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    Miche cassettes

    Hello, I'm looking for some more information on Miche cassettes...the versatility in gearing is my biggest concern in this particular application as I am trying to build my 'cross bike with a single ring in front and mavic sl wheels that I will use for both racing in the fall, and training on the road otherwise.

    While on the road I will switch to a slightly larger front ring, and hopefully from a 12/27 to an 11/28 cassette. Shifting in the rear will either be Veloce 9 or Cenatur 10.

    After browsing the miche and mavic sights (less than helpful) I have come up with these two questions:

    1) Miche cassettes come in both Shimano and Campy splined...is a 10 speed miche shimano splined cassette SPACED differently than a miche 10 speed campy splined? Can I use a shimano splined miche cassette on my mavic wheel with a campy rear derailleur?

    2) Can anyone clue me in as to whether miche 11t top cogs will fit onto a modern mavic hub? Miche's "sprockets table" seems to indicate that they will not, both in 9 and 10 speed...this sounds wrong to me.

    Thanks for any help...hope the questions are clear enough to follow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarconsOrBust
    Hello, I'm looking for some more information on Miche cassettes...the versatility in gearing is my biggest concern in this particular application as I am trying to build my 'cross bike with a single ring in front and mavic sl wheels that I will use for both racing in the fall, and training on the road otherwise.

    While on the road I will switch to a slightly larger front ring, and hopefully from a 12/27 to an 11/28 cassette. Shifting in the rear will either be Veloce 9 or Cenatur 10.

    After browsing the miche and mavic sights (less than helpful) I have come up with these two questions:

    1) Miche cassettes come in both Shimano and Campy splined...is a 10 speed miche shimano splined cassette SPACED differently than a miche 10 speed campy splined? Can I use a shimano splined miche cassette on my mavic wheel with a campy rear derailleur?

    2) Can anyone clue me in as to whether miche 11t top cogs will fit onto a modern mavic hub? Miche's "sprockets table" seems to indicate that they will not, both in 9 and 10 speed...this sounds wrong to me.

    1) Campy and Shimano spacing is different so I expect that the answer to your first question is yes. If the MAVIC freehub is Shimano splined you could use a Miche splined cassette. The Campy rear derailleur does not have the same throw ratio as a shimano derailleur and will not work well with a Shimano spaced cassette.

    2) Not sure but I suspect that it depends on the MAVIC hub, they're not all the same. Are you sure you want an 11t cog? Suggest you got with a 12.

    Al

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    Miche cassettes suck. I have a 12/26 that has been relegated to the trainer wheel. They shift like sh*t, are boat anchor heavy and look like they were press-cut out of straight gauge sheet steel. Spend the money and get the correct cassette for the job.

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    I had a miche 12/23 campy cassette. Worked perfectly fine.
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    Thanks for your responses...anyone have experience with using Shimano 9 speed cassettes on Campy 9 drivetrains? What I'm really looking for is to have the 11x28 in the back, regardless of brand, and neither campy nor shimano offers that in a stock configuration.

    Since IRD makes an 11x28 that is shimano 9 spaced, this may be my best option, as I have heard that shimano 9 cassettes will work fine with campy 9 shifting...any opinions on the quality of the IRD cassette?

    Thanks!!

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    I've heard various things about Miche cassettes which leads me to belive that they have more than one level of quality. Try contacting the US importer for some information: http://www.redroseimports.com/index.html

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    you could get a shimano splined version and get a bunch of campy spacers so it works with campy

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitropowered
    you could get a shimano splined version and get a bunch of campy spacers so it works with campy
    That assumes that the cassette bodies are the exact same length. Is it so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight
    That assumes that the cassette bodies are the exact same length. Is it so?
    How does Wheels Manufacturing handle that? They manage to get a Campy spaced cassette to fit a Shimano freehub body.
    http://www.wheelsmfg.com/products.ph...d=shiftconv9#a

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight
    That assumes that the cassette bodies are the exact same length. Is it so?
    The spacers will be a different width to make up for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitropowered
    The spacers will be a different width to make up for that.
    It still doesn't add up.
    From Sheldon Brown http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html
    Campy 9 speed spacing:- 4.55mm *8=36.4mm
    Shimano 9 speed spacing:- 4.34mm *8=34.72mm
    A difference of almost 2mm, I don't think you can fudge that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steev
    How does Wheels Manufacturing handle that? They manage to get a Campy spaced cassette to fit a Shimano freehub body.
    http://www.wheelsmfg.com/products.ph...d=shiftconv9#a
    They might have a larger first spacer or a thicker lockring as needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitropowered
    The spacers will be a different width to make up for that.
    Not necessarily. The spacers are still based on a cassette with x width cogs and y total distance to fill up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steev
    It still doesn't add up.
    From Sheldon Brown http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html
    Campy 9 speed spacing:- 4.55mm *8=36.4mm
    Shimano 9 speed spacing:- 4.34mm *8=34.72mm
    A difference of almost 2mm, I don't think you can fudge that out.
    Thanks, you did the research I was too lazy to do

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    It can't be a matter of spacers, the Campy stack is bigger than the Shimano, so I don't see how they can get it onto a Shimano freehub, unless they grind the outside cogs down or have a lockring that holds the outside cog or something.

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    Hmmm, that's a good point. My campy cassette gets so close to the stays that if it went any further out (which you pointed out might happen on a WM conversion cassette) it would rub. I'm not sure how they take care of that.

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