What to to "NIB" Park Tool truing stand bought off eBay?
So I won the bid on this TS-2 truing stand for $125. Shipping was another $50, so I'm into this thing for $175. It was advertised on ebay as NIB by a seller with 99.8% positive feedback and 650 feedback responses. Below I have linked to pics I took of it within an hour of it arriving at my house and taking it out of the box. The pics are kind of large, so those of you with dial-up have been warned. The stand doesn't look used, but it seems that it was probably stored for a while in a damp environment. Unfortunately, many of the fasteners, joints, and rubbing parts are corroded/rusted. So, does it fit the definition of "New in Box" because it is "unused" and in the original box? Obviously it is not in "New" condition, but it is probably unused. I have contacted the seller and she deciding what to do about it. I have also sent her these pics, but she has yet to respond to them.
For those of you with more ebay experience than I: if she does not cooperate, can I perform a chargeback? What if I contact Paypal? Any insight you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7997/img4382dp2.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6756/img4383ni1.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1238/img4384vy1.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3353/img4385rq5.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5286/img4386ri8.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6203/img4387ax4.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6007/img4388rc8.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4504/img4389qn5.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2475/img4391zs8.jpg http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8307/img4392jd3.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7292/img4393gm8.jpg |
Originally Posted by change
(Post 5501386)
So I won the bid on this TS-2 truing stand for $125. Shipping was another $50, so I'm into this thing for $175. It was advertised on ebay as NIB by a seller with 99.8% positive feedback and 650 feedback responses. Below I have linked to pics I took of it within an hour of it arriving at my house and taking it out of the box. The pics are kind of large, so those of you with dial-up have been warned. The stand doesn't look used, but it seems that it was probably stored for a while in a damp environment. Unfortunately, many of the fasteners, joints, and rubbing parts are corroded/rusted. So, does it fit the definition of "New in Box" because it is "unused" and in the original box? Obviously it is not in "New" condition, but it is probably unused. I have contacted the seller and she deciding what to do about it. I have also sent her these pics, but she has yet to respond to them.
For those of you with more ebay experience than I: if she does not cooperate, can I perform a chargeback? What if I contact Paypal? Any insight you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7997/img4382dp2.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6756/img4383ni1.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1238/img4384vy1.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3353/img4385rq5.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5286/img4386ri8.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6203/img4387ax4.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6007/img4388rc8.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4504/img4389qn5.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2475/img4391zs8.jpg http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8307/img4392jd3.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7292/img4393gm8.jpg i suspect the seller will make it right tho :eek:. ed rader |
I don't see anything that is more than cosmetic damage. IOW, it should perform flawlessly just like a new one. But there are cosmetic defects and this should have been noted in the auction. Contact the seller and nicely ask him what he will do to work with you.
Best case senario, you get a kick ass truing stand for even less money. Worst, case if he digs in......................welcome to ebay. It's a risk. You can give him negative feedback but he will zap you with the same. Neither of you win. Again, it's a calculated risk of doing business on ebay. |
Originally Posted by change
(Post 5501386)
So I won the bid on this TS-2 truing stand for $125. Shipping was another $50, so I'm into this thing for $175. It was advertised on ebay as NIB by a seller with 99.8% positive feedback and 650 feedback responses. Below I have linked to pics I took of it within an hour of it arriving at my house and taking it out of the box. The pics are kind of large, so those of you with dial-up have been warned. The stand doesn't look used, but it seems that it was probably stored for a while in a damp environment. Unfortunately, many of the fasteners, joints, and rubbing parts are corroded/rusted. So, does it fit the definition of "New in Box" because it is "unused" and in the original box? Obviously it is not in "New" condition, but it is probably unused. I have contacted the seller and she deciding what to do about it. I have also sent her these pics, but she has yet to respond to them.
For those of you with more ebay experience than I: if she does not cooperate, can I perform a chargeback? What if I contact Paypal? Any insight you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! I am going through a somewhat similar situation. I saw something too late to ask detailed questions and I got burned. It will be a $10 lesson for me :). I prefer the knowledgable sellers over the powersellers with an index of widget prices. I have gotten more accurate representations of the items that way. Good luck with it. I hope in a year or two you'll forget about the hassle and enjoy a great wheelbuilding stand. |
- wow... could have bought a new TS-2 from Lickbike for $164 + shipping, nashbar for $161 + 10% off, or aebike for $165...
- man, i'd be really disappointed... EDIT: i see the previous poster has noted Lickbike... if it's any help, take comfort in sharing a valuable (and possibly expensive) lesson... (i stopped using eBay years ago) |
Flood salvage?
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Originally Posted by CHenry
(Post 5501612)
Flood salvage?
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Look. You got a bad deal. A lot of it is your own fault. Try and make the most of it, by getting some of your money back for "damage." YOu know...the whole lemonade out of lemons deal?
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Ebay = A pig in a poke.
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Originally Posted by Wordbiker
(Post 5501727)
Ebay = A pig in a poke.
So calling it a "pig in a poke" is probably not appropriate in this case. |
Originally Posted by change
(Post 5501386)
The pics are kind of large, so those of you with dial-up have been warned.
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Originally Posted by linux_author
(Post 5501572)
- wow... could have bought a new TS-2 from Lickbike for $164 + shipping, nashbar for $161 + 10% off, or aebike for $165...
- man, i'd be really disappointed... EDIT: i see the previous poster has noted Lickbike... if it's any help, take comfort in sharing a valuable (and possibly expensive) lesson... (i stopped using eBay years ago) |
Originally Posted by Portis
(Post 5501740)
In the worst cases. This case has the additional feature of a bad price to start with. The normal lure of ebay is getting a better price than elsewhere. That didn't even happen here.
So calling it a "pig in a poke" is probably not appropriate in this case. Anyway, Ebay good for used items, but you are taking a huge risk, no doubt. |
Originally Posted by change
(Post 5501758)
I live in Hawaii, guys, and all the companies you mentioned LOVE to add on extra charges for sending something to HI&AK. No such thing as surface shipping to Hawaii. From any of the businesses you listed, the price including shipping would have been easily over $200. So I tried to save $25 bucks by going through ebay - and I ended up getting bit. Other than this one, I've had nothing but good experiences buying the dozen or so items I've bought off ebay recently. This was intended to be a discussion about the stand, ebay, and what my options are from here. Lay off on the "you got SSSSSSOOOOOOOOO ripped off!" BS.
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Originally Posted by change
(Post 5501758)
I live in Hawaii, guys, and all the companies you mentioned LOVE to add on extra charges for sending something to HI&AK. No such thing as surface shipping to Hawaii. From any of the businesses you listed, the price including shipping would have been easily over $200. So I tried to save $25 bucks by going through ebay - and I ended up getting bit. Other than this one, I've had nothing but good experiences buying the dozen or so items I've bought off ebay recently. This was intended to be a discussion about the stand, ebay, and what my options are from here. Lay off on the "you got SSSSSSOOOOOOOOO ripped off!" BS.
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Originally Posted by change
(Post 5501758)
I live in Hawaii, guys, and all the companies you mentioned LOVE to add on extra charges for sending something to HI&AK. No such thing as surface shipping to Hawaii. From any of the businesses you listed, the price including shipping would have been easily over $200. So I tried to save $25 bucks by going through ebay - and I ended up getting bit. Other than this one, I've had nothing but good experiences buying the dozen or so items I've bought off ebay recently. This was intended to be a discussion about the stand, ebay, and what my options are from here. Lay off on the "you got SSSSSSOOOOOOOOO ripped off!" BS.
I did look up the postal rates for DC to Hawaii, 10lbs. and this is what I got: Mailing Services Speed Price Express MailŪ Overnight to most areas $45.25 Priority MailŪ 3 days 25.05 Priority MailŪ Flat Rate Box 3 days 8.95 Parcel PostŪ Unable to determine 16.17 Media MailŪ Unable to determine 5.19 I am not arguing the realities of the shipping, just reprinting quoted rates. The corrosion does not appear that bad, at least it does not look like it will affect the functionality if you get it cleaned, lubed and used a bit. Write back with the resolution, even if you decide to do nothing. |
I think a refund of $25 would be appropriate for the corrosion (ask for $50). Take the stand apart and clean and lube it and use it. Shipping this back to the seller would be a total hassle (just thinking personally here). I refunded a buyer $100 on a $600 frame because of unnoticed paint chips on my part.
And yes, all the ribbing you're getting for what you paid for shipping is unnecessary. Scott |
Originally Posted by spinbackle
(Post 5502626)
I think a refund of $25 would be appropriate for the corrosion (ask for $50). Take the stand apart and clean and lube it and use it. Shipping this back to the seller would be a total hassle (just thinking personally here). I refunded a buyer $100 on a $600 frame because of unnoticed paint chips on my part.
And yes, all the ribbing you're getting for what you paid for shipping is unnecessary. Scott |
Ignore all the second guessing and judgmental BS that doesn't answer your question. In my experience, your best bet, as others have mentioned, is to simply contact the seller and see what they'll do. If you can come to a decent understanding that makes sense for both involved, great. If not, re-read the ebay and paypal fine print, understand the extent of your recourse, and then decide if the amount of money involved is worth the hassle and potential ding your feedback could take. So far I've been on both ends of a bad transaction(some my fault, some not), and my feedback is intact and I haven't lost any money...thanks to simple, non-emotional communication. There's a decent chance you'll be able to work something out. Good luck!
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A little clean-up and TLC and the corrosion will be a thing of the past.
BTW, I agree with the others that suggest that you have the seller refund you some $$ for not inspecting/disclosing the rusty bits, but I wouldn't go through the hassle of packing it up and shipping it back. |
Originally Posted by Barneco
(Post 5503058)
Ignore all the second guessing and judgmental BS that doesn't answer your question. In my experience, your best bet, as others have mentioned, is to simply contact the seller and see what they'll do. If you can come to a decent understanding that makes sense for both involved, great. If not, re-read the ebay and paypal fine print, understand the extent of your recourse, and then decide if the amount of money involved is worth the hassle and potential ding your feedback could take. So far I've been on both ends of a bad transaction(some my fault, some not), and my feedback is intact and I haven't lost any money...thanks to simple, non-emotional communication. There's a decent chance you'll be able to work something out. Good luck!
Worst cast you can clean up the stand and use it. It is a great stand. I have one and have built up many wheels on that stand. I haven't had a problem deal on eBay that wasn't resolved amicably. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by Deanster04
(Post 5503275)
I agree with this person 100% Just contact the seller. Send the pics and ask for your money back. Paypal and/or eBay have ways of settling conflicts. Were there any pics of the stand in the auction? Always ask for photos if you are serious about a purchase on eBay. Most sellers (and buyers) are honest and the person may never have really looked at the stand.
Worst cast you can clean up the stand and use it. It is a great stand. I have one and have built up many wheels on that stand. I haven't had a problem deal on eBay that wasn't resolved amicably. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by change
(Post 5504076)
Yes, there were two photos of the stand in the ebay ad. They were not of nearly the same quality and closeness of the ones I took, of course. In the photos none of the rust was visible.
BTW, I used to live in Hawaii (Kona). If you've been there any amount of time, you already know that this stand will get that much rust in a year or two, anyway. Keep up as best you can with WD40 or whatever. |
Link to auction?
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File a claim through ebay that is was "not as described." I've done this before. Then file though paypal. If you win, they will refund part or all of your money. Paypal generally keeps some of the money to cover there hassle. I filed a claim on a 1K bike that came with different parts than listed. Paypal kept $25 of my refund. But, I got several 100 refunded to me.
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