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    Well, with limited experience and tools, I have successfully built up my own Surly Crosscheck, Reconstructed a 1970's Schwinn Twinn Deluxe, and the latest project, rebuilt and painted a 1974 Raleigh International. Now, the projects I have done to this point have required a fair bit of advice from this forum, park tools website, sheldon brown's website, and a repair manual that I own. I enjoy repairing bikes, but would definitely not say that I'm a pro.

    With all of that in mind, my soon-to-be father-in-law, who also owned the Raleigh, has a Puegeot from the 60's that has been hanging in his garage for the better half of its life. He claims it has not been ridden in over 20 years, which was also the case with the Raleigh. After seeing the work on the Raleigh, which he is now loaning to my brother while he decides on a road bike, he thinks I should try my hand on his prize bicycle, the Peugeot. Even in the un-ride-able lack-luster condition it is in, he looks at it and immediately reminisces about med school, the east coast etc...

    With such limited experience, do I dare touch the "apple of his eye" Peugeot? Or do I let it hang in the garage where it has been for the last 20 years.
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    Sounds like you have it goin' on.

    I say fix it. I doubt there's anything on that bike that will be overly suprising mechanicaly, and once you fix it up, the owner will be estatic, and you'll have another bike repair under your belt.

    Win win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgosse View Post
    With all of that in mind, my soon-to-be father-in-law, who also owned the Raleigh, has a Puegeot from the 60's that has been hanging in his garage for the better half of its life. He claims it has not been ridden in over 20 years, which was also the case with the Raleigh. After seeing the work on the Raleigh, which he is now loaning to my brother while he decides on a road bike, he thinks I should try my hand on his prize bicycle, the Peugeot. Even in the un-ride-able lack-luster condition it is in, he looks at it and immediately reminisces about med school, the east coast etc...

    With such limited experience, do I dare touch the "apple of his eye" Peugeot? Or do I let it hang in the garage where it has been for the last 20 years.
    Fixing things for a potential father-in-law is a risky business. You don't want to screw it up and look bad I personally like to live dangerous... I have fixed my girlfriend's dad's exercise bike which he rides every day, and his work computer. Fortunately, both times I succeeded totally.

    Since it's in non-working condition, and he's specifically urged you to take a shot at it, I'd go for it. Worst thing that happens is it STAYS in unrideable condition, right?

    The only thing that may be surprising about the Peugeot is the French-threaded bottom bracket. Also, the headset may be a weird size (check Sheldon Brown's site), and the cranks may be cottered (which makes them a HUGE pain to work on in my opinion).
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    I say go for it. Go slow and double-check yourself so you sleep well at night. Keep asking questions on here. I've noticed there are a few people that have worked on Peugeot's. If you find something that throws you for a loop someone will be able to help you. No sense in letting a good bike gather dust for another 20 years.

    How bad does it look?

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    You might want to ask him first.
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    The bike itself looks to be in about 6 or 7/10 condition if I estimate. It has enough surface rust to be suspicious of more serious rust, but the components are all there, and only lightly worn. It hasn't been cleaned in twenty years either, so the dirt that was on it back then, still hangs on it today. It's pretty rough around the edges. Mechanically, from what little I looked at, it would appear to just need to be completely torn down and re-greased. Wheels and pedals are not frozen, and the rear derailleur still swings when it is manually pushed. There's even significant life left in the brake pads.

    Thankfully I have a good relationship with the future in-laws, I guess I'm just a little tentative to tear into this one with it needing a significant amount of work, and me being possibly unable to finish the work.

    And possibly the larger question, with the Raleigh, we both agreed it needed a paint job. The job I did on that bike was the first time I had painted ANYTHING steel, and it turned out great with a rustoleum rattle-can job. I'm making people shudder with that on this forum, I know I am, but what about this frame. Is it worth significantly more left alone? I don't think he's looking to sell, but I'm interested in making the bike nice enough to make you WANT to ride the thing, not just look at. Remember, however, that the budget is limited as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgosse View Post
    And possibly the larger question, with the Raleigh, we both agreed it needed a paint job. The job I did on that bike was the first time I had painted ANYTHING steel, and it turned out great with a rustoleum rattle-can job.
    I've done the same! Clean, sand, spray 2 color coats (24 hours in between), spray 2 clear coats (24 hours in between). It did look great (it's now my girlfriend's bike), but the paint has worn out quite fast.... looks like a beat-up 10-year-old bike after only two years of heavy use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgosse View Post
    The bike itself looks to be in about 6 or 7/10 condition if I estimate. And possibly the larger question, with the Raleigh, we both agreed it needed a paint job. , but what about this frame. Is it worth significantly more left alone?
    I'd think that this is a bike to love for what it is. Clean it up? Certainly. Make it rideable? Certainly. Aside from that I'd try to keep it as original as possible and that includes the paint.

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    Fix it up. Don't paint it unless you are going to send it to Dr. Deltron or powdercoat.

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    Fixing things for a father in law can bring big rewards. My future father in law had a stock 40 Ford coupe that all his kids learned to drive in. It needed a new motor and clutch. We pulled the motor and sent it out for a rebuild. In one weekend we had it installed and almost ready to go. The next weekend I replaced all the wiring on the motor. It fired right up on one turn of the key. The guy has liked me ever since. bk

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgosse View Post
    Is it worth significantly more left alone? I don't think he's looking to sell, but I'm interested in making the bike nice enough to make you WANT to ride the thing, not just look at.
    That can't be determined from what you've given us. Post good pictures in C&V and let the francophiles tell you whether it is something special or just another bike boom relic.

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    Fix it (with permission). But don't let him watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgosse View Post
    Well, with limited experience and tools, I have successfully built up my own Surly Crosscheck, Reconstructed a 1970's Schwinn Twinn Deluxe, and the latest project, rebuilt and painted a 1974 Raleigh International. Now, the projects I have done to this point have required a fair bit of advice from this forum, park tools website, sheldon brown's website, and a repair manual that I own. I enjoy repairing bikes, but would definitely not say that I'm a pro.

    With all of that in mind, my soon-to-be father-in-law, who also owned the Raleigh, has a Puegeot from the 60's that has been hanging in his garage for the better half of its life. He claims it has not been ridden in over 20 years, which was also the case with the Raleigh. After seeing the work on the Raleigh, which he is now loaning to my brother while he decides on a road bike, he thinks I should try my hand on his prize bicycle, the Peugeot. Even in the un-ride-able lack-luster condition it is in, he looks at it and immediately reminisces about med school, the east coast etc...

    With such limited experience, do I dare touch the "apple of his eye" Peugeot? Or do I let it hang in the garage where it has been for the last 20 years.
    Try the Classic and Vintage forum. They will be able to put you in the right direction. Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMF View Post
    Fix it (with permission). But don't let him watch.

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    I've got a great story about my now-ex-father-in-law-once-removed (my brother's first wife's father). He drove to Texas to see his daughter in a lovingly maintained old Dodge, but complained that it seemed way down on power. "We can fix it." "Well I don't know. Are you sure?" He was an easy mark.

    We bought a kit, pulled the carb, and tore it apart on the kitchen counter while he paced. As you may know, those kits contain a bunch of parts that aren't needed for a particular carb. First thing, we crumpled and discarded the elaborate instruction sheet. "We don' need no steenken instructions!" Every now and then we'd take off an old part or pretend to trial-fit a new one and then we'd fling it over our shoulders. "It's gotta work better without that." The poor man was apoplectic and I thought he was gonna arrest.

    The next day with the rebuilt carb installed, though, he changed his tune. When he got home he called and said the car ran better than when he bought it new and it was worth the suffering he'd had to endure. Even sent a couple of gifts.

    Bet he wouldn't have enjoyed it as much if he hadn't been through the Valley of Despair first. Bet we wouldn't have enjoyed it as much if he'd had a temper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tellyho View Post
    Fix it up. Don't paint it unless you are going to send it to Dr. Deltron or powdercoat.
    Why, Thank You!!

    Here are some recent samples.

    (USAZorro, you may recognize that first one! Or has it been too long?)

    And to think, I started back in '74... using rattle cans!

    Even then, I looked at it like...if I have to take the whole bike apart to paint it, I want to do a really good job.
    THAT WAY, ...I don't have to worry about doing it AGAIN, for many, many years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Deltron View Post
    Why, Thank You!!

    Here are some recent samples.

    (USAZorro, you may recognize that first one! Or has it been too long?)

    And to think, I started back in '74... using rattle cans!

    Even then, I looked at it like...if I have to take the whole bike apart to paint it, I want to do a really good job.
    THAT WAY, ...I don't have to worry about doing it AGAIN, for many, many years!
    Think you'd be up for someone picking your brain? I've had that "did a great paintjob, but it died" issue before. I bought some good paint, but I'm looking for advice on how to apply it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    That can't be determined from what you've given us. Post good pictures in C&V and let the francophiles tell you whether it is something special or just another bike boom relic.
    Doesn't matter. Since he has kept it for so many years, the father-in-law-to-be obviously has an emotional attachment to this bike. That's why I said to love it for what it is and keep it as original as possible. The bike's objective or collector value doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    Doesn't matter. Since he has kept it for so many years, the father-in-law-to-be obviously has an emotional attachment to this bike. That's why I said to love it for what it is and keep it as original as possible. The bike's objective or collector value doesn't matter.
    Gee RG, that sounds kinda contradictory to me..

    I agree that the "collector value" doesn't really matter, so why keep it original?!?

    Lose the bloomin' drop bars and put some upwrong moto-bars on it.
    Rewire the whole bike with cool colored (matching or contrasting) cable housing.
    Put some big ol' FAT tires on it.
    Heck, add a triple crank if it doesn't already have one!

    Make it FUN to ride! The sentimental attachment part is just the bonus.

    Oh, and if Pops-in-law hasn't ridden in awhile, better find a big GEL saddle,
    at least for the first few miles anyway.

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    Oh no, no gel saddles for this pop-in-law, he rides on trails with his mtb. He may be 62, but he's a kid at heart with bikes, he just hasn't ridden road style for a while. I think I'll probably skip on the paint. It is a little bit of nostalgia that I'm willing to sacrafice a better looking bike for. As for pics, I've been trying to get my hands on a digital camera for a while, probably will have to wait for the wedding for that one though, money is tight. I guess I could snap a couple with my Yashica FX 3 manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Deltron View Post
    Gee RG, that sounds kinda contradictory to me..

    I agree that the "collector value" doesn't really matter, so why keep it original?!?
    Sometimes it's not about the money. I suspect this is one of those times.

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    Let's see, if working on the man's bike is a risk at, say, level five, where do we put the risk of death-do-us-part with the man's daugher?

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