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Old 02-09-07, 04:42 PM   #1
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New Brakes/Old Frame

I'm preparing an old (80s I think) 531c Raleigh race frame for use with some not-so-old Shimano road components, and I chanced on a thread earlier, which suggested (horror ) that my shiny new ('06) 105 brakes might not be suitable for my old frame. I know little about road bikes, being from a decidedly BMX -> MTB background, so was wondering - is it as simple as getting a concave washer to go either side of the seatstay bridge, and some spacers for the fork, and maybe cutting the threaded mounting spigot to length?
Is there anything else I need to do to get these modern, dual-pivot brakes onto this aged frame?
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Old 02-09-07, 05:35 PM   #2
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See Sheldon Brown's write up.....I am in the middle of doing this and it looks like it will be pretty smooth.

http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ra-e.html#recessed
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Squirtdad,
Sweeeeeeet. I am truly one lazy mofo and should have found this on my own. What are you building/rebuilding?
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Squirtdad,
Sweeeeeeet. I am truly one lazy mofo and should have found this on my own. What are you building/rebuilding?
'82 Nishiki international that I bought new.

I am making it a utility (swing a leg over go to the store for the loaf of bread)/commuter bike.

And it is a fun project.

so I'm taking it down to the frame, painting (Lime green Duplicolor, with a reflective clear coat)
and then building it up with a wild mix of ebay, performance bike and other parts.

it will be a 1/8, Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, Wald grocery basket in back, removable basket in front,
used Veloce BB and Crank, new Deore 700c wheels, sora derailler, new long reach shimano double pivot brakes, sram cassette, new bike nashbar headset. shifter will either be a MTB rapidfire or a Sachs twist grip. Haven't decided on handle bar yet...either a nitto that has an a "English Race Feel" or a flat bar with cane creek ergo ends. pair of performane campus (platform/spd) pedals

the frame is ready to be cold set and then the painting starts
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Your fork does not accept recessed nuts right? If so you'll have to drill it out.
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What "reach" brakes does the frame take? Older frames typically used what are now called "long reach" brakes (47-57 mm) while newer frames use "short reach" brakes (37 - 47 mm). Your 105 brakes will have the reach dimensions engraved on the back of the operating arm.

Shimano and Tektro both offer long reach double pivot brakes if they are what you require.
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Guys, thanks for the advice! I've checked my brake fittings against my frame, and both the brake bridge and for are drilled for recessed fittings, and the brake drop is ok too. It's an '87 frame so might represent the first of the 'new standard', I suppose.

Squirtdad - are you painting the frame yourself, or taking it to a spray-painter? I was considering doing mine - it's a little scruffy in places - but it's got a really unusual factory paintjob which would be expensive to recreate faithfully.

I had a somewhat fraught evening on Weds, re-spacing the rear dropouts using Sheldon's cold-setting method - worked nicely though, I'd recommend it.
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Guys, thanks for the advice! I've checked my brake fittings against my frame, and both the brake bridge and for are drilled for recessed fittings, and the brake drop is ok too. It's an '87 frame so might represent the first of the 'new standard', I suppose.

Squirtdad - are you painting the frame yourself, or taking it to a spray-painter? I was considering doing mine - it's a little scruffy in places - but it's got a really unusual factory paintjob which would be expensive to recreate faithfully.

I had a somewhat fraught evening on Weds, re-spacing the rear dropouts using Sheldon's cold-setting method - worked nicely though, I'd recommend it.
Niallac....I am painting myself.....just because I am a hopeless do it your selfer..I am doing solid color (and will take a paint pen to detail the lugs, and some reflective pen striping)...I am pretty sure I will come out of the experience saying either a) next time it will be powder coated or b) next time it goes to DR. D. ...but for this frame...my worst case is it comes out bad and then it gets powder coated
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Good luck - hope your paint job goes well! When I was considerin the same thing a while ago, I came across this article on the internet http://http://www.littlefishbicycles.../painting.html - some girl has written it as a 'guide for the rest of us' but beware - she builds her own frames, too...
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Good luck - hope your paint job goes well! When I was considerin the same thing a while ago, I came across this article on the internet http://http://www.littlefishbicycles.../painting.html - some girl has written it as a 'guide for the rest of us' but beware - she builds her own frames, too...
Tried the link but looks like the server is down or not hosting her site anymore. Got a different link?

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Tried the link but looks like the server is down or not hosting her site anymore. Got a different link?

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Typed it in manually and it came in. Very informative site. Thanks for the link.

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