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Old 01-21-07, 06:59 AM   #1
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Specialized Roubaix no decals - LEGIT?

This person has been selling a lot of this frame



He claims that it is a2005 Specialized Roubaix, but without any decals.

His rating is +2000 and over 99% feedback so the recipients of the frame are happy. I tried searching for more info on the frame but can't get a definite answer as it to being real or how they can acquire a frame without the decals.
Is it rejects from the factory? The winners of the frame don't know any better?
Few months ago, the frames were white...now they're black.

Should I invest $$ on this frame? In your opinion, would it be worth over $200?

Thanks so much!
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Old 01-21-07, 07:07 AM   #2
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Some people don't like decals and remove them. Some repaint their frame and never put decals back on. Two possible explanations...
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Old 01-21-07, 07:14 AM   #3
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Who is the seller? I'd be interesting to take a look at other items for sale.
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Old 01-21-07, 07:18 AM   #4
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they're probably made at some generic factory and become specialized after decals are applied. he might have access to buying them direct from the actual manufacturer. whether or not they're rejects, or if you should buy one is another story. on the other hand, 2 negatives out of 2102 feedback says something as well.
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Old 01-21-07, 07:19 AM   #5
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Who is the seller? I'd be interesting to take a look at other items for sale.
bicyclerus (and heck no i'm not him)
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5 negative feedbacks in over 2000 transactions. 4 of them by the same buyer on the same transaction. If it is for real I'm very interested. I wish it was against the law to put manufactures decals on bikes.

Edit--I notice it is the Aluminum frame with carbon rear. Not all carbon like I first thought.

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Old 01-21-07, 04:06 PM   #7
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It occurs to me that since they are late model frames that it would be unlikely that Specialized would apply decals to a frame no longer being sold and probably gets rid of them at a significant discount

edit: has anyone tried actually asking the seller for an explanation?
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Old 01-21-07, 06:49 PM   #8
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edit: has anyone tried actually asking the seller for an explanation?
I asked a question to the seller and waiting for a reply. I will forward the information here when i get it
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Hum, I have an 04 Roubaix Comp and my seatstays connection to the seat tube may be different. It is hard to tell from the ebay photo.

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I asked a question to the seller and waiting for a reply. I will forward the information here when i get it
just got a reply. quick and abrupt stating it was "OEM"
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Figure it this way: Bikesdirect is having their frames made at the same place Fuji is. Basically, they are last years Fuji. Who is stopping this guy from buying last years Specialized. I bet they are legit.

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Surely they come out of the same factory the Specialized frames come from. They might be the exact same thing, or they might be built from somewhat inferior materials (unlikely I guess) or with more lax quality control.
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just messaged the winners of similar auctions from the guy. will hopefully hear from a handful of them. the only replies i have received are from recent winners who haven't received it yet.
will add more info as time passes
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all bikes are made by one guy in China. or Taiwan, depending on where he's having lunch.

Seriously, how could it BE a Roubaix if it doesn't have "Roubaix" decalled on it?

It's a generic frame without a company backing it up, i'd say.

you all do realize China doesn't provide the same copyright protections to intellectual or design property that the western world does? the freedom to copy designs, blatantly, is part of the chinese manufacturing schema and there's little western companies can do about it except complain to an obscure ministry of western capitalist obstructionism.

Remember what the Great Father, Chairman Mao, said in the little red book..... "use the West for Chinese means...."
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That looks like the base model Roubaix. We sold them at my shop for $1299 with Shimano 105 when brand new. By the end of the season we were selling them for $999 to get rid of them. By the time you build it up it will have cost you $800 if you find killer deals on all your parts. Whether saving $200 dollars to have a bike without a manufacturers warranty is up to you. I thought the frame rode pretty good for a $1000 bike, but I wouldn't build it up into a $2000 dollar bike.
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Figure it this way: Bikesdirect is having their frames made at the same place Fuji is. Basically, they are last years Fuji. Who is stopping this guy from buying last years Specialized. I bet they are legit.

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The question is: are the frames actually Fuji frames? Fuji, like most bike mfgs, doesn't make their frames anymore. They are almost all coming out of China and Taiwan. As was stated earlier, the Asian business model doesn't respect intellectual property rights. Basically the same factory that makes a Fuji in May is selling the same frame to someone else in June with another decal on them.

Here is a quote from Bikesdirect on one of their bikes. "BY THE WAY, MOTOBECANE HAS THIS REYNOLDS 520 DB FRAME MADE BY THE SAME CUSTOM FRAME SHOP {LICENSED BY REYNOLDS** THAT MAKES FRAMES FOR BIANCHI, MERCIER, FUJI, AND SPECIALIZED. THE FRAME QUALITY IS TOP NOTCH." Bikesdirect has stated on many occasions that they actually use last years Fuji frames because they don't have to do any of the design work.

I bet these aren't leftover either. The factory making them is still making them if there is a demand.

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That looks like the base model Roubaix. We sold them at my shop for $1299 with Shimano 105 when brand new. By the end of the season we were selling them for $999 to get rid of them. By the time you build it up it will have cost you $800 if you find killer deals on all your parts. Whether saving $200 dollars to have a bike without a manufacturers warranty is up to you. I thought the frame rode pretty good for a $1000 bike, but I wouldn't build it up into a $2000 dollar bike.
I'm actually going to use the parts on my current road bike (steel) with mostly 105 components.
I basically would just have to get the frame, integrated headset, and fork.
I have an integrated fork in mind the Reynolds Ouzo, but as far as the integrated headset I'm trying to find out as much info as I can so I can get the right one.
There are so many factors to consider and the specialized site isn't giving too much info
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As was stated earlier, the Asian business model doesn't respect intellectual property rights.
To be accurate, it was posted that "China" does not respect IPR the way the West does.

It is not in China's interest to have strong IPR. They don't really make alot of things that they design that can be sold internationally. China is more interested in catching up with the advanced economies and technologies. As they start to develop, create and invent, you will see their IPR laws get stronger. You will hear them scream bloody murder when they have something worth protecting.
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