135mm hub okay for 130mm frame?
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135mm hub okay for 130mm frame?
What do you think of using a 135mm hub on a 130mm frame? The frame is steel, a 2000 Randonee.
I brought the bike to REI for a tune-up, and they told me the rear rim was shot. They didn't have an exact replacement, so I bought what they recommended. They didn't mention that the hub on the new wheel was a different size from my frame! I happened to get a flat on the rear yesterday, which is how I discovered the new hub that's been on for four days was a 135mm crammed into the 130mm frame. Even if the guy who sold me the rim didn't know at the time the wheel didn't fit, I'm a little pissed that the guy who worked on the bike didn't call to confirm I really wanted to go with a larger hub, or mention it when I picked up the bike.
I'm a cycling newb, so maybe I'm overreacting. Is it common/safe to use a 135mm hub in a 130mm frame?
Also, is it hard to find an 8-speed, 36H hub with 130mm spacing today? For all I know, my bike is outdated and all road bikes are 135mm today.
I brought the bike to REI for a tune-up, and they told me the rear rim was shot. They didn't have an exact replacement, so I bought what they recommended. They didn't mention that the hub on the new wheel was a different size from my frame! I happened to get a flat on the rear yesterday, which is how I discovered the new hub that's been on for four days was a 135mm crammed into the 130mm frame. Even if the guy who sold me the rim didn't know at the time the wheel didn't fit, I'm a little pissed that the guy who worked on the bike didn't call to confirm I really wanted to go with a larger hub, or mention it when I picked up the bike.
I'm a cycling newb, so maybe I'm overreacting. Is it common/safe to use a 135mm hub in a 130mm frame?
Also, is it hard to find an 8-speed, 36H hub with 130mm spacing today? For all I know, my bike is outdated and all road bikes are 135mm today.
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If it was my bike I'd get a new, shorter rear axle and rework the rear wheel to make it 130mm.
I doubt it's a safety issue with a steel frame, but it'll be a PITA every time that you have to remove and replace the rear wheel.
I doubt it's a safety issue with a steel frame, but it'll be a PITA every time that you have to remove and replace the rear wheel.
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What make of bike is it? Is it a road or mtb? Sounds like a mtb if he could only get 135mm.
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I wouldn't be all that concerned with a steel frame. 135mm hub is gonna be a bit stronger.
This bike has 700c wheels, correct? 130mm in the most common size these days for a 700c road wheel.
Any 9 speed hub is compatible with an 8 speed.
But if you paid go money, you deserve the right part. I'd take it up with the seller in a polite manner.
This bike has 700c wheels, correct? 130mm in the most common size these days for a 700c road wheel.
Any 9 speed hub is compatible with an 8 speed.
But if you paid go money, you deserve the right part. I'd take it up with the seller in a polite manner.
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The standard for road bikes is still 130mm, the only road-ish bikes with 135mm spacing are touring and cyclocross bikes.
Perhaps the shop had so-called 29-er wheels (for mountain bikes, but with 700c rims, which have some benefits off-road, esp. for larger riders) but not true road wheels. Especially if you really wanted 36-spoke rear wheel - mtb 29-er wheels are probably more likely to find in 36-spoke than road rear wheels.
The shop should be able to
1) put a shorter axle on the hub
2) remove 5mm of spacers from the non-drive-side axle
3) re-dish the rim 2.5mm to the drive-side
And now you've got a proper 130mm-spaced rear wheel.
But sticking a 135mm hub in a 130mm-spaced steel frame shouldn't be a problem, as others have mentioned.
Perhaps the shop had so-called 29-er wheels (for mountain bikes, but with 700c rims, which have some benefits off-road, esp. for larger riders) but not true road wheels. Especially if you really wanted 36-spoke rear wheel - mtb 29-er wheels are probably more likely to find in 36-spoke than road rear wheels.
The shop should be able to
1) put a shorter axle on the hub
2) remove 5mm of spacers from the non-drive-side axle
3) re-dish the rim 2.5mm to the drive-side
And now you've got a proper 130mm-spaced rear wheel.
But sticking a 135mm hub in a 130mm-spaced steel frame shouldn't be a problem, as others have mentioned.
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Originally Posted by cs1
What make of bike is it? Is it a road or mtb? Sounds like a mtb if he could only get 135mm.
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Originally Posted by dobber
I wouldn't be all that concerned with a steel frame. 135mm hub is gonna be a bit stronger.
This bike has 700c wheels, correct? 130mm in the most common size these days for a 700c road wheel.
Any 9 speed hub is compatible with an 8 speed.
But if you paid go money, you deserve the right part. I'd take it up with the seller in a polite manner.
This bike has 700c wheels, correct? 130mm in the most common size these days for a 700c road wheel.
Any 9 speed hub is compatible with an 8 speed.
But if you paid go money, you deserve the right part. I'd take it up with the seller in a polite manner.
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if its that hard for you to live with just space it out, sheldon brown shows you how to do it yourself on his website
https://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html
https://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html
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Originally Posted by timcupery
The shop should be able to
1) put a shorter axle on the hub
2) remove 5mm of spacers from the non-drive-side axle
3) re-dish the rim 2.5mm to the drive-side
And now you've got a proper 130mm-spaced rear wheel.
But sticking a 135mm hub in a 130mm-spaced steel frame shouldn't be a problem, as others have mentioned.
I was just going to remove the single 5 mm spacer on the lazy side of the hub and use the wheel on the Lemond with the brakes in the open position.
After reading the above discussion, I may go further. How easy/difficult is it to replace the axle? The existing axle maybe could also be used with a spacer on the outside of the bike frame, rather than replacing/cutting it? I usually try to do everything on my bike myself, but haven't dove into the rear axle yet.
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Originally Posted by timcupery
The standard for road bikes is still 130mm, the only road-ish bikes with 135mm spacing are touring and cyclocross bikes.
Perhaps the shop had so-called 29-er wheels (for mountain bikes, but with 700c rims, which have some benefits off-road, esp. for larger riders) but not true road wheels. Especially if you really wanted 36-spoke rear wheel - mtb 29-er wheels are probably more likely to find in 36-spoke than road rear wheels.
The shop should be able to
1) put a shorter axle on the hub
2) remove 5mm of spacers from the non-drive-side axle
3) re-dish the rim 2.5mm to the drive-side
And now you've got a proper 130mm-spaced rear wheel.
Perhaps the shop had so-called 29-er wheels (for mountain bikes, but with 700c rims, which have some benefits off-road, esp. for larger riders) but not true road wheels. Especially if you really wanted 36-spoke rear wheel - mtb 29-er wheels are probably more likely to find in 36-spoke than road rear wheels.
The shop should be able to
1) put a shorter axle on the hub
2) remove 5mm of spacers from the non-drive-side axle
3) re-dish the rim 2.5mm to the drive-side
And now you've got a proper 130mm-spaced rear wheel.
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Originally Posted by dzinehaus
if its that hard for you to live with just space it out, sheldon brown shows you how to do it yourself on his website
https://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html
https://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html
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I went back to REI, and they did right by me. They didn't have a comparable 130mm wheel, so the manager exchanged the 135mm wheel they sold me earlier for the wheel off a new Randonee on the floor. I'm very impressed with how they made a bad situation good. Great service!
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The OP got his problem solved but reducing a 135 mm wheel to 130 isn't that hard if you can do the work your self.
1. Disassemble the hub and remove 5 mm of spacers from the nds.
2. Cut 5 mm off of the axle. This is easy with a hacksaw. Leave one locknut on to clean up the threads after cutting.
3. Reassemble the hub.
4. redish the wheel which will only take about 1/2 turn on each drive side spoke nipple.
I've done this a couple of times when I needed a low cost rear wheel for my rain bike and the only reasonably priced 700c wheels were on MTB hubs intended for hybrid use.
1. Disassemble the hub and remove 5 mm of spacers from the nds.
2. Cut 5 mm off of the axle. This is easy with a hacksaw. Leave one locknut on to clean up the threads after cutting.
3. Reassemble the hub.
4. redish the wheel which will only take about 1/2 turn on each drive side spoke nipple.
I've done this a couple of times when I needed a low cost rear wheel for my rain bike and the only reasonably priced 700c wheels were on MTB hubs intended for hybrid use.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
The OP got his problem solved but reducing a 135 mm wheel to 130 isn't that hard if you can do the work your self.
1. Disassemble the hub and remove 5 mm of spacers from the nds.
2. Cut 5 mm off of the axle. This is easy with a hacksaw. Leave one locknut on to clean up the threads after cutting.
3. Reassemble the hub.
4. redish the wheel which will only take about 1/2 turn on each drive side spoke nipple.
I've done this a couple of times when I needed a low cost rear wheel for my rain bike and the only reasonably priced 700c wheels were on MTB hubs intended for hybrid use.
1. Disassemble the hub and remove 5 mm of spacers from the nds.
2. Cut 5 mm off of the axle. This is easy with a hacksaw. Leave one locknut on to clean up the threads after cutting.
3. Reassemble the hub.
4. redish the wheel which will only take about 1/2 turn on each drive side spoke nipple.
I've done this a couple of times when I needed a low cost rear wheel for my rain bike and the only reasonably priced 700c wheels were on MTB hubs intended for hybrid use.
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