem to have any problems either and he plugged up the BB area before painting. This guy seemed to know what he was doing.

    So my new shifters and derailleur should come with cables? That's great! Will save me from having to order ssomething I don't need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncorrect
    yeah, my derailleur and shifters are going to be new
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=RD2502
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=LD2690

    I guess I should have stated one thing. The fork that came with the frame already has cups on it and they seem to be in great condition. I bought the fork and frame off craigslist. The guy I got them from had the frame prepped and painted as well as the fork and they look really good. I checked the parts out and they seem alright. The cups don't seem to have any problems either and he plugged up the BB area before painting. This guy seemed to know what he was doing.

    So my new shifters and derailleur should come with cables? That's great! Will save me from having to order ssomething I don't need.
    Interesting choice on derailleurs and shifters. I have no experience with SRAM other than the (excellent) PC-68 chains that I use. I guess you'll have to see what comes in the box when you recieve the item. I know Shimano parts come with everything you need usually when you buy new like that.
    OK so you bikes have good condition cups - what brand are they? Does the fork have the lower fork race installed? Do you have the bearings? Do yo have the adustable upper cup, spacers, lock washer and locknut? If you do, then just inspect for damage, and clean and re-pack the bearings and you're good to go. If you only have the fixed cups in the frame, you'll most likely neet to have those knocked out then have the LBS give you a complete new one. That's the cheapest route unless you're talking some kind of 1950's Italian museum piece .
    I'm a little suspicious now of the repaint though. A quality repaint usually involves having EVERYTHING removed. Even a good Rustoleum spraypaint job involves removing all the parts. What brand of frame are you talking about and how much did you pay? Inquiring minds want to know.

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    It's a mountain bike frame from the 90's, a realeigh, not sure of the model number though.
    All I got from him was frame and fork. I thought I could just buy a 1" threaded headset and use it with the existing cups. Am I assuming wrong here? I haven't ordered the headset yet, I was just going to get the sealed headset that nashbar has to offer for 15 bucks or so.
    I'm chosing low price parts from companies that I see as reputable. I just plan on riding around town in this thing and not doing any mountain bike riding, just asphalt.
    He also gave me an ISIS crank with chainrings that was fairly new. I paid $25.00 for it all. The guy paints cars and has a paint booth at his house, he is the one that painted the bike frame.
    I'm not getting in over my head here am I? I just thought it would be neat to build my own bike, plus a good learning experience for future upgrades and repairs.

    EDIT:
    I also got the stem from him as well.
    Maybe I'm getting confused on what a cup and face are. It has the part already on the fork that the bearings rest on. One is turned opposite of the other. Does that make sense?
    Last edited by uncorrect; 12-08-06 at 09:20 AM.

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    Okay, I just looked it up, it is the race that is alread on the fork. The other is on the frame <- forgot to point that out,.

    It seems that if I would have done some more googling I could have answered my own question here, for the most part.
    I found this
    http://www.exchangecycletours.org/He...lation-Web.htm
    which is making this all make sense to me now.

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    Yeah it makes sense, but if you buy the Nashbar threaded headset, the chance that you could re-use the parts on your Raleigh aren't good. A substandard headset installation is a bad move, you don't want to risk the thing not being perfect or at least very good. We've all ridden with crappy headsets and if you don't wipe out because of it, at the very least your front end tracks weird. Pay the $25 or so for labor and get it done right. You'll be out some cash but your project bike will be off to a better start. And since you're buying the labor at the shop - go ahead and buy the headset there as well. 1" threaded headsets used to be the standard and a lot of shops have good old inventory waiting in the wings. Go crazy and put a sweet Deore XT on there. Even the basic chrome steel Tange for like $12.99 gets the job done and looks classy too.

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    Looks like I'll probably be taking your advice, I didn't think there was that much of a big deal about headsets. The other things look easy enough though. I was going to have the shop install the crank for me anyhow so I'll just add the headset onto the list of things for them.
    Thanks for the info, you probably just saved me some future headaches.

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    well I just called the bike shop, they said they have a headset for me at 15 bucks and will install it for an additional 25, plus install my bb and crank for 10 more.
    not a bad price for all this
    thanks for your help

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncorrect
    well I just called the bike shop, they said they have a headset for me at 15 bucks and will install it for an additional 25, plus install my bb and crank for 10 more.
    not a bad price for all this
    thanks for your help
    Good choice, you're setting yourself up for a WIN-WIN situation. You help out the bike shop, they help you, you have peace of mind, and have a relationship with the mechanic already for future issues that will inevitably crop up.

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    Parks Big Blue Book is an excellent resource for your task. Park Tool web site is also excellent. I have found the book most useful but the same stuff in on the web. If you have wi-fi and a portable computer to go to in your work area, the expense of the book might be saved.

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