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    whats clipless?

    members writing about the pedals and clipless etc, what are they talking about?

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    clipless pedals to not use toe clips. A cleat on your shoe attaches to the pedal somewhat like a ski boot binding.

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    I found the term a bit confusing myself for a while. 'clipless' doesn't mean you don't clip in. Clipless is in relation to the older style of slip in toe clip and strap down pedal attachment. it refers to systems like Shimanos SPD or Crank Bros Eggbeaters whereby there is a special cleat attachment on the riders shoe which clips into the pedal, and detaches again by some lateral, outwards motion..

    the tomes of Sheldon explain; http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_cl.html#clipless

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    and why would you want to be strapped onto the pedals? so you cant fall forwards? what if you need to quickly leap off your bike when danger is approaching?

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    What, like if a cheetah is chasing you?

    I'd rather ride away using a full pedal stroke, being able to pull up as well as push down for maximum pedaling efficiency. I ride clipless off road to keep my feet firmly affixed to the pedals, which is much better than them falling off the pedals in rough terrain.

    Clipping out takes a bit of practice, but once you have it down you can clip out with a quick twitch of your heel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    and why would you want to be strapped onto the pedals? so you cant fall forwards? what if you need to quickly leap off your bike when danger is approaching?
    You can pull up on the pedal and get a bit more power into your legs (uses a different muscle set). It also keeps your feet from being knocked off the pedals when you hit an unexpected bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    and why would you want to be strapped onto the pedals? so you cant fall forwards? what if you need to quickly leap off your bike when danger is approaching?

    The straps or cleats keep your foot on the pedal and save you from one kind of injury...the kind where your foot slips off the pedal and you may crunch your jewels on the crossbar. These attaching systems probably increase your pedalling efficiency (although not by very much) since you can now apply some power through the top and bottom of the stroke, not just the downstroke. Barba points our you can also pull up when attached to the pedal, and hence apply power all the way around the stroke, but probably not so much of that upstroke power happens, except maybe when riding uphill slowly and/or on loose soil. They also give you more of a zen-like feeling of oneness with the bike which is cool.

    With practise you can detach your foot pretty fast when you need to. With clips and straps, you pull your foot straight back briskly. With cleats, you rotate your heel away from the bike to release.

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    To ad to the discussion, you need the clipless pedals, attached to cleats that you buy separately, then shoes that attach to the cleats? So that there are three components all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1Omer
    To ad to the discussion, you need the clipless pedals, attached to cleats that you buy separately, then shoes that attach to the cleats? So that there are three components all together.
    Pedals come with matching cleats (assuming you buy them new).

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    Then do all shoes fit all pedal/cleat sets? And what's the advantage of egg beater pedals?

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    For cleats, you need a shoe that has a drilled plate in the sole to attach the cleat. Roadbike shoes have no tread and are really hard to walk in, because the cleat slides around on the pavement. Mountainbike shoes have some tread and are a little easier to walk in, and in many cases either shoe will work with a particular pedal...certainly for Shimano-style SPD cleats and pedals you can use either type of shoe - a road shoe with a mountain pedal and vice versa.

    For clips and straps, there may have been some specific shoes designed to use with them, and I think in some cases there was an old fashioned cleat sort of like a duck bill on the sole of the shoe that helped secure the pedal, but I don't know if they still make them. Generally all you need for clips and straps are shoes with a fairly flat sole, so the tread doesn't interfere with entering or exiting the pedal clip.

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    Thanks! That was very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    and why would you want to be strapped onto the pedals? so you cant fall forwards? what if you need to quickly leap off your bike when danger is approaching?
    The most efficient way to pedal is by pedalling in circles, so you're powering the bike all the way around. With platform pedals (no straps or cleats) you can only power the pedals by pushing down, instead of down, back, up, forward, and everything in between.
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