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Old 05-24-07, 01:11 AM   #1
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Brifter/RD adjustment question....

I installed a Shimano compact crank, adjust the FD and everything. But now my RD is not set right. When I shift to the outermost gear (the smallest cog) I can still click a little bit more on my brifter. The RD doesn't move but I have a little extra play in my brifter.

Is that a limit screw adjustment problem or do I need to adjust the cable tension? I'm thinking adjusting the H-Limit screw will get rid of the extra play in the brifter but it's late and I'm not completely sure. I could be waaayy off!

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

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Follow these instructions:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=64

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Old 05-24-07, 10:15 AM   #3
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Thanks! I wasted my $$ on the Park Tools repair book. The website is so much better and more detailed!
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'nother source ... for you ... or for the next person searching the forum....

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html
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Thanks! I wasted my $$ on the Park Tools repair book. The website is so much better and more detailed!
People keep asking "What's the best repair book?" on these boards. I keep saying that the Parktool site is better than any book, and it's FREE.

I've even been known to set my laptop up on my workbench from time to time and work directly off the web-site if I don't feel like printing out the instructions.

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Thanks for all the help!

It ended up just needing the barrel adjuster on the RD turned a few times. My cable on the FD was also a little loose so I tightened that up and straightened out the FD a tad and now everything is running smoothly.

There is such a nice feeling of satisfaction when you do stuff yourself.
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Yeah, too bad you didn't do it by yourself, but depended upon a forum. Maybe next time?
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Y'know, that's almost funny.
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Yeah, too bad you didn't do it by yourself, but depended upon a forum. Maybe next time?
Huh?!?! Isn't this the reason for a Bike Mech forum? To get help when you aren't sure. And I did the actual work myself anyway without the use of the Park Tools website by messing with it some more.

And if you recall no one posted up a solution, just links to two websites. But I did appreciate their responses, just not yours.
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My apologies, I'm a bit old school and learned by hours and hours of studying technical manuals, performing work under the eye of a mentor and just plain figuring things out myself. I never had a resource like the internet (until just a few years ago) to depend on.

I just saw a bit of irony in you asking for help, being offered the best possible solution other than reading the instructions that come with a derailleur, then claiming satisfaction in doing it all yourself.

Personally, I'm happy for you that you managed to get your issue resolved. Congratulations.
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My apologies, I'm a bit old school and learned by hours and hours of studying technical manuals, performing work under the eye of a mentor and just plain figuring things out myself. I never had a resource like the internet (until just a few years ago) to depend on.
I can't help noticing that you're using the internet now. So do you prefer this way or the old way?
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Good question.

For tasks as simple as adjusting a rear derailleur, I depend upon the knowledge gained through the manuals provided with the products or through my own studies. I do not use the internet as a first resort, nor do I typically go online to ask, in essence, "What am I reading?". I see that as asking for the answers to the test. One gains nothing from the test, even though they may get a good "grade".

For more technical information such as service guides for rebuilding suspension forks, it is much faster and easier to pull the information up online, though if I had the paper manual in front of me, I'd likely use that.
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Good question.

For tasks as simple as adjusting a rear derailleur, I depend upon the knowledge gained through the manuals provided with the products or through my own studies. I do not use the internet as a first resort, nor do I typically go online to ask, in essence, "What am I reading?". I see that as asking for the answers to the test. One gains nothing from the test, even though they may get a good "grade".

For more technical information such as service guides for rebuilding suspension forks, it is much faster and easier to pull the information up online, though if I had the paper manual in front of me, I'd likely use that.
I'm about as old school as they come, but this is just, er, nuts. You are making a distinction that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Old school: If something is simple (to you, given your ability and background) you figure it out. If not, you use printed material you' have - product info or generic manual. If you aren't familiar with what sources/manuals are needed or available, you ask a friend, bike shop, book store, or look in the library. You think I pulled "Glen's Complete Bicycle Repair Manual out of the blue when I bought it in the 70s? Of course not. Someone steered me toward it. You get the printed material and use it. This printed material could be generic repair guides, or a source of product info. (which, in my old school days was non-existent - to me anyway. I NEVER saw any product info on the derailleurs, shifters, brakes, brackets, hubs on the early 70s Gitane/Huret bike I rebuilt in the 70s). If you are uncertain after reading the material and trying to figure it out, you go ahead and ask again, maybe get someone to help you.

Is this any different than your "old school, by god, I did it myself!" technique?

New School: If something is simple (to you, given your ability and background) you figure it out. If not, you use an internet source you're familiar with. If you aren't familiar with internet sources, you ask ... in this case in a forum. You get the internet source and use it. This internet source could be generic repair guides (park, sheldonbrown), or a source of product PDF files (shimano.com, etc.) If you are uncertain after reading the material and trying to figure it out, you go ahead and ask again, maybe get specific step by step instructions and help on a forum (similar to having a friend show you).

I tell you, I am always satisfied and feel a sense of PERSONAL accomplishment if I do something new, regardless of whether i figured it out from nothing, read about it, or asked someone. Internet, printed material, advice from forums, friends coming over, es machts nichts.

Old School, New School, BS distinction.
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OK, you got me...I'm just nuts.


But I do have a reason to be nuts. You see...I am tall. Now everyone thinks being tall is some huge advantage, but it does nothing but make people discriminate against you. I can't recall just how many expectant demands I've had to "get something off the top shelf", but the first time I try asking a midget to get something off the bottom shelf...well, midgets can kick pretty hard. Now, where is the equity there? Why is it that I am considered rude if I tell them to go get a ladder and get it themselves? Why is it just dandy for people to ask me if I play basketball, but if I ask someone if they're a jockey...yeah, shins heal slowly.
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Let me clarify so we all know what I did leading up to my asking on the forum for assistance.

First, I installed the compact crank. Pretty straight forward since I pulled the old crank off on a prior occassion to clean and relube the BB. Once I did that I lowered the FD. Not a big deal since I previously replaced the FD myself (as well as the RD). After adjusting the derailleurs it still wasn't right. The Park repair book didn't have a clear answer for me as well. But it was late so I thought it best to stop and sleep since I had work the next day. Then I could come back with a fresh and clear head and spend more time on it when I got home from work.

In the meantime, before I went to sleep I thought I'd post up my question to see if anyone had a similar problem and could possibly give me some insight on what I was doing wrong and any tips or ideas someone else might be able to offer. Plus I was frustrated that I wasn't able to adjust everything that night.

So during the day some kind folks gave me some links to some helpful websites. During this same time I thought of possible scenarios as to what needed to be done. The barrell adjuster on the downtube may need to be loosened since I wasn't able to fully adjust the barrell adjuster on the RD. Ah ha!!

So I went home and that was the problem. I loosened up the barrell adjuster on the downtube and was able to correctly adjust the RD so that it would shift smoothly. I also fine tuned the FD and Brifter as well.

I couldn't use the paper manual that came with the derailleurs because the one for the FD is in storage and I bought the RD used so it came with nothing.

And what I meant by doing it myself is that I physically did the labor myself and it was satisfying doing the work myself and being able to adjust it without giving up and bringing it to the bike shop. But I am thankful for those that responded to my question.

I guess I still consider myself old skool but I like to utilize the new skool when possible. I am a newb when it come to bike repair but that's how you learn... you ask. Whether it be with other people, books or with technology. Like Camilo said there isn't a lot of distinction between the two. Just a difference of sources available in this new tech era. So you utilize what you have.

We'll consider this case closed. The End.
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