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    Brooks Saddle Springs Question

    I've done several searches but I can't find a recent thread that concerned replacing the springs in a Brooks Champion Flyer with softer ones. A poster reported replacing his springs with those from another model of Brooks saddle to get more compliance, and I'd like to do the same, but I can't remember the model from which he got the replacements. I also have a Brooks B-67 which uses the identical springs as the Flyer, except they're chromed. The wire diameter, coil diameter and number of coils match exactly, so that's not a solution. Can anyone help me out here?

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    Wallbike.com sells springs. Here's the link to the page: http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/partsandaccessories.html
    I'd send an email to Wallbike with your question and see what they recommend. Good luck.

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    Thanks, Here and There!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Pringle
    I've done several searches but I can't find a recent thread that concerned replacing the springs in a Brooks Champion Flyer with softer ones. A poster reported replacing his springs with those from another model of Brooks saddle to get more compliance, and I'd like to do the same, but I can't remember the model from which he got the replacements. I also have a Brooks B-67 which uses the identical springs as the Flyer, except they're chromed. The wire diameter, coil diameter and number of coils match exactly, so that's not a solution. Can anyone help me out here?

    Regards,
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    The OP might have been me. I replaced the springs on one of my B67's with those off an old B73. The diameter is .092" on the B67 and .084" on the B73. More supple but no rocking at all. I checked the WallBike inventory offering for a second set, but it seems that Brooks have now standardized the diameters at .092". Unfortunate.

    As a result, I will confess to stealing the springs off a newer Huffy comfort saddle and I've installed them on the other B67. I thought they would be real rockers, being thinner, but actually they work well, and are extremely forgiving. I use both saddles for very long rides - out to 100 miles occasionally. No problems.

    The Brooks replacement springs are about $18+ s&h. The whole Huffy costs about $11.95. I plan on buying a Flyer soon, and I'll do the same to it.

    EDIT: I should add this afterthought:
    If the idea of using Huffy springs is totally repugnant, I must say that I can't recommend those off a Specialized or other "brand name" because they are simply not effective. Too tough. Some of those others are in my pile of failed saddle experiments. Just get a wide Huffy seat and strip it for the springs. You may have to widen the loop about .030" to get them over the Brooks post. Just tap a piece of appropriate-size metal dowel thru the loop and they'll open up enough. Then again, they are Huffy, so they might slip right on...
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    JCM,

    That's exactly the information I was seeking. Thanks for (re-)posting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Pringle
    JCM,

    That's exactly the information I was seeking. Thanks for (re-)posting!

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    You're welcome.

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    In case anyone's still interested in this topic (as I was, due to the ridiculously stiff Brooks springs), I'll share my experience.

    I just bought this saddle from Walmart.com: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ventura-Sa...rings/13012224

    I took the springs from it and used them to replace the stock springs on my Brooks Champion Flyer. These new ones are made of MUCH thinner wire, so unlike the Brooks springs they actually have some give. Now, finally, after years of riding a Brooks sprung saddle, it finally FEELS like a sprung saddle.

    I still haven't done any riding on it other than a brief test ride around the block but it feels very promising. The only slight weirdness is that at a certain cadence (which I think I only hit when I'm enthusiastically accelerating) it does seem to get in time with the resonance frequency, causing some bounce. I suspect, though, that it'll just be something I'll need to get used to and make a slight adjustment to my riding style.

    As a reference, I weigh about 200 pounds (90kg), so these thinner springs work even for a heavier rider. I'm riding a touring bike on paved roads, so the bumps are relatively small.

    I'll check back in later with further thoughts after I've ridden it on a longer ride.

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    I was going to ask your weight. I am 185 and I've never even thought of replacing springs. I hope you haven't placed a seed of doubt in my mind now! do you have a link to the cheap-o-huffy you bought for parts? or do you have a few pictures of you spring swap?

    oops! sorry I see now this thread is 6 years old!
    I'll try to use the one from the wal mart link
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    I'd definitely give it a try if I were you. It's a really low price to get the cheapo saddle, and you can always switch back to the stock springs if it doesn't work out. Here's a picture of the replacement. On the left is the saddle with the cheapo springs installed. In my hand is the original Brooks spring. I'm holding it right next to the saddle's right spring, so that should give a sense of the difference in wire thickness. Also, notice that the Brooks spring has approximately one more twist than the cheapo.
    IMG_20120531_135720.jpg

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    After a slightly longer ride I can report that I didn't notice any bouncing with my cadence. As an experiment I want over a speed bump without standing up out of the saddle and the new springs gave me a little catapult into the air. I'm very pleased with the change overall. The only thing I wonder about is whether, on a very long ride, I might get a little more tired because now my body will be moving a little more with the support of the springs as I pedal. I don't imagine it's more than a few millimeters of movement but it could add up over the long haul. That would end up being an argument against springs entirely, though.

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