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    question about the competence of my LBS

    i am having my LBS build a touring bike for me from the ground up. they build frames. i tried to do some research on touring bikes before i ordered it so even though i didnt know exactly what i was talking about i know what i wanted.
    when i ordered the bike i told them several time i wanted mountian bike gearing on it. i was told it was no problem. i went back a week later and found out they were putting road gears on it.
    so i said i want the deore XT 9 speed group. and this time i basically got told i was an idiot for wanting this. if they had treated me this the first ime i went in i would not have ordered and put a down payment on the bike. o well im geting off topic here.

    i convinced them to use the group i wanted. was told i'd need to pick different shifters since my bike was going to have drop bars.
    i wanted them to recommend something and they did, and i went with there reccomendation. i was supposed to pick the bike up tonite, but i just got a phone call. the shifters and brakes we decided on wont work with the bike so they have to order different parts and the bike wont be ready till friday. this will be the 4th time i got a call on the day of pick up saying it wont be ready.
    so heres the question do these guys know what the hell they are doing? should i be trusting them to build a bike thats gonna end up costing me $2500.+?

    sorry i went off so much, but im venting as well as asking for advice. i am really geting the feeling i'm bein shafted, the first time i went in i felt really confident, but ever since they got my down payment i have not been treated the same at all.

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    Hmmm, what a bummer! I don't know if they're intentionally shafting you, but they're surely not getting things done correctly and timely. I don't understand why they wouldn't want you to get mountain gearing, but maybe they had a valid reason. They should respect your decision, though, and not just go ahead and build it the way they want to.

    I'm sure you'll get it soon, though, and all this will be behind you. Good luck!

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    thanks gonesh9
    hopefully it will turn out to be a great bike, but i will never make another purchase there.
    No matter how fast I'm going, I'm in no hurry.
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    I went shopping around for a touring bike recently, and was asking about having one built up on a Surly CrossCheck frame.

    One shop seemed very baffled by the thought of a loaded touring bike, and even more baffled that I wanted to use an MTB crank.

    They didn't get my business. But at least they were upfront with their confusion.

    I ended up going with a Trek 520 at another shop. The shop is supposed to replace the 105 crank with an LX. They didn't question my choice of components

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    yes thats the worst thing about it, when i first went in they acted like they knew exactly what i was talking about. i even mentioned that i what i really wanted was a bruce gordon bike, but wasnt comforatable with them being so far away. so what i wanted was someone local to do measurements, build me a frame and put the bike together. the owner of the shop/frame builder said that was no problem, he know about bruce gordon bikes, and he had a purpose built touring frame that would work great.
    i told him again i wanted mountian bike gears, he said no problem and wrote the thing up with shimano tiagra group. now at the time i understood gears but didnt really know brands and models. so a few dyas later i researched and found out this was a road group. i went back to the shop and talked to the owner again. this time he says he isnt the component guy i need to talk to someone else about that, well he didnt say that the first time i talked to him.
    so i talk to the component guy, this time i specify shimano deore xt, and he looks at me like i have 3 heads. and every visit to shop since has been like that. and i havent been in every day pesterin them, ive stopped in 3 times in the 6 weeks since i ordered the bike.
    next time i'll get a bruce gordon, maybe even this time.
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    shaharidan: Perhaps mountain bike gears meant something different to the shop. In their case it may have been triple chain rings and large cassette instead of double chain rings and 12-15 cassette.

    You might want to talk with them some more to get this specific point clarified. If you can't get it worked out to your satisfaction I'd tell them that all you want from them is the frame, headset and fork and that you'll take the bike to a shop who will built it to your specifications.

    Good Luck!

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    That isn't a combination that I've ever tried.

    This much I know for sure:
    1. Rapid fire shifters are more reliable for shifting a triple crankset than STI's. Don't ask me why, that's just the way it is.
    2. Shimano says STI's won't shift a mountain bike crankset/derailleur. I don't understand that one either, because the opposite (Rapid Fires with a road crankset/derailleur) works.

    When a customer goes into a shop and askes for an unusual combination, the sales guy has two conflicting pressures on him. He wants to make the sale and to give the customer what the customer wants. He's also often not sure what it's going to take to make that combination work. In my experience, the guys who are most willing to say "no problem" are the guys who don't have a clue as to what the potential problems are.

    After saying all of that, my choice for a loaded touring bike would be barcons anyway. They're mechanically simpler so you are less apt to find yourself in Nowheresville Kansas on a Friday night with an unuseable shifter and the front isn't indexed so it always works.

    It also sounds to me like you want V brakes. If that's right, you really should first check your luggage rack mounting to be sure the brakes aren't going to interfere. Dia-Compe 287-V road levers have adequate cable pull for linear pull brakes.

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    Hmmm. I have some friends with a road tandem that has XT wide range gearing on their rear derailleur and use an Ultegra STI shifter to control it.

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    we are going with barend shifters. and while i forget exactly which brakes we are using, we did make sure they wouldnt interfere with the racks.
    what i should have probably done was print up the bruce gordon parts list/description and givin it to them. live and learn.
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    You forgot what brakes your getting?I think i would have just got a touring bike and changed what i wanted on it.
    Touch every 3rd person and you'll find an idiot.

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    With STI, there is the issue of front derailleur compatibility. In a nutshell, the easiest solution is to continue using the road derailleur and to grind it to the shape of your largest ring (44-46) to improve shifting. With bar-end or downtube shifters, there is no issue whatsoever.

    Rear brakes... on the Trek 520, at least, you have the choice between:
    - cantilever brakes which are most likely to stick out into the panniers (especially on larger frames -- I have a 25" frame);
    - v-brakes which clear the rack stays by 1-2 mm.

    On the latest issue, there is a model of Tektro v-brakes with 95-mm arms (instead of the typical 100 or 102 mm arms), and there is one with 70-80-mm arms (I can't remember). The latter one won't clear tires, BTW.

    If you have problems with v-brakes clearing the rack struts, you might use p-clamps (supplied with Blackburn racks amongst others -- you could get them at your LBS) to install the rack struts a bit higher on the seatstays. It's not as nice, but it's an easy way to solve the problem.

    Regards,
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    Originally posted by Spoke Wrench

    2. Shimano says STI's won't shift a mountain bike crankset/derailleur. I don't understand that one either, because the opposite (Rapid Fires with a road crankset/derailleur) works.
    Balderdash.

    STI will shift the crap out of deore componentry. It does on my touring bike and tandem (as welll as just about every tandem I have ever seen).

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