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    Help me build my bike

    I'm getting ready put down my money to build the perfect bicycle. Here is a list of the parts I've selected. I'd love to hear any comments or suggestions. Every component on this list comes in black except for the frame which I'll have painted dark red.

    Usage - A commuter bike that I plan to ride in Tokyo and the surrounding mountains. Mostly road but I'd like something that can take a beating (pot holes/jumping curbs) and some gravel/dirt roads in Tokyo's suburbs. Reliability and low upkeep are valued over weight. I'm looking at ~4000+ miles a year. I'm 6ft at 210lbs.

    Frame/Fork - Igleheart custom steel
    Brake lever - Shimano BL-M800 Saint
    Brakes - Shimano BR-M800 Saint
    Front hub - Phil Wood QR Front Disc
    Rear hub - Rohloff Speedhub
    Rims - Mavic A317
    Spokes - Sapim CX-Ray
    (its been sugested that these are a bad choice with disc brakes with butted 14/15 spokes as a better option)
    Crank set - ??? - ???
    Saddle - Brooks B17
    Seat post - Thomspm Elite
    Tyres - Sport Contact 700x32
    Bars - Nashbar Trekking
    I'll select the Headset and Stem latter.

    Please comment!
    Last edited by pagefaulted; 12-29-06 at 06:17 AM.

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    That's kind of a curious oleo of parts.

    I wouldn't bet on Saint brakes fitting onto anything other than Saint hubs. Laceing those heavy duty brakes with CX-Ray spokes seems a little unmatched anyway.

    All of those high dollar parts and a $20.00 Nashbar handlebar. To me, they just don't seem to go together.

    Then again, it's not my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    That's kind of a curious oleo of parts.
    Thank you
    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    I ouldn't bet on Saint brakes fitting onto anything other than Saint hubs. Laceing those heavy duty brakes with CX-Ray spokes seems a little unmatched anyway.
    I'll check the brake/hub combo bit it seems to me that they both use standard mounts. But how are the CX-Ray spokes unmatched? I've been reading about the cx-rays and it seems that they are the strongest available. What spokes whould you recomend?
    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    All of those high dollar parts and a $20.00 Nashbar handlebar. To me, they just don't seem to go together.

    Then again, it's not my bike.
    I don't like drop bars but want more than a flat bar. I think the nashbar fits my needs perfectly. Besides if its only $20 I can change it latter without hesitaion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    But how are the CX-Ray spokes unmatched? I've been reading about the cx-rays and it seems that they are the strongest available.
    Also the most flexible spokes available. Not the strongest, the most fatigue resistant (not the same thing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWaB
    Also the most flexible spokes available. Not the strongest, the most fatigue resistant (not the same thing).
    That sounds bad. Should I just go with a std. wheelsmith 2.0 or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    That sounds bad. Should I just go with a std. wheelsmith 2.0 or something?
    Go with butted 14/15 on all but the non-drive rear. The butted section has a little give which tends to keep the nipples tighter than straight 14's. For non-drive side I like straight 15's since they are a little lighter and more flexi - again, the idea is to allow the spokes to spring a little.
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    You could always go with something like the Titec version of the H-bar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    Reliability and low upkeep are valued over weight.

    Saddle - Brooks B17
    Brooks is generally reliable but definitely not low on upkeep compared to other saddles. I assume you have ridden and like Brooks saddles.

    Sounds like a sharp looking ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masiman
    Brooks is generally reliable but definitely not low on upkeep compared to other saddles. I assume you have ridden and like Brooks saddles.
    Very true but I think it's worth the trade off. Worse case, I forget to maintain it and the saddle becomes uncomfortable or ugly. Its not going to make my bike unridable or unsafe.

    I have not seen or ridden a brooks in person but I've heard soo much about them that I just have to try it. Besides, the thought of a leather saddle that adapts to my body apeals to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by masiman
    Sounds like a sharp looking ride.
    Thank you very much. I'm very excited about it! I'll be sure to post some pictures when I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas
    You could always go with something like the Titec version of the H-bar.

    I must say that does look intersting. I've never ridden a bike with anything like that before. I'll have to give it a good looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    ...Here is a list of the parts I've selected....
    Bars - Nashbar Trekking


    Please comment!
    Do you have a picture of this installed??
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    FYI-No such thing as "The Perfect Bicycle"; otherwise we'd all have only one.
    Today, I believe my jurisdiction ends here...

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    You forgot fenders.
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    Saints deffinetly seem like overkill for that bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    I'm getting ready put down my money to build the perfect bicycle. Here is a list of the parts I've selected. I'd love to hear any comments or suggestions. Every component on this list comes in black except for the frame which I'll have painted dark red.

    Usage - A commuter bike that I plan to ride in Tokyo and the surrounding mountains. Mostly road but I'd like something that can take a beating (pot holes/jumping curbs) and some gravel/dirt roads in Tokyo's suburbs. Reliability and low upkeep are valued over weight. I'm looking at ~4000+ miles a year. I'm 6ft at 210lbs.

    Frame/Fork - Igleheart custom steel
    Brake lever - Shimano BL-M800 Saint
    Brakes - Shimano BR-M800 Saint
    Front hub - Phil Wood QR Front Disc
    Rear hub - Rohloff Speedhub
    Rims - Mavic A317
    Spokes - Sapim CX-Ray
    Crank set - ??? - ???
    Saddle - Brooks B17
    Seat post - Thomspm Elite
    Tyres - Sport Contact 700x32
    Bars - Nashbar Trekking
    I'll select the Headset and Stem latter.

    Please comment!
    With the exception of the bar, you picked some of the finest parts money can buy. I am not really sure they will all integrate well together. I do understand what you are doing though. If I could make a suggestion, why not Shimano Nexus? You could use a combination of Deore and Nexus to achieve the same results for far less money. Dare I say, replacement parts for Shimano are easier to source in Japan than Rolhoff would be.

    I love the idea of what you are doing. I, would use Shimano parts for the build. They are cheaper, almost as reliable and far easier to replace than Phil Wood and Rohloff. Whatever you choose good luck and post some pics when it is finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probable556
    Do you have a picture of this installed??
    Here is a link to someone who built a bike with this bar. This is were I got the idea from.
    Its Alive! (Karate Monkey with pics)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    Bars - Nashbar Trekking
    flex
    Quote Originally Posted by dutret
    Do you deny that you are clueless or do you just think that "moron" didn't need to be tacked on there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1
    With the exception of the bar, you picked some of the finest parts money can buy. I am not really sure they will all integrate well together. I do understand what you are doing though. If I could make a suggestion, why not Shimano Nexus? You could use a combination of Deore and Nexus to achieve the same results for far less money. Dare I say, replacement parts for Shimano are easier to source in Japan than Rolhoff would be.
    I HATE derailleurs with a passion. This whole build started when I started reading about the speedhub. I've heard nothing but great things about this hub. I would be a happy man if I never usec a derailleur again.

    Quote Originally Posted by cs1
    I love the idea of what you are doing. I, would use Shimano parts for the build. They are cheaper, almost as reliable and far easier to replace than Phil Wood and Rohloff. Whatever you choose good luck and post some pics when it is finished.
    Tim
    I'm not too worried about parts if I can order them online. I'm with the military, so I have a US mailing address in Japan. I picked the Phill Wood so I never have to worry about it breaking. I was under the assumption that a phill wood will almost never need parts or upkeep. Was this a wrong assumption?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LóFarkas
    flex
    You mean they bend/break?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmfnla
    FYI-No such thing as "The Perfect Bicycle"; otherwise we'd all have only one.
    Perfect for me, or a close as I can get

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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    You mean they bend/break?
    Probably not break but definitely bend if you stand out of the saddle while holding the flats. They're at the end of a looong curve.
    Quote Originally Posted by dutret
    Do you deny that you are clueless or do you just think that "moron" didn't need to be tacked on there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    Very true but I think it's worth the trade off. Worse case, I forget to maintain it and the saddle becomes uncomfortable or ugly. Its not going to make my bike unridable or unsafe.

    I have not seen or ridden a brooks in person but I've heard soo much about them that I just have to try it. Besides, the thought of a leather saddle that adapts to my body apeals to me.


    Thank you very much. I'm very excited about it! I'll be sure to post some pictures when I'm done.
    Great. At least you realize what you are getting into .

    I feel the same way about Brooks. I have had a chance to try some friends saddles. Each time I have ridden them I did not like the feel of them. However each Brook I did ride did not look to be in the best shape. One day when I have the time and money I will dedicate a couple months of bike time to really evaluate what so many find to be a great saddle.

    Enjoy your time to do this. I remember having to finagle some space to take my bike on deployments. It was not easy but it was well worth it to not be stuck on base and have the freedom to explore during liberty.

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    My only suggestions would be nitto bullhorns instead of the trekking bars. You'll still have more hand positions that flat bars, but you'll also have a light, good-quality set of bars. Next to drops, which I love, bullhorns are my favorite bars for city riding with some long distance stuff. For cranks, I say go with sugino 75 track cranks. They are made for single speed, so they should match well with your internally geared hub, they are stiff and good quality, and with the square taper, chainline is easy to adjust. If you want something in a 130bcd for a better selection of smaller chainrings, perhaps the sugino messenger cranks would be a good substitute.
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    The Saint brakes are 'usable,' although the Speedhub uses it's own Rotor, and I'm willing to bed the Phil wood is a 6 bolt Rotor mount. The Saint Rotors are an Oversized Center lock for Saint hubs, not even compatible with anything else made by Shimano.

    That said, if we're talking low maitnence, I'd personally suggest either Cable disc brakes (Avid BB7,) or Hydraulic disc brakes that use DOT fluid instead of mineral oil. I'm personally just not a huge fan of Shimano Disc brakes. There are advantages and disadvantages to the Mineral oil versus DOT Fluid, but personally the availability of DOT makes it win out in my book. Plus the Avid disc brakes, be they mechanical or Hydraulic, are easier to set-up and tune and require less of a break-in period because of the caliper adjustments available.

    Edit: None of this is to say the Saint Calipers won't work, I'm pretty sure you'll just need different rotors than what's included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pagefaulted
    Perfect for me, or a close as I can get
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